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BNP to give up racism!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6820847.ece Well, not exactly, but it's getting there. Extra points for playing the Orwell card with "Undemocratic Orwellian equality laws" (and quite incorrectly, I don't think Oceania enforced equality like that, IIRC). Armondikov 13:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the link as it was broken. After finding this, I don't think we can ever say the BNP will be "giving up" racism. If only my socks weren't blocked on CP I'd love to send this to Andy and say "these are the people you'd say would get your vote on education alone, you retard." Sorry for that, but the man has the same IQ as a starfish. SuperJosh 13:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think we can say the BNP will be as hostile as ever to ethnic minorities. This isn't a case of them voluntarily giving up their racism, but rather being forced to by a court decision. Instead, I dare say we'll see a version of the old "No Irish, No Blacks" stance of racist landlords from a few decades ago: "Oh I'd love to sign you up, Mr Black Person, but I just used my last membership form".

As for good BNP links, I hope you've all seen this (actually for the interviews rather than the pics)? SuspectedReplicant 14:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Every black, asian and jewish person in the country should now sign up and elect only ethnic minorities to be their official candidates and local leaders, and vote for policies like a closer relationship with the EU etc. --Jeeves 14:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This constitution rewrite will probably increase the powers of the executive, allowing them to select their candidates without local approval and so forth. The next fight will be discrimination about the selections. Pi 14:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice idea Jeeves! (The "BNP gives up racism!" headline was more a joke, in case people were wondering :P.) Armondikov 15:40, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Replicant: That is probably the best webpage, ever, in the history of the interwebs. For example:

When people say the BNP is a fascist party, what do you think?

Fascist – I don’t understand that word.

Think of Nazi Germany, or 1930s Italy.

I can’t even remember when that happened really, but I’m against them anyway.

You’re against who?

The Germans. I know that sounds evil… I was brought up that way.

But not the Nazis?

No, I don’t agree with that at all.

What the f**king hell? Get idiots involved in politics and the BNP is what you end up with. Crundy 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A Whorehouse of Knowledge

I've been wanting to ask this for a while... Why do so many of you bother with aSK? Is it because PJR was a voice of (semi-)reason over at CP? If so, I'm afraid you're on to a loser. PJR is just as mad as any other YECretin and is never going to change his mind. He will always find time to point out the motes in your own eyes while ignoring the beams in his own. It looks like Human has finally got that, but there are still several people trying to engage PJR.

Please, I'd like to know what people are hoping to achieve. If there's a chance of making a difference then I'll finally create an account, but right now it seems as if there are several people banging their heads on the walls of PJR (et al)'s insanity with no hope of changing anything. SuspectedReplicant 14:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

'Cos aSoK is like CP used to be before the night of the blunt knives. Full of insane people who you could prod for lulz. It might not be productive, but it's more fun than wandalism. --Jeeves 14:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh. If it's mainly for the lulz then... okay. It seemed to be a bit more than that in many cases though - your demolition of PJR's "most attested event in history" idiocy was particularly fun to read. SuspectedReplicant 14:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Whilst we are on the topic of ASK, an idea floated on Human's talkpage is that we replace WIGO ASK with a more general WIGO Wikis, seeing as our trip abroad has allowed us to explore other horizons. Some suggestions included watching, Wikisynergy and WikiIndex, but we also had the failed CAM and Metapedia ones we could mix in. Throw in a few more we could have a little all purpose WIGO going that would allow us to ride out CPs fall a little easier. Pi 14:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. It seems like a great idea to me. There's not enough to keep the aSK WIGO ticking, but combining it with other storehouses of idiocy might help. SuspectedReplicant 14:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I participate at ASK from time to time because it's fun. I have no absolutely no hope of changing anybody's mind. If you believe something becasue of faith, how is reasoned argument going to change you mind? Obviously if you have faith then you must know that the argument must be wrong. But it's fun seeing the responses.

