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The Killers

I saw them yesterday in Hyde Park. They were amazing. SJ ^Debaser 13:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Fuck The Killers. I've never seen a band ride a unique sound without actually producing any music of substance as well as them. All style, no substance. Z3ro^talk 13:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sir, you bite your tongue! Shutup! SJ ^Debaser 13:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

All flash and no message; all sound and fury, signifying nothing; all revved up, no where to go. That is The Killers. Z3ro^talk 13:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

"Z3ro", I've skimmed through your contributions and seen that they are 90% talk and 10% content. As such, you are defenitely an atheist liberal dick, and therefore your slagging off of the Killers is not credible. Please, open your mind to the possibility that the Killers rock. Godspeed! SJ ^Debaser 13:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to support my fellow numerical friend in saying they are shit. - π 14:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't really give a shit. Everyone has their own musical tastes. Some people listen to Fall Out Boy and Panic at the Disco, and I still can't figure out why. SJ ^Debaser 15:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm at an age where I'm not the least bit surprised that I've never heard of theez guys. (Takes quick listen...)...Sounds like your basic '80s British pop music. For the record, checking out the current Billboard Top 10, I can also note that I've never heard of Keri Hilson, Pitbull, Lady Gaga, Sean Kensington, Jeremiah, Shinedown, or Young Money.--WJThomas 16:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm also willing to bet that 12 months from now, not one of the above mentioned groups will be in existence. sadly, we live in a time of manufactured pop stars, singing generic rubbish and they're only as good as the Next Big Thing. There's not a chance any of these will 30 years from now, like Depeche Mode are (ok, even though the new album is crap and they should have given up long ago).

/goes back to reading KLF's "How to make a No 1 hit". --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

yeah, "we live in a time of manufactured pop stars singing generic rubbish". Not like the old days, when we had Lipps Inc., El Debarge, New Kids on the Block, and Menudo. Those bands had integrity and staying power, dammit! --Kels 17:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Josh, I'm with you. Saw the killers live at the NEC. They are one of the best live acts around at the moment, regardless of whether you like the music or not, they put on a hell of a show. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of bands I had forgotten about, Sunny Day Real Estate got back together, apparently? There needs to be somebody whose job it is to tell me these things.168.215.249.51 17:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to log in!WilhelmJunker 17:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Limey/Yank make-up

Given that this site is basically dedicated to CP, I'm surprised there are so many brits here (I'm one too). You guys should do a census, it would be interesting. 82.16.194.88 14:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but it's because we subscribe to that nasty liberal multi-culturism that scares the bejeezus out of narrow-minded bigots like Terry. (Welsh ex-pat here b.t.w.) --PsyGremlin_Whut? 15:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

As you will know, modern-day Britain is much less religious than the USA and like much of Europe our politics is mixed market capitalism/socialism. So when Conservapedia started to get noticed after Andy's publicity drive in March 2007 a lot of Brits felt challenged to tackle his ultra-conservative, Bibical literalist POV, feeling incredulous that this crazy stuff still existed. Also articles like the Pacific Northwest Arboreal Octopus encouraged people to have their own bit of fun by inserting parody and mockery. Owing to their inherent inward looking POV of conservative America and lacking any sysops with knowledge of the rest of the world it was possible for people (mainly Brits because of our underlying anarchic attitude to authority) to add their own spoof articles and wind up the fundies engage in debate with these odd people. We found common ground with those of a more liberal disposition who lived in the USA because we felt that this stuff needs to be stopped from spreading. I haven't done any counts but I would hazard a guess that the Atlantic divides us pretty much down the middle. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 15:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

We had a vote/register thingy a month or two ago in the Saloon Bar (or maybe WIGO CP?) about how we all pronounce WIGO, and we all wrote our nationalities there. Mostly British and American, some Irish, some mainland Europeans and a few Aussies and NZealanders. CPhobia prob spread south of the hemisphere for the same reasons Genghis sez it spread to Britain. SJ ^Debaser 15:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I remember it. But can't remember where it is. I don't know what search terms would even work to find it, but it doesn't appear to be in the Saloon Bar archives. ^sshole 18:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

This one? ^sshole 18:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that one. Good memories, got the whole community involved and everything! SJ ^Debaser 10:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

See, most people, when spurting their opinions and points of view on teh interwebs and have an international hate following, would think "Hmm, perhaps there's something wrong with my ideaoligy". But not Andy. No no, everyone else in the whole world is nuts, and he is a beacon of rational and reasonable thinking. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 20:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Andy and Harold Camping

I came across a radio station owned by Harold Camping (he believes the rapture will start in 2011 or something) the other day. You would not believe how much like Andy he is. Uses a form of media to pass his understanding of the bible and religion. They even sound alike.

