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CP's news items rarely make popular WIGOs

Just something I want to point out for everyone's interest. Often, a news item appears and CP weighs in with its ridiculous opinion or distortion of the facts. I can see it must be tempting to wigo them but these conservaloony reactions are to be expected, and so the wigos usually turn out to be a bit of a bore, probably because they don't really involve any CP drama (summary: wigo links CP's reaction, then links off-site news sources to show why reaction is stupid. The wigo is effectively nothing more than a debunking). Usually it's Terry Koeckritz being deliberately asinine. As a result the votes tend to either stay low or go negative. Come to think of it, it's probably just Terry Koeckritz's postings that are dull. Whenever Ken or the assfly approach the main page, lulz is inevitable.

Addendum: I have no idea what I'm trying to accomplish with this post. 194.6.79.200 14:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

As a crusader for quality WIGOs, I endorse this post. Z3ro^talk 14:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

"194.6.79.200" (your chosen name is obviously unacceptable), your ranting is getting out of control. I've responded to your concerns and answered your questions and you seem to believe that the Romans had the concept of "truth", so admit it, you're trying to hurt this project. Like all liberals, you deny that the Bush doctrine reduces breast cancer. Whatever the mainstream media might say, Fred Phelps is a liberal and a Democrat. I just went to Wikipedia and typed in the silliest term I could think of: "duh". And what do you know: Wikipedia has an equally silly entry for it! I'm going to enter that Wikipedia's insight into our Wikipedia entry now. I urge you to open your mind and set it free. You'll be amazed by how much better your life becomes as a result.--Andy Schlafly 09:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I approve of Bunchanumber's message. DogP 15:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

This is making me think.... has anyone considered burning a sock to insert random assquotes on CP talk pages? -Lardashe

I get librul commie progressive humanist chills just thinking about it! Jimaginator 17:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Makes me wonder how many people would agrue with the assquote, rather than realize it isn't real. Z3ro^talk 17:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean "not real"? I assumed Andru was already using an Eliza-like bot. Surely he couldn't make all those great edits and still have time to sleep could he? Jimaginator 17:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

You have to remember his only job is warping the minds of young children, and he only does that a few hours a day, leaving plenty of time for making up insanity. Z3ro^talk 17:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I was more thinking that Andy was parry rather than eliza. --Shagie 17:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Parry makes more sense! I mean, Parry makes less sense and therefore makes more sense in this situation! Jimaginator 18:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

News-item WIGOs are not necessarily poor-quality; a large number of mine have gone above 20, a few above 40. There is one news item WIGO on the page that is at 54 ("Ken discovers ONE person...") and another at 69 ("PRO-TEST!"). ListenerX^TalkerX 19:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The fucker finally got around to it.

"TK ... deleted "User:Human" ‎ (User/Talkpage of infinitely blocked user and/or vandal: 'Crat at known vandal site)" [1]

"16:17, 9 May 2009 TK ... deleted "User talk:Human" ‎ (User/Talkpage of infinitely blocked user and/or vandal: 19:08, 18 June 2008 Ymmotrojam (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "User talk:Human)" [2]

Strangely, I am not "infinitely blocked" you idiot. [3] I'm due back in about a month... For someone who complains endlessly about "wiping out history", you're sure good at it yourself. Jackass. ħuman 04:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

--

But it says you're blocked for infinity, am I missing something?

-RW/CP lurker and fan

He is blocked for six months; see here. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I pooched the third link to my blocks on CP. Sadly, I did not save my "contribs" list (hundreds of articles) from my user page. Any sysops on Cp want to dig them out and email the source wikicode to me? Is there anyone sane left over there? Did they de-sysop PJR (he rescuscitated my user page after some jerk deleted it once before...)? ħuman 05:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

You mean this, this, and that? Quick, someone go creep the pages. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 05:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Human, I can only imagine that TK is bored, what with his mission accomplished, and is just trying to get a rise out of you. Nothing else can explain the timing- it's not as if you just started getting active on RW. Corry 06:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, good point, Corry. Yeah, I think he actually ran out of things to destroy on CP, and ran across my undeleted user/talk pages. We ought to help the incompetent twerp out and tell him whatever else he hasn't memory-holed so he can finish his work. I don't give a shit really, except I forgot to copy the wiki-code of all the articles I created over there. Stuff like Fourth of July, Pledge of Allegiance, American flag... ħuman 07:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your help in resurrecting what the Twerp Kid deleted. It was odd that I noticed the red links in the upper right hand corner so soon after he axed them. I'll make copies for here in my copious spare time! ħuman 07:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

And he has done it - after all, being blocked is a blockable offense:

• 06:34, 10 May 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) changed block settings for Human (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked) ‎ (Abusing multiple accounts: Found socks for this blocked user, all editing from the exact same IP, not located in the Northeast, also bureaucrat at known vandal site and 12 prior blocks.)