To answer the other point - yes, a generalised WIGO would be good. I'm not sure that WikiIndex would give much to report on in the long term though. It's only notable at the moment because of things associated with the RW server meltdown and the personalities who have temporally taken up lodging.--Bob M 14:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Definitely, anything that facilitates RW's scope expanding is good by me. CP, obviously, would stay separate for now, but the "wikisphere" would be a nice one to go with blogs and clogs. "Forumsphere" too perhaps, but that would require watching things a lot closer I reckon. Armondikov 15:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I walked away when I noticed the only people he was sysoping were from CP. I realised then that it wouldn't be a broader-based wiki than Conservapedia - it would inevitably end up repeating CP's mistakes. Totnesmartin 16:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

"looks like Human has finally got that" Well, really, I had it from the beginning. YECiots never change their "minds". All I do over at AWK is gawk, read the great comments people like Jeeves and Sterile and Bob make and laugh at PJR's twisted "logics". What happened last night was I came across a thing to quote to Philip, and finally figured out a way to word that diff to my user page.

As far as WIGOwikisphere, yeah, it's a great idea. It helps deal with say, wikiindex, being interesting only once in a while - it gives us a place to put the item of interest other than the saloon bar. Folding wigoAWK and wigo4R into it makes sense to me. Do we want to use "wikisphere"? PS, this also gives us a place to comment on user number 186's Ediocy on wikipedia. Great idea overall, whoever had it. Human 21:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm getting attached to "wikisphere", it sort of merges with the other two terms that are already in use. And of course, what happens with a wiki tends to be a lot different to forums and blogs so it warrants a separate arena. And of course, sometimes shit happens at Wikipedia too that's worth mentioning, but only people who are also regular WP editors will probably notice it. Armondikov 21:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's growing on me, too. Human 00:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

It'd give somewhere for Ed's WP stoopids too. Toast 00:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Scroll up three or so comments. But, yes, right now they sorta get lost at the SB. Human 00:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

What is going on in the wikisphere? has too good of a ring to it to pass up. Pi 00:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Now we have RW back, we should crack on and set this up. I see two options; Converting WIGO ASK to WIGO WikiSphere or start a new one and use WIGO ASK and WIGO 4R as archives? ^theist 15:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Best bible verse EVER

Hosea 9:7 "The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred." Javascap 16:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ...

Deu 17:2-7 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; And it be told thee, and thou hast heard [of it], and enquired diligently, and, behold, [it be] true, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, [even] that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you. [1].

Kektklik 23:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

So much for the loving tolerant god I was told to love as a kid. Javascap 23:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

You're thinking of Jesus... Kektklik 01:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

No, no, no, this is the best Bible verse ever: Ezekiel 23:20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

I raise that a bit, and bring in Teh Jebus, Matthew 15:-7, "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." That is one nice Jesus... ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ edits from 101.216.101.69 15:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

Actually a bit of archiving would be a good idea. I'm at 34% of my monthly bandwith now. I figure 50% by the 6th, which barring accidents, should leave with me enough to spare for the month - but cutting the page down wouldn't be a bad idea.--Bob M 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I've just shoved some into the archive, but with "Healthcare" being pretty massive but not particularly old, and stuck in the middle, it makes the cut off point a little difficult. Unless you're happy to say that 3rd Sept is old enough to say it's finished. Armondikov 19:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you should enable output compression on the server. It would save you quite some bandwith. Look into enabling zlib support in PHP. --79.30.235.165 20:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea. I did have a look at that and there are two problems. 1. I think it may be beyond my limited technical ability. 2. Looking at the instructions, I'm no sure that my service provider gives me sufficient access to make such changes.--Bob M 07:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it's on the cards and Bob will ask around for it at some point but probably has other things to do. Also, as I was feeling slightly bored and wanting to edit something (yes, Wikidot is right, editing wikis is addictive), I archived the healthcare one too. Probably screwing your bandwidth in the process by looking at the other archives to see what they were headed with. It'll all be over soon :) Armondikov 20:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bob, can you get rid of the background image on every page? Human 21:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The book background? That's about 7kb (the TP logo is 8 kb and the CC-BY-SA logo is 5kb) and is probably cached locally so it wouldn't make too much of a difference to what the server has to deal with I think. Armondikov 21:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

It's the 5th, we're at 40%, shouldn't be too much of a problem. It's been interesting to see how RW much chew bandwidth though.--Bob M 10:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

REWARD

I will pay $10,000 to anyone who can prove that Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young woman in 1990. 19:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Can I choose which young woman? --79.30.235.165 20:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The easiest thing to do would be to try and find the identity of the woman he allegedly raped and killed in 1990. If no possible rape victim can be found, it might not be true. 21:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