--TimS 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

When I saw the title of this section I thought it was about another of those childrens' gay life-style acceptance books. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was a reference to an old junior-high joke: "If you woke up one day to find your pants off and your ass greased, and no memory of what had happened, would you tell anyone?" "Well, no, of course not..." "Great! Wanna go camping?"--WJThomas 16:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we should make a bet? We will convert to Christianity on new year 2011, and if the rapture does not happen then on new year's day 2012 we all go back to ourselves and he has to "convert" to atheism? Provided you can stand going to church every sunday and not using johnnies (not all bad) Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 20:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

So that's what Harold Camping looks like? Somehow I always imagined him looking more like Jabba the Hutt. Secret Squirrel 22:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Is Harold Camping different from Other Kinds of Camping? Does it involve Motorized Trailers? ħuman 08:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Went for a walk and videoed some goats

Totnesmartin 21:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

And I have no idea why that didn't embed. Totnesmartin 21:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Goats make me happy. That brown and white guy's got nice goaticles. Thanks for sharing. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 22:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC) PS since we've been on a youtube kick lately I added the template to the quickedit table below.

I'm surprised a pissed off farmer didn't come running out and screaming "What are you doing? Get away from my goats!" SJ ^Debaser 11:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I was on a public footpath. Mind you a couple of months ago I did get a pissed off farmer ranting at me for recording chicken noises coming from his factory barn. He even called the police. Totnesmartin 11:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Something to look forward to in the Autumn

Creation Ministries International will have a lovely and almost certainly balanced and unbiased doc on Darwin coming out in September. DogP^{Marmite Patrol} 22:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be spring? ħuman 22:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

OH SNAP!! FIGHT!!!1! User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 23:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Most of September would actually be summer (or winter, for southlanders).--WJThomas 23:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else find it depressing that CMI actually had a million dollars to pour in to this waste of perfectly good film stock? Next time I hear PJR bitch about how creationists never get research funding, remind me to point this out. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 12:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Weird brain is weird

I just played an album but skipped one track. Afterwards the tune in my head is the skipped track. Hey brain, I didn't want that one! Totnesmartin 11:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Back in the old analogue days of cassettes, even with compilations, when I heard a track on the radio my mind would always go immediately to the next track that I had on tape. Генгис^pillaging 12:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't hear a 70's Queen track without mentally following it with the next track on Queen's Greatest Hits. Totnesmartin 12:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it all depends which album your mind was imprinted with. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 12:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

ANOTHER DEAD CELEB

TV INFOMERCIAL SPOKESDUDE BILLY MAYS WAS FOUND DEAD IN HIS HOME THIS MORNING.--WJThomas 21:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

AS SOMEONE I KNOW ONLINE SAID, HEAVEN JUST GOT A LOT LOUDER. --Kels 17:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

THIS SECTION MUST BE TYPED IN ALL CAPSLOCK IN HONOR OF MR. MAYS. HE LIVED ABOUT 5 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE, WAS A BIG MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, AND ALL-AROUND BADASS. THIS HONESTLY AFFECTS ME MORE THAN MICHAEL JACKSON, MCMAHON, OR FARAH FAWCETT DYING THIS WEEK. ENORMAN 20:47, 28 JUNE 2009 (UTC)

BY USING ALL CAPS HERE, ARE WE IMITATING THE UNCYCLOPEDIA ARTICLE ON MR. MAYS? ListenerX^TalkerX 20:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what WE'RE SHOUTING ABOUT. LOUD NOISES </brick> Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 20:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

YOU RANG?