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

That was only 15 hours later nice to see he is such an avid reader. Hi TK, how's your mum? - π 10:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ooh - he's getting cocky. It was Brother Leader who dished out the original 6 month block, and now TK stomps all over it. No doubt the wires are humming as TK covers his mangy ass. How long until Jess gets blocked for "inactivity" I wonder?--PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think that this will lead to any major mail traffic. It'll be more along the lines of "Human is a Rat Terrorist who had thousands of socks. You surely don't want a rat 'crat causing trouble on your site..." if anything. Andy only cares about blocks of his pet sysops and homeschoolers, plus maybe the occasional suck-up. --Sid 11:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

"Found socks for this blocked user, all editing from the exact same IP, not located in the Northeast" The lies are always the amusing part. ħuman 01:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Rocket Man

Andy's been harping on NASA and Teflon lately, making remarks about how no real inventions came out of the government space program. Does he think the space program has been a big waste, I wonder? Or maybe he thinks that liberals faked the moon landing, like they fake black holes. Corry 06:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I thought he thought NASA invented polytetrafluoroethylene? He's confused and doesn't know what side to take now on the issue? ħuman 07:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

It's just the near impossibilty of an Andy retraction. He's infallible so any backdown compromises his whole myth. _and marmite 07:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought Andy liked ICBMs. I'm sure all his masturbatory fantasies involve reducing commies and liberals to radioactive ash. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 08:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this a prelude to Aschlafly undermining NASA because, you know, all that stuff they keep finding that kinda doesn't support YEC? I wonder how many YEC scientists and engineers work for NASA? And remember, von Braun was a Nazi! Ajkgordon 08:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Probably. The only thing worse than the government spending money is the government spending money on science.--WJThomas 11:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I was kinda annoyed with his whole "nothing good has ever come out of the space program." Hell, the ppopularity and wide availability of TANG is enough to cover the entire NASA budget throughout history. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 18:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Tang, like Teflon, did not actually come out of the space program. --Marty 04:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

wigo stats

wigo scores

Conservapedia:Best of Conservapedia shows all the wigos since voting was introduced in July/August 2008. It allows for ordering the wigos by the score they reached, i.e. the difference of positive and negative votes. DogP and ħuman were somewhat unsatisfied by the results, as there seem to be some grade inflation over the time which puts older wigos at a disadvantage. When I was asked to take a look at this, I proposed a couple of [:File:Wigo-weighted.png|weightings]] which allow for addressing the effect. The result of this simple exercise in basic stats can be found in this table.

histograms of votes and scores

But my interest in the stats of the wigos was sparked, and as nothing much happened at Conservapedia anymore, I dived in the wigo site which is perhaps the most visited on RW. Countless edits are made at it (of course, not literally countless: in fact, 6725 revisions from Jul 17, 2008 until May 8, 2009, resulting in ca. 1800 wigos). Since introducing the voting tool ( a fantastic devise, BTW, thanks!), more than 170 editors have tried to come up with a clever wigo, and some 45,000 votes were cast until Apr 2009: an average of ~31 votes per item, leading to an average score of 20.

scores vs. votes

And the community know what it likes best: There is no much fight about single wigos, great ones are unanimously hailed, while stinkers are usually only appreciated by a very few...

But who are those who try to come up with new wigos? Here is a list of those editors who contributed most of the entries. It is a little bit unfair, as it doesn't reflect the work of those, who tweaked the wigos into perfection - or made them at least eligible. Thank all of you for your great contributions!

# 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15

editor initiated wigos mean score mean votes max. score min. score Sid 155 20.32 24.24 81 -6 ListenerX 139 12.15 25.19 55 -34 Kels 108 16.01 21 118 -17 Jammy 96 19.03 27.63 72 -24 Irrationalatheist 88 13.06 23.87 92 -29 Psygremlin 58 19.91 28.85 105 -24 Ace McWicked 55 29.56 36.33 83 -25 SirChuckB 45 14.84 23.61 51 -15 Caius 43 16.93 23.12 50 -7 LArron 43 26.73 30.34 100 3 Norseman 40 24.6 27.65 78 2 Π 35 15.76 22.85 53 -13 MDB 35 26.66 33.62 80 -13 AP 30 10.34 23.86 42 -18 TheoryOfPractice 29 27.41 30.24 98 5

(complete table) larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

How did you determine who created the wigo? I don't feel like I have made more than 10, I however have had to renumber a few in my time. - π 10:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to put in a disclaimer: At the moment, I checked for the revision of the first occurrence of the number of a wigo, and he who made the revision owns the wigo. That's imperfect of course: those who erroneously put in a wigo number which is (much) to high, will get credit if the wigo returns afterward. And renumbering of wigos has a similar effect. So, take the table cum grano salis... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

(EC) He probably counted WIGO RWW too --  Nx/talk  10:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Methodology: I looked up the revisions of Conservapedia:What is going on at CP?, i.e., pages like this one: (sample query). Then, I extracted the <wigo poll=xxxx> tags and went on from there. What's WIGO RWW? I don't think I run into it... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 11:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Only the best wigo on the site . It is about looking at the wiki, looking at us looking at Conservapedia sulking about Wikipedia. - π 11:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

(EC) Fun:RationalWikiWikiWiki. I have two wigos under my name, I thought they were from WIGO RWW, but they're probably renumberings then. --  Nx/talk  11:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

LArron, you're a genius! I'm liking my stats: EddyP 17 28.25 35.75 127 -13 . EddyP 12:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

WIN FOR THEEMPEROR I have the highest mean score! The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 16:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I'm the big loser out of the frequent WiGOers. --Kels 16:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

No you don't Emperor - Highest Mean Score is Ace, who walks the contest with a massive 29 Kiwi Winner points. Nice job Larron and everyone! DogP 16:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Epic fail- Ace's score is 29.56, while mine is 93, three times higher. Look at the Complete list. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 16:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Epic phail on you - yours is based on what sample size? Oh, right, one. Yowsa! DogP 16:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