My day

I went to a funeral of a friend of my parents whom I have known since the 60s. Opposite the cemetery/crematorium there was a cafe called "Hell's Kitchen". Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 20:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

What an appropriate place to build a cafe called Hell's Kitchen. My condolensces. SuperJosh 17:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Was there an aggressive, wrinkle-faced ex-footballing chef taking his shirt off while talking to a camera? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 15:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiSynergy pulled down

http://www.wikisynergy.com/

"This site is being shut down. The reason is that the threat level to the founder is unacceptable. Threats have been made to attack the my reputation in real life. Although I believe that the friend who made the threats and then apologized will keep their word, that does not eliminate the threat from others. If even one of the several people who know who I really am make an accidental slip (as already happened once), I could be subject to a campaign of harassment and lies which will deeply effect my life. I had planned to continue my campaign to eliminate pseudoscience from the skeptical community, by providing a place where skeptics and believers could hash out their differences in a collegial environment. Still, there will be those whose ideas we debunk, because they are unscientific. The site is intrinsically a place for controversy and dispute. I know that in the future, the risk would only get worse. I cannot risk my real-world life, or my real-world material existence, in order to help the arena of fringe ideas progress to a higher level.

It is possible that the site may be put back up, so please watch this space. But as of now, WikiSynergy is gone." Human 03:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

What were the said comments? Theemperor 04:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Who knows, but some "people" were very heavy-handed in their demands that PS remove various things (mostly harmless) from the wiki. Sadly, PS acquiesced, which of course only invites more threatening behavior. Great, in two weeks we've killed how many wikis? Human 05:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Damn shame, too. Now, I fear, that my prediction about a certain green goose trashing RationalWiki instead of WS will come true. Now more than ever. Besides that, it wasn't really a bad wiki for promoting pseudosciences.Gooniepunk2005 05:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I liked the place and will miss it, I hope PS figures out a way to put it back up. I think PS is over-reacting a bit to lame threats from internet jerks. Oh, and Goonie, you think that lame goose is any match for the combined forces of the wikians that are rational? Human 05:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not!!! Especially with the numbers of syspos and 'crats we have, compared to the two that WikiSynergy had. I actually sent PS an e-mail telling him to feel free to join us at RationalWiki once it is back up.Gooniepunk2005 05:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Although now, as if it wasn't obvious anyways, I can, at least, admit my sock: I was the one known as "The Janitor." But I think everyone but goose poop caught that one.Gooniepunk2005 05:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

A shame. What was the stuff that some "people" wanted deleted? Or would that simply compound the problem? (Now I think about it I can make a good guess though.)--Bob M 06:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I just think the bullies got the better of her. They bullied, she acquiesced, so they bullied more. Assholes (sorry Bobwiki). I'm trying to communicate with her and get her over the paranoia hump if I can. Oh, and Goonie, you know PS is not a "he", don't you? And she's already on RW? Idea: Port all of WS to a namespace on RW for a bit where us tougher hombres and homgals can drive off the trolls? Human 07:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

There is something to be said for the power of the mob in resisting bullying. That's one reason Terry Koeckritz prefers to do it behind closed doors. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 09:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised at how abrupt the whole thing is. Oh, well. I'll have to put the thing about all the molecules going to one side of the room on RW at some point. Sterile 11:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I really really wanted to comment on that but I never found it again! It was a poor "example" since it's not possible - as soon as the molecules are even slightly "out of balance" the pressure will be higher in one area, making its molecules leave for the lower pressure area(s). Human 22:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you are right about that. My point was that even if we just use a simple model-assume that molecules are on one side of the room 50% of the time, how often will they be on one side, no real "chemistry" involved--that events like that just aren't going to happen (0.0000 ... 1 x 10²³ 0's 1% of the time, essentially never)--and, as you said, they would fly apart at a rate 100s of miles per second, such that in half a microsecond, we'd be back to normal. No paranormalsupernatural dude required. Sterile 02:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, that is sort of chemistry. It sounds like statistical thermodynamics, the model that explains why entropy always increases. But the numbers you'd need to quote would be powers of powers (possibly another "of powers" on top). :S Armondikov 18:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you don't. Entropy is an energy phenomenon, and the partition functions you imply are about energy. (An increase range of translational energy equates to an increased density of states, hence more available microstates and more entropy.) The two are clearly related, but the argument I was making was purely based on a probability argument. They amount to the same answer, but are slightly different. Sterile 18:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I have to point out that I hate thermodynamics. And I was taught stat-therm by a maniac, who, despite being an incredibly fun guy, can't teach for shit. So my understanding of it is pretty much limited to "you have more disordered states than ordered states, go figure". With any luck I'll never need to use it again. ^theist 15:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Porting to RW