JUST CAPS FOR MAYS? GOOD JOB IT WASN'T BRIAN BLESSED. Totnesmartin 21:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

IT NEEDS TO BE EVEN LOUDER!!!! The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 21:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

WHAT? BRIAN BLESSED IS DEAD? WHEN? HE WAS GREAT IN Z-CARS Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 22:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

TRUTH BE TOLD, I FEEL RATHER BAD ABOUT BM'S DEATH, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE MY FAULT. ARM&HAMMER HAS BEEN RUNNING COMMERCIALS LATELY FEATURING BILLY MAYS, AND A FEW DAYS AGO I DROPPED THEM AN EMAIL SAYING I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT SUCH A RESPECTABLE PRODUCT WOULD SINK SO LOW AS TO USE A SHRILL SHILL LIKE BILLY MAYS, AND I WOULDN'T USE THEIR PRODUCT AGAIN UNTIL THEY GOT RID OF HIM. BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, I ONLY MEANT THAT I WANTED THEM TO FIRE HIM, NOT KILL HIM.--WJThomas 22:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I JUST WANT TO SEE MY SIG IN GIANT SIZE LETTERS. ħuman 23:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) YEAH, HE'S FROM THE PITTSBURGH AREA, SO THE LOCAL NEWS HAS BEEN INTERVIEWING HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY. APPARENTLY HE WAS A HUGE JESUS FREAK. WHICHEVER. I REALLY ENJOYED 'PITCHMEN'. Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 14:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

HE WAS BY FAR THE GREATEST PITCH MAN OF OUR TIME. FORGET CHUCK NORRIS AND HIS BOWFLEX, AND FORGET VINCE AND THE SHAMWOW. ONE DOSE OF BILLY MAYS TO A PRODUCT, AND IT'S AS GOOD AS NEW! AND AS AN ADDED BONUS, YOU GET THE SATISFACTION THAT WHATEVER HE SOLD WAS JUST AS GOOD AS ADVERTISED! BILLY MAYS, YOU WILL BE MISSED! HERE'S HOW TO REMEMBER!-- CodyH 22:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Jamie Glazov's United in Hate

I saw this book at my local Barnes & Nobel.

http://www.amazon.com/United-Hate-Romance-Tyranny-Terror/dp/1935071602

And I felt that was quite claim to make on the front cover of his book. So I as you folks here, does his argument hold any water?

Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought - Looks like TerryH or JPatt's bookshelf. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 22:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

That is quite the lineup indeed! ħuman 22:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Screen break

I've done my elbow in somehow, and I'm going to have to take a break from computering for 24 hours (or even longer?). No RW, WP, LJ, FB, YT, Flickr or Last.fm until...when? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. See y'all sometime :( Totnesmartin 14:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhh noooooooooo, not Fin-rand! That means no self harming / pleasure too. Shame. Get better soon, I enjoy your goat videos. SJ ^Debaser 15:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad Science

Looking on Amazon for a link to Ben Goldacre's book Bad Science I noticed that there is a free downloadable chapter that wan't included in the first edition and can be viewed here. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 15:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that's the one due to him being sued over it, the publishers got a bit iffy with it and decided to cut it. Once the suit was finished, he offered it up as a free download. I think it might be on badscience.net too. ^sshole 13:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It is, but some people may have missed it. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 13:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I strongly urge everyone to read it - as a reminder of what we're up against. Silver Sloth 14:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It's shocking; the guy ought to be arraigned for murder. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_{and marmalade} 14:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Just seen on BBC News24 that Bad Science is shortlisted for the Samuel Johnson prize for non-fiction. This book is a great read and fits RW's view point to a T. I recommend it to everyone here. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 18:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Cults in weird places

Inspired by a previous saloon bar thread, I picked up Worms: Armageddon again and was pleasantly surprised that wormnet was still going. However, being something like a decade since the game was released, things have changed a bit since I last played. Now all the casual gamers are long gone, and the place has turned in to a freaky cult. There are traditional weapons schemes that must be used religiously, arcane rules that one must follow above and beyond those the game enforces, little ceremonies that must be performed upon joining a game or you get kicked. I shit you not. I can't even play, since these rules are unwritten, and none of the faithful will take the time to explain them to an unbeliever. It's a bit sad that I can't enjoy blowing the crap out of another team of cutesy little worms. Funny how these little cults get started, and how quickly. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 18:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Worms: Armageddon was one of those games that could be extremely enjoyable while being utterly, completely frustrating at the same time. I only had the PSX version, though, so I never got into the Wormnet craze. I came from a less-than-well-to-do family, so as the online gaming boom reached it's first frenzied iterations, I was still scrambling around on the home systems. It would take me a while before I got into MMOs, and by then the casual gaming had been boiled down to morons and hardcores, which kept me out of it. -- CodyH 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe it was my thread that inspired this, I was talking about how I have the demo version of Worms 2. I never got into MMOs, preferring to just blow shit up on Grand Theft Auto on my PS2, but I may look in to getting Worms Armageddon when I get my new laptop (soon hopefully). SJ ^Debaser 11:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ooooooooooh! I've been playing WA for 9 years, so I've seen first-hand these cults form and dominate the game. You might find this site i wrote helpful for some scheme guides, and this wiki which another prominent member of the community wrote. Yeah, the online community is very difficult to communicate with - they're pretty intolerant of newbies. If you guys want to be shown around a few fun crazy schemes (or some regular and challenging schemes) leave a message on User:Runderful and we can set some games up! 194.6.79.200 12:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Communicating about RationalWiki off RationalWiki