So? If, when one decides to begin playing chess, and faces a 2400 ELO grandmaster and wins on time control, then you still have a ELO of 2800, even based on one game. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 17:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Call me rational, but I'd consider Ace's 55 WIGO's with a score average of 29ish to be a proven track record in showing out the lulz. Outliers like your single entry are just that - a single freak result. LArron's 43 WIGO's also maintained a score average of 26ish, which is also pretty badass - AND he has not one negative score, unlike Ace. So I ask you - if Ace posted a WIGO, and you posted a WIGO, which would be more likely to entertain me? I rest my case. DogP 21:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The lesson to be taken from this is that Ace is a damn funny fuck and a wonderful person to have around when in need of some good ol' fashioned belly-laughs. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 22:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I lack in the lulz! One of the lowest mean scores on the table. --Irrational Atheist 23:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I find it amusing that almost 1/4 of the initiators are BONs. ħuman 01:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Axioms vs. Postulates

The polymath Aschlafly on relativity:

Relativity is a mathematical system built on untestable hypotheses. By relying on assumptions about nature rather than observations, the theories of relativity violate Isaac Newton's rule against the use of hypotheses: "Hypotheses non fingo" ("I feign no hypotheses)". Relativity also rejects -- without any experimental evidence -- Newton's action at a distance, which is basic to Newtonian gravity and quantum mechanics.

What's the difference between Einstein's postulates and Newton's axioms in being the fundamentals of a theory? larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 12:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Newton's action at a distance? "I don't know why gravity works but it does"? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but it's not a rule and as far as I can tell it wasn't stated as a rule nor does anybody think of it as one. Taking the statement to its logical conclusion, any scientific theory is discredited if it was deduced from an hypothesis (like, umm, thermodynamics) regardless of whether it is later experimentally confirmed. Andy is just gasping at straws. Flare^Talk 13:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Huh? Gasping at straws? What's the point of that? --Just passing by 14:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Argh, I knew something didn't look right. Flare^Talk 14:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

What fun, Andy's hard-on for action-at-a-distance returns! Anything that opposes relativity in his eyes is totally awesome to him. Just google for the term and you will be swamped by instances of Andy holding it up. --Sid 14:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

What utter bull. That is in no way, shape, or fashion Newton's "rule against hypotheses". It was a comment he made in the General Scholium which left the causation of gravity to God/whatever you want. He applied the word to what we could call "speculation," not scientific hypotheses or axioms. Andy is a shit. 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

It really ticks me off when Fundies mix a bunch of ideas that they very vaguely understand together to make an incoherent critique. So he's heard about how we must make testable hypotheses, so chuck that into the pot - ooh, and also we shouldn't make assumptions, and hypotheses are a bit like assumptions (?) so that goes in too. We need experimental evidence, so that's ingredient 3, and you know what, maybe we should just forget about the necessity for testable hypotheses and just throw in a bit of "make no hypotheses whatsoever" to sugar it over. Oh yeah, and for a topping science should be based on observation, not mathematical systems - so Quantum mechanics is a lot more like science than relativity. It all makes for a pretty nauseating brew, and I'm getting (mentally)ill from Andy's forcefeeding. Bil08 17:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

That sounds remarkably like what's going on over here, doesn't it? --Kels 17:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Tee hee!:

“”Several theories have been developed as ways of denying action at a distance. These include: gravitons string theory quantum field theory

—[4]

_and marmite 18:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing that Andy likes action at a distance because it allows him to imagine it's God holding the universe together (reminds of an infamous Chick Tract), an idea that Newton dismissed. I'm scratching my head thinking of what it was that Newton said in his dismissal, but whatever it was I hope it makes Andy's rant all the more ironic and stupid. Bil08 19:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

First it's evolution and now gravity? Wow, Richard Dawkins isn't kidding when he coined the term "Intelligent falling" (I wonder when Stork theory of reproduction is next... Oh yeah, when they can disprove the Sex theory by virgin birth). Jump! the falling motion is also action-at-a-distance! By the way, at most one can quantify F=Ma as an axiom (define/quantify force); the other are "validated hypotheses" [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 20:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Did someone mention the Stork theory? Don't you mean intelligent delivery? Totnesmartin 20:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Didn't the word "hypothesis" have an altogether different meaning in Newton's time anyway? Junggai 20:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Probably, as some yet-to-be-validated guesses. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 20:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Fucking hell my brain explodes when Andy does "science". So many flaws I cant even type them. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 20:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Teh brutha (Roger?) usually comes in to put him right. _and marmite 20:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Movement Conservatives

(how the hell do I get an EC when I hit "+"?) I totally love this: "Movement conservatives are those who accept the logic of conservatism across-the-board, and stand up for its powerful principles despite liberal hatred and baseless ridicule. Movement conservative thinkers include:" ...my mom and some ideologue who agrees with her. Remember all the speculation and mockery we did that Andy believes that the only good conservative is one who agrees with him on every issue? There it is, from the manchild himself. +1, would mock again. --Kels 15:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh! I read this before the WIGO & thought that Kels was claiming her mother as a Mov Con. Like the little: __TOC__ <!--Do not remove this. We want to keep the insights on the first screen of viewing-->. _and marmite 17:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

That's even funnier when you consider his "insights" cover more than a full screen for most people. --Kels 17:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a truly beautiful WIGO. I also like that conservatives aren't against same-sex marriage anymore, only against same-same. And of course the most important aspect of conservatives is their insistence on CLASS ROOM PRAYER, even though Schlafly is the only one I ever heard whine about that. --GTac 15:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

*bows* Thank you, thank you. Je suis ici tout le week. EddyP 16:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I've heard religious conservatives bitch about school prayer, but it's more teacher-led prayer to open the school day, not mandatory prayer at the beginning of every class. Of course, Andy probably thinks real teachers are like him, and only teach one class a week with a half-hour prep time. --Kels 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