Probably need to think about the things to be moved over. All the specific RW stuff and their archives obviously. I'll then delete them here.

Everything from the student Bar will need to be cleaned out, but I think I'll keep the page as there are some external links to it. I'll leave a note up for a couple of months with a link to RW saying it is now active. Also it might be a good idea to have a student bar anyway, though I'll need to disinfect it and refurbish it after the RW departure .

User accounts. I was thinking that these would be removed, but now that I think about it some more there is no obvious reason why they should be. If they are never used they will just disappear into wiki history after a time. So perhaps best to leave it up to individuals to put "retired" or just fade away or whatever. I think all the talk pages are going to magically copied over to RW. Is that correct?--Bob M 10:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I think Nx is going to merge the page histories before RW goes back online. Pi 10:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's time to start thinking about this.

• First I need you to put {{RW|export}} on all pages that should be moved to RationalWiki. Whether you want your userpage and user talk page moved over is up to you.
  • If you add your userpage to the export category it will replace your userpage at RationalWiki. Don't panic! The pre-crash history will remain intact, so you can revert to the pre-crash version.
• Next, there's the issue of differing usernames and page titles. I started listing those on my userpage, but stopped. You can help out with that, but please make sure the info is correct (and remember that wikis are case sensitive i.e. JeevesMkII and JeevesMKII are not the same thing - and if I import the edits with an incorrect username, the only way to reassign them is with manual database hacking). We don't need to rename them on the wiki, I can do that in the xml file with some search and replace.
• Then there's the archives that have been created here. It would be best to do those manually, with copy-paste (since archives contain no history anyway), so make sure they are not in the RW export category.
• Finally, there's the problem of edits while I'm doing the moving. Unless we coordinate things perfectly, I cannot really prevent edits to RationalWiki before I'm done with this. They are not a serious problem, but they will make things slightly more messed up. E.g. if someone replies on the RW saloon bar to a topic that has been there before the crash, after I merge the articles, the history will look like this:

history before crash -> new page: student bar -> history of student bar -> one edit which replaces student bar with the old saloon bar with the new post added

• Also, I'll lock all the articles in the export category before I start so that no edits get lost. Anyone who has a sysop account here please don't edit them.
• Once I've imported WIGO CP, I'll add the img tags. If you have a capture, just click the red img tag to get the file name and upload the image. When you upload it, please include the http address (right click - copy link address on the link before the img tag in the wigo entry) and put the image into Category:August 2009 Conservapedia screencaps (already exists) or Category:September 2009 Conservapedia screencaps (I'll create this one). Do not put the image into Category:Conservapedia screencaps - it took me half a day and 4000 edits to clean it up. Alternatively, ignore everything I said and leave it to me to fix things :)

@Bob:

• User accounts cannot be removed, unless their edits are reassigned to another user. Removing their edits would require serious surgery to your database, and would leave article histories completely messed up.
• I can run a bot to delete all the pages in the export category if you'd like.

Nx 11:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, if you bot can do it, fine. I'd like to keep (or if it's easier re-create) the student bar.--Bob M 14:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