I would like to find a place to communicate random information about the site, particularly if there are server problems, software problems, or other issues, that does not rely on the server actually running. The problem is not that there is a shortage of such venues, but that there are too many such places. Anyone have any preferences about what would work and what they would not want to see? For example, I will not under any circumstances ever log in to Facebook again. I was thinking of getting the keys for the RW twitter page maybe? tmtoulouse 19:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Twitter is a good option, since people who don't have an account there can still view the page. --PitchBlackMind 19:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Blogger is probably a better option, you can set up a subdomain of RW (status.rationalwiki.com, to be unoriginal about it) to point at the blog, that way people don't have to remember some arcane address if RW has demised. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 19:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

But if the server is crashed, like happened the other day with the power supply, the subdomain would be crashed as well right? tmtoulouse 19:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't host your own DNS do you? That would be a bad thing. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 19:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

http://twitter.com/RationalWiki ain't obscure. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 19:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah true, I could do it through the DNS, but yeah, I could do the same thing with any of the options, twitter included. Eh, I don't really care what we use, twitter just looked really simple. tmtoulouse 19:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Twitter is definitely the most simple, it's already created and it's a very easy address to remember. If you can't find it you're probably too smashed to be using the computer anyway. --PitchBlackMind 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nah, you can't do it with any service. The host server has to know to serve some particular file for domain foo.bar.com. (Well, ok, there's SRV records, but only some browsers support wide area DNS-SD.) However, blogger lets you configure these things. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 19:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You can have the Twitter keys if you want. If you install something like TwitterFox and follow RW then you get the info automatically popping up from your status bar. I think it would be a good use for it. Also if your whole connection was down for some reason you could upload a tweet from your mobile. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 19:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Twitter to me isnt a web based communication tool. Twitter is what I do without any breakfast whisky. In saying that though, I'll never have a twitter account so it doesnt really matter. Why did I even post again? Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 20:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Please incorporate the acronym "SDG" into this somehow. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Please also to be remembering that some of us are now too old to be considered cool kids anymore, and thus barred from using twitter by order of the management. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 20:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

As I said, I could care less what I use, it just needs to be one thing that we all know so everyone knows where to go for the info. tmtoulouse 20:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Why dont we start a wiki? Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 20:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hell yea, we can call it RationalWikiWiki.......oh snap......tmtoulouse 20:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

If there was a wiki about RationalWiki, I think I'd know about it... ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

We can give it a catchy name like www.thewikithatisallaboutrationalwikianditsissues.com. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 20:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(UI) One idea is to use aSoK (a user talk page or subpage, say). Another is the IRC channel. The wiki idea could be interesting - a free one at wikia.com or whatever it's called? The hard part will be that we will all have to know in advance where to go, without having a place here to check if we forgot to bookmark it. ħuman 20:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is it you people are forgetting our motto?

The first rule of RationalWiki is:
You don't talk about Rationalwiki

There you go. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 20:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I suggest a phone tree. Trent calls Huw and Ace, and they call two people, and they call two people... ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That would require giving Ace responsibility. Bad idea. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 20:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Ace is responsible! Ace just dislikes talking on the phone as his voice makes men and woman weak at the knees. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 20:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Then Ace can use a teletypewriter service. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Or we could use the internet. They have internet on computers now. --127․0․0․1 20:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Have you guys heard of this new internet? Its the inner netting on the inside of swimming trunks. But yeah, AoSK is a good idea. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 20:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, we could use Skype. ^{— Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs} 20:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

No, no. BBS! BBS! Get yer modems out for the lads. Also, Emperor old bean, you should know the first rule of RW is "You must be at least this tall to use the assquote generator." --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 20:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

So Stunteddwarf can't use it? The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 20:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