My very favourite part is that conservatives the world over are all in favour of the second amendment. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 15:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I also love the junk science part. If I weren't as honest as I am, I'd vote twice for this WIGO item. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 16:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I had a conservative movement this morning. 86.20.32.48 16:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

A bit was missed out of the Reagan caption, It should read: Ronald Reagan, the 40th President of the United States, is the epitome of American conservatism as he was suffering from the early effects of Alzheimer's disease. ^{[my emph]} _and marmite 17:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan did NOT have "Alzheimer's disease". His seemingly erratic behavior was simply due to God calling His mighty soul to Heaven before his body could die. --Gulik 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Are we talking about... this Reagan? Javasca₧ current location: by the spontaneous baby-sitter 19:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Language of Jesus

Question: by implication, does the word "articulate" not necessarily require that the audience for whom one is articulating, *understand* the language of teh speaker? And is that not why one more carefully articulates, when his or her audience fails in understanding? "Your statement is not persuasive. One might expect Jesus to teach in the language that best articulated the concepts, for example. For hundreds of years the Bible was read in Latin, even though that was not the language that many readers "best understood."--Andy Schlafly 23:25, 8 May 2009 (EDT) " jesus is, according to the bible, speakign to every man. You can't teach God's words to 'everyman' if you are speaking on language, and they, another. Does andy really think that a language somehow transcends teh message????????--En attendant Godot_{"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov»} 18:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Telepathy, Like the novel Chrysalis? Maybe slap in an illusion that the people are hearing Jesus saying something (doesn't matter what it is, the idea is conveyed through telepathy, just like Prophet Muhammad) [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 20:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

You see, we've been getting dumber since the fall. They had antediluvian cloning laboratories, so it isn't a stretch to have pre-Christ universal translators. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Andy has the ability to interpret Tongues. Pssst, Terry Koeckritz: "ba balahai n'hailoku ra n'morakunu teh assflea", pass it on. Jorge _{noes teh maths} 22:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Am I missing something?

What does the mother's day thing have to do with lesbians? |||| (wtf, no tildes on this keyboard)^{— Unsigned, by: 86.163.254.19 / talk / contribs}

If your mom is a lesbian, maybe? (also, you can always hit the "signature" button at the top of the edit window). --Kels 00:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Lesbians have mothers too! _and marmite 00:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The news-bite insists that a person can have only one mother. There is a frequently-challenged picture book entitled Heather Has Two Mommies. The conclusion proceeds from there in a fairly straightforward fashion. ListenerX^TalkerX 00:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, so it's a lame extrapolation of Andy using an old saying. Gotcha, glad I voted. --Kels 00:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It was Jpatt, actually. ListenerX^TalkerX 00:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I also have two mums: my mom and my stepmom, yet somehow I am not offended. Jorge _{Radix Malorum Est Superbia} 00:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"One and only Moms", am I the only one who thinks that could have been worded better?--Nate River 00:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Google brings up about 1300 hits for "One and only Mom", and another 17,000 for "One and only Mother", so it's not like it's a phrase that he made up. And I don't see a lot of them using it to bash lesbians, strangely enough. --Kels 00:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I know it sucks, but I haven't been doing well recently (of course, I don't usually add much), anyway, sorry again, for the whole sucking thing. My point was that he seemed to be pointing out that you can only have one mom, of course it probably could just be that he is pointing out how special a mother is, but knowing andy, I automatically went for the greater of two evils. And I probably got it wrong. Fine, I will admit it, I didn't take my medication today and can't concentrate, you happy now? --Passerby25 02:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, although that has more to do with the nice blue Shropshire I just had with cracked pepper water crackers and some nice Dan Ackroyd merlot than anything you did. --Kels 02:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"One and only moms". Sad to see that wigo go down, perhaps that item deserves another one. For mangled illiteracy. ħuman 03:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Step mother (Or the one before that) somehow doesn't count. Somehow I find that to be attacking the "Family values" they are promoting themselves. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 03:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think anyone at CP is creative enough to have intended that phrasing as a subtle dig at non-traditional families. They're not that bright. I think it just meant "there's no one like my Mother". MDB 11:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. And if there's anyone who really loves his mommy, it's Oedipus Andy. And Jpatt just loves sucking up to him. --Kels 14:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Old (very), but I've only just noticed it

On the Math course BHarlan said (9th March 09):

• Please do not keep asking here. You have asked three times now! I am sure I am not the only one who is developing some of this material off-wiki, to send to Aschlafly for consideration.
• If anyone is interested, I might upload it as well. ^{[my emphasis}]

I'm interested, let's see it! ^{(Apologies if this was brought up earlier)} _and marmite 00:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen!

Hi Ken, I did as you suggested and called my mother and told her that some crazy internet creationist kook has begun some kind of operation which he thinks will destroy evolution on the internet or something. I even emailed her the link. I am afraid, however, that she didn't really care and thinks you are child by way of looking at your writing style. So yeah, you failed again. As you were. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 00:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I see Operation Christ-Let's-Just-Give-Him-a-Link-So-He'll-STFU is going well. --Kels 00:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I told my mum and she said "stop harassing him, he probably has some kind of learning disability which effects his social skills, don't you have anything better to do". I got her Dreams from my father for Mother's Day, she liked that better. - π 01:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw a guy today who fit my mental image of Ken perfectly. Wearing a shirt that said "I Did Not Evolve" with overall mismatched clothes, huge coke-bottle glasses, crazy wiry hair, and was mumbling to himself. ENorman 01:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