One advantage to using aSoK is that many of us already know where it is. I also forgot to mention using a mailing list, the good part about that is if we put it, say, on the welcome template or something, once someone joins they don't have to "remember where to go when RW is down". They'll get the likely email from Trent saying what's up, or from his Mom telling us we're on our own... ħuman 21:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I veto aSoK, I have no desire to piggy back upon that project or be involved in anyway. A mailing list might work but I prefer things to be more open to anyone at any time member or not. Hence my suggestion of using twitter. tmtoulouse 21:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

How about a Google Groups? That way, everyone can join, it would be like a forum not supported by Trent's server, AND we can call it the RationalWiki Special Discussion Group! Brilliant idea, if I do say so myself! The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 21:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(ECx2)I can see the logic in using aSoK, but not everyone visits there all the time and shouln't we ask PJR rather than just seconding his site as our backup noticeboard? Also with regards to email I am aware that some people use a secondary account for their communications online and don't always check it as often as their main account. Finally, we are assuming that Trent always has internet access. What if there is a power outage, or his broadband connection is cut, or he's hauled off to the police station to answer charges of defamation against Denyse O'Leary? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 21:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I second Google groups. It is free (I think) and ridiculously easy to set up if it's like Google pages. It's probably a bit clunky, but who cares? Sterile driptray 21:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You know who should run our Twitter channel? Marcus Cicero. He'd be perfect. --Kels 22:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

And CUR, don't forget CUR. I wonder how a storehouse of cheetahs is getting on? I hope the blackjack tables and brothels he's installing aren't too expensive. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:23, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i would like to know if CUR got a wiki off the ground. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 22:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I think Google groups is a good idea, as what Ghengis says is true about users using a different email account from their main one (as I only recently realised that my real name was entailed in my real account title and then changed it in case any of you ever wanted to kill me). As for Arthropleura, just email him and ask. Or ask him here. I'm sure he's probably lurking like Terry Koeckritz on the WIGO CP page. SJ ^Debaser 11:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Further thoughts

Okay, what I am looking for is an easy way to disseminate relevant information to RW users even if the server is down, I also think some level of two way communication is going to be important. After reviewing twitter and how it works I am less inclined to use it since it doesn't seem very good about allowing people to respond.

I am not very thrilled about anything that requires making new accounts, new passwords or that is private and not openly accessible and usable by any lurker/bunch of numbers or CP sysops. Which is why I am not really thrilled with the idea of a mailing list. Google groups also seems needlessly complex, and really, the point is not to create something else that everyone has to follow on a daily basis. We have the wiki and forums to communicate, the only time we would need an offsite communications spot is if something were wrong with the server. A google/groups/forum seems excessive and restrictive for what we need.

I don't want to parasitize another wiki like ASoK, not the least of because we would be relying on them being around long term. I would also like to keep it focused.

So with all that in mind, I am thinking what I am essentially describing is a "blog." The few times we had long planned outages we setup temporary shop and akjeldson's blog and Caius' blog and it seemed to work well. Jeeves points out that we can setup a subdomain of RW to point to the blog, thus limiting what people have to remember. tmtoulouse 17:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What's your Game?

With Andy's quest to rid the world of violent video games, I was wondering what kind go games we here at RW play. I play Ace combat and other flying games and Devil May Cry mostly. I suck at FPS...so very, very badly:(--Nate River 02:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I play mean tricks on people who are not as intelligent as I am. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 02:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

My favorite games are the wp:Geneforge series. I find it entertaining to play each of the sects against one another, enjoying the subtle political manipulations as I grow more and more powerful, eventually becoming STRONGER THAN ALL OF THEM! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!! A fitting game for Darth Sidious, don't you think? The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 02:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm a mixed fan, liking RPGs (not as much as the level-grinding is starting to get on my nerves at some points), tactics, platformers, and stealth games. Not as much traditional FPS games (I'll start up TF2 again when I get my new computer). Right now I'm playing the first MGS game and FFXII ENorman 03:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Just remember: If there are 10 versions of final fantasy, just create subsections in one article, mm'kay? The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 03:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I am playing Battlefield Heroes (FPS) these days. Other interests include various Japanese GalGames(Porno/dating sims), RPGs (although I obsessively challenge the decisions of the protagonists), RTS (not the new ones, stuff older than or at Command & Conquer Generals:Zero Hour) and FPS (Team fortress 2, Left 4 dead, Battlefield 2142). I suck at most of them though, so don't count on it. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 03:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

RTS (Starcraft, Warcraft, C&C) are my favorites. I still play WC3 on occasion and that game came out when I was a sophomore in high school. Other than that, I enjoy real time action RPGs. Those are about all I play now. I got burned out on turn-based RPGS and FPS'. --PitchBlackMind 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I play is Civilization on a DS and Brain Training. My wife and several other females I know enjoy the Brain Training packs. But these are hardly "video" games. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 05:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Mostly RPGs as a rule, but I also play a lot of Action games. Right now I'm playing Dynasty Warriors, it's fun to just to stab mofos every now and then. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 06:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much everything, but I particularly like RPGs (specially Final Fantasies). Also, I've played Cave Story perhaps a bit too much. Flare^Talk 11:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I go through phases of games - sometimes I'll spending weeks playing one game and weeks playing another. @ Ghengis, Civilization II and III are brilliant, aren't they? Atm I'm playing Tony Hawk's American Wasteland and at other times I play Scarface The World Is Yours and GTA San Andreas. SJ ^Debaser 11:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything from the folks at Bethesda Softworks, such as Fallout 3 or any of the Elder Scrolls series. There is just so much to do in those games! Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 12:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Sim City 4, The Sims and Jems Bond Games. ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ sysop and 'crat! (does it matter?) 12:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm currently playing Mirror's Edge, and The Sims 3. Oh, that reminds me of a joke: I was playing The Sims the other day and decided to create myself. It's so annoying, I keep pissing myself, constantly need food, cry because I smell so bad and can't even make friends, let alone get a wife. Probably because I spend too much time playing The Sims. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only person here that rocks FPS? Easily my favorite type of game. Oh, and right now I'm loving Fight Night Round 4. Z3ro^talk 13:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I used to play BF:2142 a lot. I used to get kicked off CounterStrike servers all the time because they'd always have friendly fire off and I have a bit of a trigger finger, as well as an inability to tell each team apart :\ Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I still think we should have a rationalwiki poker club. I have the server software all running and waiting. Should I make a page for it for people to register? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

As nice as it would be, I think we are already distracted enough away from the mission for that. Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 14:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I have been playing Fallout 3 since Christmas Day, 2008. SRSLY. I also received Fable II in the same package, but I have yet to remove the wrapper. I can't wait for the Mothership Zeta DLC to round out my collection. I am also salivating over the news that Fallout: New Vegas and Fallout 4 are already in production or soon-to-be-released and I indeed have no life. Thank you. The Foxhole Atheist 19:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Genetics

Has a gene for online game playing been discovered & if so is it gender linked? I have no interest in them at all. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 03:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's called the Y chromosome. The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 03:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine must be broken. OK, I do play OPERATION from time to time, but usually only 2 or 3 times. ħuman 03:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's largely a nurturing or neutering thing. A large portion of those people aren't getting laid as often as it requires. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 04:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It has a lot to do with when you were born I think. Video games were around my entire life, not playing them wasn't an option. --PitchBlackMind 04:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Point! PBM. I well remember "Pong" (or was it "Ping"?) ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 04:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(Pong came out when I was in my late 20s I think) ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 04:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered why they named a videogame after the smell of a fart. ħuman 06:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Did someone say fart? I think I could take over as the resident annoying person. SJ ^Debaser 11:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wasted Away Again in Margaritaville

Ok, I'm typing while slightly drunk, which is against my rules, but this is a bar, so I think I'm good. Anyway, I would just like to say, nothing like watching the girl you were forming a relationship with, but then dumped you for religious reasons openly hit on another guy like two days later when there's just the three of you involved in the situation. Now I remember why I just stopped caring about relationships and such..... I think from now on, I stick to booze and stand up comedy. Thank you for listening, if anyone is buying drinks, I prefer Vodka and Witch Hazel.... Hey, where'd that little fucker CUR go, I need a bartender. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 06:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, did you lose this shaker of salt? Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 07:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

You know Ace, some people claim there's a woman to blame, but I know..... It's my own damn fault. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 07:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