So as I drove downtown today, I saw a truck that said in HUGE LETTERS

JESUS IS LORD, NOT A SWEAR WORD. YOU CAN ONLY BE SAVED IN HIS NAME

I took a picture, I'll try to upload it some time. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 01:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen! A leading creationist website now realizes the importance of having a hard-hitting anti-atheism article - no, wait, two leading creationist websites now realizes the importance of having a hard-hitting anti-atheism article. Eh - hang on,sorry, three leading creationist website now realizes the importance of having a FLAGSHIP hard-hitting anti-atheism article! Incredible! Or something! (Main Page, look away, the stupid it hurts). DogP 02:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah we now have the tyre picture. Hey Ken increase it by 1 pixel every hour for us. DANCE LITTLE MAN! DANCE!! - π 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reading Ken.[5]. You're a fucking idiot btw. DogP 03:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I loaded the main page earlier on the way to getting the link to my deleted user page, and was struck by the stupid, in both the Mother's Day item and Ken's utterly weird, typically repetitive post. He's just playing what he thinks are SEO tricks, I think. ħuman 03:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hint: Google "flagship anti-atheism article" in a day or two. ħuman 03:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if one of these creation organisation which suddenly realised they need a hard hitting anti-atheist article is called Windmill Ministries. Again with the mutual masturbation reciprocal linking Ken, you do know that shit doesn't impress a search engine starting with G for more than a few hours until the bots find it? - π 04:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice job with the reciprocal linking Ken, I just used a certain search engine (AU) starting with G to search for a topic starting with E and you have dropped from your usual 14 to 17! Can't you see you are wasting your time, they know what you are doing and a team of people smarter than you work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week improving the algorithm used to stop your shit. - π 04:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Just one more edit needed there Ken - you've got "old" and "ole'", you don't need both. DogP 04:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You are back from 11 to 14 on the US as well. A few more operations and you should be back on the third page. - π 04:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It's OK, he's equivocating about it already. I'm glad you understand you're backing a loser Ken. DogP 04:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Every month for about a year now he's been promising us that real soon now his fantastic evolution article will be on the front page of google. The only thing that has happened recently is that it has fallen from 13 to 15. He's like those Christians who predict the rapture every damn year, and don't seem deterred when they're constantly wrong. Give it up, Ken, your operations are pure fantasy and you yourself are a pathetic failure. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 06:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone actually seen Ken's mention at Windmill Ministries? It comprises a single link 35 entries down in a list that is prefaced with "We do not necessary [sic] endorse the content of the following websites". Was this operation Grass Jackboots and Sancho Panzers in which a hard-hitting windmill-tilting anti-atheism article would be quietly buried away in a backwater that no-one hardly ever visits? Ole! Ole! Ole! Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 17:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ken's contributions

What does Ken actually contribute? Looking at his last 50 contributions we have; a few minor tweaks to the Darwin article, a response to a parodist and the mass removal of conversation from a talk page. The rest is either his edit to the Gentleman phone message, the comments on the mainpage that would confuse any new visitors to the site and the article he created on the group he is obviously reciprocal linking with. What has he contributed to other than the inflation of his own ego? - π 04:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What has he ever done anywhere that wasn't inflation of his own ego? That covers every edit he's ever done on CP, and every message board posting before that. --Kels 04:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

When you've no actual achievements, all you can do is blow your own trumpet.^{(apologies for any unfortunate images that conjures up)} It's the same for Andy & Ed- it's the reason for the whole site. _and marmite 07:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"WRONG! WRONG WRONG!

Kens lastest rantings are pure Genius. Do we have a screenshot of this yet? Its Ken at his finest. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 08:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gone in 60 seconds - it looks like he didn't want us to actually read it because it was so bad! Silver Sloth 08:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

So sad there goes half his contributions for today. Did anyone get it? I have been taunting him all day, I am hoping I caused his head to explode. - π 09:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I got it but only on a word document. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 09:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Lets have it anyway. - π 10:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Export as text & copy it up here. _and marmite 11:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

At work but I'll try upload it when I get home. It was pretty funny. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 20:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

A note on the Newtonian concept/Conservative word WIGO

Just a note that action at a distance has NOT been debunked by anyone, Einstein included, and is, as shown through Quantum Entanglement, a very real and "spooky" phenomenon. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 00:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought that Einstein had to modify Newton's idea that gravity acted instantly without regard to distance. ListenerX^TalkerX 00:53, 11 May 2009(UTC)

What i am getting at is that while that action at a distance does not work with relativity it does however hold true under Quantum Mechanics and has been observed. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 00:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't Andy due a slapdown from Brother Roger the Eater? _and marmite 00:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Andy is really on a tear today: New article action at a distance, which seems to set a record for amount of scientific ignorance per sentence, along with edits to relativity, and new "conservative words" action at a distance and non-locality. His ignorance is staggering! (Well, staggering for a normal person; in his case it's just the usual.) In the reference that he cited for Newton in 1693, the issue was whether gravity acted across a vacuum, not whether it acted instantaneously. And electrostatics acts instantly? Andy! Get a grip! Gauss 01:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Brain, hurts. I know Andy has any idea what he is talking about. Newton coined the phrase "action at a distance" because he could not explain how the force acted on the object. Until that point they had always thought of force as something applied by contact to the object, whereas one mass can apply a force to another mass, through the mass alone or as we call it gravity. Also both gravity and electrostatics occur at the speed of light, I am sure this has been measured. - π 01:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Didn't I also see Andy conflating "action at a distance" with "instantaneous action at a distance"? ħuman 19:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Action at a distance is indeed possible, via quantum physics. So he's right, sort of. -- 20:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

EPIC WIN

Congratulations, you know who you are, for what may be the most impressive sockery on CP evar. Alger Hiss is now featured on the main page. "FOIA", please take a very discreet bow. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 02:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

And in true FOIA style, even the little blurb on the front page has freakin' footnotes! --Kels 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Shakspere

Evolution, relativity, and NOW Shakespeare denier (we all know when Andy says "some" he means "I"). I bet he really thinks he's made a huge point about the spelling discrepancy. For those not in the know, Elizabethan spelling, including for personal names, was extremely fast and loose. There were many spellings of "Shakespeare", used by himself and his contemporaries. Christopher Marlow occasionally went by "Marley", with no change in pronunciation. Sigh. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

With a discrepancy on the birth certificate, Andy's probably thinking he was born in Hawaii or Kenya or something. And he might have been a Muslim, after all. DogP

Yeah, Shakespeare spelled his name some 4 or five different ways in his own will.... Another great example of Andy looking at something through a contemporary lens and assuming that it has always been that way through history. I'm sure he think Jesus was a brunette white guy who spoke perfect American English. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 07:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

We had a Shakspearist on here sometime last year being extremely erudite (and annoying) on the subject. _and marmite 07:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I had a look through that little mishmash earlier (I figured RW had to have at least one anti-Stratfordian)...annoying indeed. :p --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 08:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The talk page was fun. _and marmite 09:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

looking at something through a contemporary lens and assuming that it has always been that way - well anything else would be evolution. Totnesmartin 09:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Bored TK finds a new way to block.

Love this. Instead of just removing the 'new' from the sources guideline, he removes the whole link. Start countdown to blocks (and block reason) from the Troll King for "using non-partisan sources" or something. Hello, Dean and Karajou - I know you read here - when are you going to wake up to what TK's plan is? BTW - anybody noticed when last Learn Together and Karajou edited. Looks like TopKunt has driven off two more sysops. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Um. Karajou has made more than fifty edits in May so far, the last ones being dated May 10. You're right about LT, though: Four months without a single edit. --Sid 16:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Andy and Physics

Okay, I'll confess this is something of a sensitive spot for me, since the Assfly and I both have Bachelor's degrees in Electrical Engineering.

How the Hell did Andy ever get a BSEE since he pretty much denies all modern physics? He and I only graduated about half a decade apart, so our courses of study couldn't have been that different. At the least, he would have had to have taken a course in modern physics.

Did he

1. not come to his "realizations" about physics until after college?
2. commit deceit on his exams by repeating what his libb-burr-ull professors wanted to hear, rather than telling them the truth?

MDB 12:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Andy is a fairly recent convert to the whole YEC thing. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

RJJensen lately made some edits to cp:String theory. I would love to see a joined lecture science and critical thinking by Jensen and Schlafly!

I'm wondering what the next lecture will be: I doubt that he can get enough paying homeschoolers for his mathematics and critical thinking. What a pity... OTOH: this course not happening could be Schlafly's greatest contribution to maths ever! larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 12:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

A combined Schlafly/Jensen lecture in math would create such a great quantity of teh stupid that its imense mass would cause a black hole, destroying the earth. Oh, and for bonus lulz, I love how the string theory article points to dark energy to prove string theory wrong, and the dark energy article says it was created by decietful liberal scientists to deny god. Great stuff. Z3ro^talk 14:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

But black holes are liberal fabrications, so Andy could never create one. Hmm... did Andy ever argue that the LCH would doom the world because it would create a black hole or something of that nature? --Shagie 15:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa. RJJ's modifications to cp:String theory are a clear improvement, describing it as what it is: a remarkably coherent mathematical unification which thus far fails the test of falsifiability. 17:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Jessica retires

It's official, Jessica retired (here). So, how long will it take TK to block her without prejudice and delete her user/talk page? larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 12:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

but... but... where will Conservapedians go for detailed discussions of anime? MDB 12:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure Uncle Ed will provide... assuming you like that kind of anime of course. Heh heh - I love how cp:Azumanga Daioh makes no mention of the creepy pedo Teacher, or Kaorin, who has definite lesbian-ish feelings towards Sakaki. Could be a surprise in store for little conservatives who watch that show. Countdown to deletion after Troll King reads this in 3... 2... 1... --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

She's tried to get two of her photos removed, saying that the photos' owner (I assume her) has withdrawn permission for their use. Like that'll ever work for any copyrighted photo on CP, but the original photo comment says that they have been released into the public domain. Bondurant 12:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

lesbian-ish?! And thanks, I didn't even know they had an article on Azumanga. And how dare they call Osaka dim-witted! She's probably considered pretty smart on whatever planet she came from! --GTac 13:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - I love Osaka to bits too. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What an annoying S.O.B. larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 13:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[e.c] I used the words vindictive small-dicked pratt, but you E.C.'d me. PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that TK is a dick and all that, but the upload comment by Jessica did say that she had released the photos to the public domain, and I don't think you can then take back ownership for something you've given away. Of course, the polite thing to do would have been to delete the pictures, but this is TK. Bondurant 14:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

lol. Polite? It would have required him to do the 'proper' or even 'Christian' thing, but Troll King is unfamiliar with either word. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you suppose is the fate of the picture of her and her sister on her user page? That would be the one I'd be worried about leaving at CP. Aboriginal Noise ^{Oh, what a lovely tea party!} 15:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Assuming Jessica was foolish enough to upload a real pic. I'm sure Ed by now has it safely in his...collection. --Kels 15:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

• Shudder*. Let's hope Jess doesn't read that :P EddyP 15:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Cracked