God damn fucking hell Chuck, enough of that down-trodden talk. You haven't done anything wrong so I wont hear of it! Let the bitch loose, you did you dash and naught came from it. These things are signs my friend. If it didn't work now, it won't work later. Her loss my friend, her loss. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 07:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the sentiment Ace. I'm not really that upset about the whole relationship thing... It's really more a "you set rules about not getting attached or involved for a reason dumbass" type of self anger. It's not really that big of a deal. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 07:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The twerp wasn't allowed up late enough to serve drinks at this hour anyway. I think his parents made him quit his bartender job due to the company it led him to keep? Anyway, have a gin and hydrogen peroxide on me. ħuman 06:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Maybe if I'm lucky I'll pass out and wake up in the hospital. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 06:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, let me add an extra bit to that.... Gotta love that same girl calling to apologize for behavior... Even though you're pretty sure it's gonna happen again... Another drink!!! SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 06:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Brutal, seriously. Have a couple shots on me. Last week I was at a bar chatting up this girl for three hours and we were really hitting it off, she was nearly perfect and seemed into me. Then of course she casually mentions she has a boyfriend. I would've preferred being kicked in the groin right when we began talking over that. --PitchBlackMind 06:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

All the "nearly perfect" ones have a boyfriend. Every once in a while, rarely even, it's you. ħuman 06:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I always make a special point of not mentioning my wife, even at the end. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 07:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Sir Chuck, I know almost exactly how you feel. Except imagine going out with the girl for two and a half years before and then breaking up because of college. SJ ^Debaser 11:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Exceptionally hot, intelligent, interesting girls don't stay single for more than a nanosecond. You usually have to take a little ticket with a number on, like when buying cheese at the supermarket. If they do seem to be perfect and claim to be single, then either they have walked into your life straight from a bust-up, or something is seriously wrong. Perhaps a scammer? Beware, you will wake up the next morning with your plasma screen gone! Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Noooeeesss!!! Not the plasma!!!11! Z3ro^talk 13:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Ok, new reason I hate being a liberal. The girl sends me some texts messages, and as much as I really want to let her have it, just haul off and scream everything I want to, I can't bring myself to do it. Instead, I find myself being polite and decent.... I really wish I was a conservative so I could just be a dick. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 19:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Being a dick transcends the political spectrum, you can just do it man. --PitchBlackMind 20:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Grand Theft Conservapedia

All this talk of video games between RW and CP recently, I decided to have a mosey over to Conservapedia's Grand Theft Auto article. I'm a big fan of it myself, which explains my incredibly liberal viewpoint. Anyhoo... "[GTA] encourages the player to perform various crimes ranging from speeding to serial murder[1]." The reference links to a net article about Grand Theft Auto 4 and reads "As Bellic [the protagonist the player controls], players can hijack cars, earn cash for criminal activities, flee from police, drive drunk, kill innocent bystanders and patronize strip clubs." I haven't played this one yet but NOW I WANT TO! It sounds AWESOME! SJ ^Debaser 11:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes you do. It is a fantastic game. Be sure to watch the television in your safehouse, as the shows and commercials shown are hilarious (especially the Pisswasser commercial). Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 12:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, my (part-time) job pays me a pittance and I'm gonna spending about 2 months pay on holiday next week. I think I may well save up and blow it all on a PS3 soon though. SJ ^Debaser 12:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

GTA4 is awesome. But most people will get Bellic pissed and drive around because it's funny as hell rather than "cool, I'm breaking the lawz!!!1". ^sshole 13:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

PS3? Go with the XBox 360; far superior platform, and you get to support the evil empire. Z3ro^talk 13:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It was the get pissed and drive thing that's attracted me to it. GTA SA is brilliant, but that's the one thing that I felt was missing: you can't drink on it. SJ ^Debaser 15:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Strangely, you can't just drink in GTAIV. You only get drunk as part of interaction with friends or dates. They also hyped the negative (not that there are any positive) aspects to driving drunk. The driving itself is near impossible and the police have a special drunk radar. No matter how slow or well you are driving, they will instantly come after you. Far from what CP would have you think, GTAIV handles drunk driving very responsibly. I always just end up getting a cab in the game, which was probably the developer's intent. --Edgerunner⁷⁶ 16:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Internet Personality Disorders

I thought this article on cracked.com would entertain all, especially seeing as we have had a few of these around here. Now I am going to check this thread every 30 seconds to make sure you all reply. - π 13:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

FUCK YOU YOU COMMUNIST FUCKTARD! ^sshole 13:54, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What? No more comments? But my dog's just died and I'm really upset. Sorry I didn't read much of no.2, too busy staring at the equations on that blackboard. ^sshole 13:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