Expect a mass of people to check out conservapedia, cause it's featured on cracked.com!. It's pretty good and they really managed to touch upon some of the highlights of Andy's insanity. It is a bit too bad that they mention Liberapedia for further research, but not RationalWiki :( --GTac 12:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice one. Glad they picked up on the translation project. My only gripe is (like the Vanity Fair) article, they look at it from the outside in. Imagine if they were to come across Andy's "lectures", methods of testing and his replies to people who question his facts (Lesson 11 as an example). Maybe we should be dropping hints to them? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Nah, cracked isn't really a blog kind of website that would post updates to already existing articles. And I don't think you can blame them too much for the way they have written it. They only have a few paragraphs to sum up CP to thousands of people who have never heard of it, of course they won't be able to give a thorough insider's perspective. I'm quite impressed what they did manage to put in, it has the bible retranslation project, hitler-evolution, andy = school teacher, obsession with liberals and a description how they pretty much build an anti-intellectual bunker. What more could you expect? --GTac 12:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gahh....Why didn't they link to cp:Evolution? Bastards! ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 13:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha! I see informing Andy he's in Cracked, is now moronic vandalism. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

TK to troll the comments in 3...2...1... Totnesmartin 13:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you think they would let us still that timeline for our CP article? It is looking a little shabby in the middle since PC took an interest in it. - π 13:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm rather amazed to see that they're so kind to WikiFur, of all people. You'd think Cracked would tear them apart, but they just went for the easiest jokes and moved on. Weird. --Kels 13:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Furries are sooooooo last season. Vulpius 15:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Tear them apart? Some wikifurrians might be into that. 194.6.79.200 15:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, it must have had some effect. CP is now in nite moad. </jealous> ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 15:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Cracked features Conservapedia as a "terrifying bastardization", Schlafly basks in the attention83.67.82.204 15:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a damn shame they didn't link to the evolution article. We really need to get that page up the rankings. 194.6.79.200 15:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Apparently cracked.com is blocked at my work ... can someone screengrab, summarize, or something? Jrssr5 15:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Look here. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 15:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

unfortunately the feds are on top of their game, and don't allow work-arounds like that. Thanks though. Jrssr5 18:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone official here want to ask them if we can use their "Helpful time line" picture in our Conservapedia article? I think they summed it all up pretty well. --Gulik 16:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahahahaha, I just saw that on Cracked! XD And even though they mostly just went for the more obvious targets, they offer a surprisingly good understanding of CP: "The folks at Conservapedia are trying to build something more like a bunker, surrounded by six feet of concrete that no opposing ideas can pierce." --Sid 16:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

As a scummy Euro-liberal I can't be expected to keep up will the ravings of the Schlafly harridan as well as her loony son, so following the link from Cracked I notice that Granny Phy is the one harping on about Dubya not being conservative enough. Can't Andy come up with his own insights any more, or is he still sucking at his mother's dried-up teats? Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 17:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ken - CP's most irrelevant user?

Is it just me, or is Ken becoming more irrelevant? He hardly edits his pet articles any more; all he really does is put up his strange 'Gentlemen!!! I believe that it is likely that in the near future I will wash my hair!!! Look out for the search rankings of 'toenail clippings' at a certain search engine starting with a 'G'!'. I know he recently found a new fad (homosexuality and genetics) but that's stopped now. He hardly interacts with other users, apart from those whom he invites (and who never make a single edit e.g. BigWhammy) and I think that until he finds a new article like 'homosexuality and soap' or something he will increasingly fade into obscurity. Even Andy ignores him completely whenever Ken posts on his talk page; usually TK steps in and makes Ken his bitch. EddyP 15:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Essentially. He rarely if ever adds new content. It's almost entirely inane changes of verbiage, changing pictures, sizes, and copy-pasting his quote-ore into new articles. "Gentlemen! Behold! The search ranking for a certain article beginning with A is now #3 on a search engine beginning with G! I FEAR PROPER NOUNS!" 16:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ken is only capable of three sorts of thoughts; believing in gOD, how evolution is a LIE, and not having sex with (other?) men. Since he's covered these topics already, he merely tweaks and prods his babies whilest looking at the search engine that begins with "G" to see how healthy they are. His goals complete he can die (and go to Heaven to be with Jesus for all eternity, the tall, hunky Jesus that will hold our Ken and give him kisses and other heavenly delights...) CЯacke® 16:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so killing is bad and god tells Abraham to kill Isaac... Homosex is an abomination worthy of great scorn and many footnotes. What would Ken/Daniel1212 do if his god commanded him to have homosex? Could he bring himself to do it? ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 17:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I daresay he would, ahem, 'rise' to the occassion. EddyP 17:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Pious man that he is, he would fall to his knees in worship, of course. --Kels 17:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What I love best is that both Cross daily and Christian Top Sites have absolutely, not a single, nada mention of CP. Evern better Conservative USA doesn't mention CP in their "Right Links". Proof, once again, of what an epic fail those homo-, xeno-, <insert phobia of choice>phobic morons at CP actually are. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 17:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I do blog and news searches for CP regularly, hoping against hope that someone will say something positive for me to put in the Wikipedia article. But there's only the science blogs laughing at it, or occasional "hey, get these idiots2 pieces a la Vanity Fair and Cracked. It must be galling for andy that regular conservatives like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh won't touch CP. Totnesmartin 18:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

it must be a measure of how bad CP is that I called Ann and Rush "regular" in comparison... Totnesmartin 18:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ann Coulter - as regular as (but much less fun than) menstruation.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 18:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

"far faster than geometrically"

What does that even mean???? --and just an fyi, you dumb fck "insight c.1200, innsihht, "sight with the eyes of the mind," mental vision, understanding," from in + sight. Sense shaded into "penetrating understanding into character or hidden nature" (c.1580)." [6]--En attendant Godot_{"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov»} 18:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

$a_{n}=a\,r^{n-1}$ and apparently r = 2 and n = centuries since KJV was published. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 18:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if he has considered normalizing conservative word growth by population growth.

I love this running calculation he has going. "All words I like are conservative words. Lamp. I love lamp." And then he adds words to each century to show geometric growth. Conservatives win! QED! Andy's painting the target around the bullet hole again. Corry 22:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the reminder. That's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy! ħuman 22:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Growth by tetration? But then how does he get the manpower to write it in that speed? Second thought, he must be typing at Godspeed at that point, which raises the question that why he is not typing at Godspeed now? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 23:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't even see how he came up with that dumb observation. Geometrically could be a tripling each century, or 10x. It's still geometric. And thanks for reminding me of tetration, Knxbam - I'm still trying to memorize that word... ħuman 23:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hamster hiccup?

I'm getting an "Internal Server Error" every now and then when trying to access CP. Is the Cracked.com traffic causing more load or something? --Sid 19:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

And now I also got a 503 "Service Temporarily Unavailable" one. Also resolved after refreshing, though. --Sid 19:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This should be fun...

Ed suggests that the insanely long "Examples of Bias in Wikipedia" page should become even longer by formatting it as a table with a column for biased speculation and further demonization careful analysis of why Wikipedia did whatever it did.

Should be fun to watch, let's hope Andy agrees! --Sid 19:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't see why he'd bother. After all, everything, including acts of vandals, are just a reflection of site policy and Jimbo's deep evil. --Kels 20:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

They totally need our voting extension so they can have WIGO bias in wikipedia. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 21:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Too bad it's GFDL... ħuman 22:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair use! Fair use fixes everything! --Sid 23:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This could get ugly

TK threatens to undo a block by DeanS. DeanS then reverts TK's comment. Could get interesting. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 22:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Cagematch! ħuman 22:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I like how they completely ignore RJenson's "go to Canada" and other bullshit and just target the editor. Never gets old. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 22:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder why TK is even interested to unblock that lady. Is it because he is obsessed with simply blocking people for no good reason? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 23:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

With anybody but Dean, I would have guessed that TK is simply targeting yet another sysop to drive away. But Dean? DEAN? The guy who came up with MYOB? Seriously? Wow. Maybe it's just TK cementing his "Andy's Right Hand" position since Dean is fairly high-ranking (thanks to him copy-pasting all those "news" items), too. Like "Yeah, Dean, you're ranked high in the chain of command, but I'm higher." So Dean reverting looks a lot like "Bring it, bitch." Though I'm willing to bet money that the action will be 100% behind the scenes here. So we likely won't see many details along the way. --Sid 23:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Amusingly, just re-saw the WoW South Park ep last night, I can't help but think the "evil gamer" looks just like TK. But, yeah, Sid, I'm sure a little flurry of emails and IMs has already unruffled this one. Shame when they take their spats private. ħuman 23:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that since Dean's status as a parodist is uncertain, TK is aiming at him next in his campaign to drive out the people who actually want to contribute instead of assist in self-destructing the site. ENorman 00:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if Andy would even notice if the site was reduced to just him and the students? ħuman 00:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I dont there is much that Andy really notices. He doesnt seem to notice TK ruining his site nor the derision he and his site garner from the outside world. He doesnt notice his own double standards, hypocrisy nor stupidity. Ace McWicked^{Disco Jesus} 00:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You forgot that he doesn't notice that America is not becoming more conservative, despite how many words he randomly pulls from the dictionary.ENorman 02:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

And I've never seen him notice or pay any attention in any way to a single one of Ken's edits. It's like he lives in a bubble, inside another bubble. DogP 04:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Some consistency...

Jpatt at 9pm: Welcome, TeachEnglish! Jpatt at 10pm: Get lost, Ronaldrwasgod! The former put up a single link to a foreign organization. The latter's only crime was making a sentence grammatically correct. What happened in that one hour? --Irrational Atheist 02:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem with grammar is that it can change the context of the sentence, Jpatt has it going the way they want. - π 04:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Unsurprisingly that piece of bad grammar can from Andy and has sat there for 15 months unchallenged. - π 04:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I wish a sentence with "bad grammar" in it didn't have, you know, bad grammar, and typos :( ħuman 04:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

- π 04:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"...a liberal that happens..."? Now we are objects. Nice. ħuman 04:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

He already had us as only befriending people to indoctrinate them, being irrational immoral hate-machines, and unable to understand any immaterial concept such as love, truth, or gravity. This is hardly a stretch. ENorman 04:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't the word "that" includes things as well as peoples? Now I am confused. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 05:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"...a liberal who happens..." would be correct. ħuman 05:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It's amazing; when a random editor corrects the grammar mistakes of TK, Ken, Dean, or Jpatt, they will respond by squinting their eyes really hard, changing something inconsequential about the sentence, and yet they still get it wrong! Junggai 08:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Here is the problem of classifying contraception as a sin...

Abstinence would then be classified as a contraception. Conclusion: Abstinence is classified as a sin.

Or did someone went over that already? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 05:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I always thought that the shining eye of one who desires you physically is God telling us, in her wisdom, to try to make a baby as soon as possible. But then, I might be wrong. ħuman 05:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

PS, Kxyzwi, what was your link supposed to go to? (I messed it up, pls to fix) ħuman 05:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I vaporized the image for a duplicate of this one. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. ħuman 06:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

How'd this slip past the Gestapo?

Kazu reverts Andy with an invitation to "discuss this on my talk page". The man has balls, or is ignorant of how it really works over there. TheKunt watch commencing.... now. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 08:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)