That's not funny, my best friend was just raped after being paralyzed in an accident. Please post lots of cute kitten pictures kthxbye Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 14:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Here you can have this kitten , it is the only one I have got. - π 14:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, but unfortunately both my parents have just been run over by a steamroller. I'll need a lot more sympathy and kitten pictures now. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 14:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Just pick one. - π 14:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

This post would have been soooo much better if you'd written "every 30 seconds" instead of "ever 30 seconds" *sigh* --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I will edit it on his behalf then. Time to get back to playing games. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 14:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

FUCK YOU YOU COMMUNIST FUCKTARD! That was my witty retort. MINE!! MINE!! *sob* You just did that because you don't like me, didn't you? Even though I'm dying of the Dreaded Lurgy... as is my wife, aunt, grandma and very cute kitten. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that as I have a slightly sore elbow, sympathy would be welcome but really any attention from you would help validate my existence (and perhaps give me the colin). And K61824, that second phrase wasn't a complete sentence you communist fucktard! Did I get'em all? Totnesmartin 15:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, is the little diddums suffering? Poor little Totnesmartin. Shall I kiss it better? On second thoughts I'll just pray for you. "Please Lord Goat, make Totnesmartin shut up about his frickin' elbow." Better now? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 19:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Get well soon. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 19:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I hate the admit this, but I'm pretty much the guy who explodes for no reason in real life. Though it takes months to happen, not hours or days. I have a really really long fuse but it's connected to a gigantic bomb; I'll let a ton of shit go for months and then one day, I'll get cut off in traffic and jump out my car at the next stoplight to scream at the other person. It's a good thing it isn't easy to buy a gun in Louisiana. Oh wait. --PitchBlackMind 17:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...

I just realised there's a Daft Punk song called "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger". This makes me smile and think of Ken. SJ ^Debaser 16:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that the one they did with Kanye West? Z3ro^talk 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Kanye used some of the track and remixed it. That song's been out for a while, around 2K or before then. The main difference between the song and Ken is that the song is awesome, while the other is not. -- CodyH 17:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Possible article

I have just finished reading The Men Who Stare at Goats; would this be worthy of a RWifyed article? Of course, the title lends itself to all sorts of goat-related jokes... Time word Hoover! 16:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It is a pretty cool book. I think some of it's contents have been mentioned in an RW article somewhere before. I'm quite interested to see what the film will be like. Either fantastic or appalling. ^sshole 17:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Rational-tan?

I've just seen this at Wikipedia. Now, first question, when did Wikipedia turn this level of batshit crazy and second, does anyone think Rational-tan is a good idea? ^sshole 18:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Goat-tan, jerboa-tan and ferret-tan. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 19:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ought that not to be a Western anthropomorphic cartoon mascot, since we are mostly debating Western religious/philosophical concepts? Perhaps the Greek personification of wisdom, Sophia? ListenerX^TalkerX 19:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, if it has to be Greek, how about Pan-tan? Генгис^{Gum disease} 19:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad choice of Gods; I do not judge this to be a Dionysian Wiki. I would prefer Odin myself, obviously (the old fellow has aided our cause more than any of us know), but since Greek philosophy is often cited as the bedrock for a secular world-view, I thought a figure out of Greek philosophy might be more palatable. ListenerX^TalkerX 19:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Socra-tan? Platan? Anaximan-tan? Not pythagoras (too mystical). Totnesmartin 20:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'd be happy with these three. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member}

Uncyclopedia has Conservape-tan. I'm surprised we haven't, ahem, borrowed it. Totnesmartin 20:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think our mascot should be a unibrowed-crosseyed-two-tailed sperm cell chewing tobacco with a piece of hay sticking out of the corner of his mouth. Jism-tan User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 20:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What about a piece of wooden shelving floating the sea - plank-tan? Totnesmartin 20:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

First: It's a manga-ish chick in so-called "maid garments". What's batshit crazy about it? Second: What are we having, a goat-headed dude? wait, that'll make it look like FreeBSD. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 20:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a bit batshit because Wikipedia is usually quite serious and fairly dry, not usually ran by a bunch of Japophiles. ^sshole 20:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The Conspiracy Files

Good looking programme on BBC2 at the moment, will be on iPlayer later if anyone can get it. Looking into conspiracies and why most of them are utter bunk. Currently it's going through stuff around 7/7 bombings, I wasn't aware that the conspiracy theories were as bad as some of the 9/11 Truth Movement stuff, but they really are. ^sshole 20:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)