That depends on whether you want the history hidden or visible to anyone. Nx 14:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Need to think about it. It would be nice for nostalgic reasons; on the other hand it really has no logical reason to be here. Probably be best to wipe it I suppose. :-( --Bob M 16:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm not sure it's a good idea to run a bot on it. I don't know what to do with user talk pages which are moved to RW for example. Should they also stay here? Nx 07:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I've just pulled all the archive pages out of the RW|Export and into just the RW category. The "active" talk pages are still in the RW|Export cat. What about the actual WIGO pages etc.? The vote formats won't necessarily blend in, or will we just archive out all the WIGO's with a separate page for what was done here and start fresh? Armondikov 12:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Because of the vote template, it's trivial to actually add the votecp tag to them with a search and replace. Have wigo entries been archived as well? Nx 12:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I see there's already an archive for WIGO CP. I'll unarchive the WIGO's before I move them to RW. Nx 13:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so I'll let you take care of that manually. I've added the RW template to the archive page anyway to make sure it doesn't get left behind. Armondikov 15:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Nx, when you are doing this, I think both wikis will need to be locked - or at least, not edited, as you point out. So I think it is best that until you are finished with the porting, RW not be visible. Archives: is there anyway to "skip" over the archive making (ie, large deletions from the bar, etc.) so all the "adding" edits are copied over but none of the "subtracting" ones? Then just run pibot so archives end up where they really should be? Because copying the ad hoc archive over from here is gonna make a mess. It sounds to me like you night have it figured out, I'm just asking. Human 22:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The problem is, I have to be able to see the wiki, which means you will be able to see it too. And it will be after midnight here when Trent comes home. As for archives, there's no way to do that, because with every edit the whole page is saved to the database. Archives should not be in the export category, we'll just move the contents of those to RationalWiki with copypaste, because they contain no valuable history. Nx 06:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

OK on the archives, I see. As far as editing while you are working, I'd suggest some big ugly banners saying "thou shalt not edit" while you work? Human 06:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

(EC)We could just use the site message to leave a note requesting nobody edits it during the transfer, although that would just invite vandals and trolls to come stuff it up. By the way was the site message used to create the intercom, because you can't have both at the same time? Pi 06:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be best if I de-sysop everybody but you so as to prevent accidental edits to sensitive pages?--Bob M 06:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It is your site, you can de-sysop everyone if you wish. Pi 06:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask Trent to lock the RW database (I can still import with mediawiki's command line tools), as for Teflpedia, I'll lock the export pages before I start. I don't think there's a need to desysop everyone here, and if a sysop edits a locked page worst case is that their edit will not be moved to RationalWiki. Nx 06:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Idiots Convention

Now this looks like fun. I have already planned my itinerary.

• How to stop abortions: a new approach (DVD: Maafa 21 & Discussion)
• How to deal with supremacist judges
• How to stop socialism in health care
• How to defend America vs. missile attack
• How the media can help us take back America
• How to recognize living under Nazis & Communists

Looks like a fun week. Pi 01:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Damn I want to attend that so badly! Really! Theemperor 01:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Aw, gee, I wonder why she didn't invite her prize idiot son to give an hour of monotonic moronicism that we could transcribe? Human 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Didn't we have a set of videos of him talking at one stage at things like this? Besides Aschlafly this convention have all my favourite clogoists. I would love to go to this. Pi 02:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Andy will be speaking at How to use the Internet effectively: Internet 101, as the creator of teh largest online Christian Conservative^tm encyclopedia. Theemperor 02:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? You had better not be yanking my chain. Pi 03:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

You've been yanked. Hey, we should send CUR! Human 03:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

We only have a few days to get him into the early bird registration. Where is he these days? I saw him over at wikiindex once. Pi 03:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I've been looking for to A Storehouse of Cheetahs, but to no avail. Theemperor 03:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory that it's Lumeniki. Phantom Hoover 08:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

No, that guy use to have a wiki on ScribbleFarm, a bit pre-CUR. Pi 08:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I think he's probably just retired from the wiki world, or he's socking on RW. As for "how to take back America"... a bunch of white, right-wing, McCarthyite, borderline racists saying the same thing over and over again: "Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama, Jesus, abortion, terrorism, Obama..." SuperJosh 11:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Bloody hell... "How to understand Islam"... I really hope someone puts videos of this clusterf*ck on the net. SuperJosh 11:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I bet no more than 10 minutes into the opening speech Phyllis Schlafly proves Godwin's Law and they don't return from that point for the rest of conference. I reckon I it will set new standards in Godwinian mechanics. Pi 11:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

SJ you don't know what you're talking about - you missed out homosexuality. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 14:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, they'll have to be bootlegged and mirrored because you can guarantee that if they posted them officially, the comments section would be down. But keeping an eye on this should be an RW specialty. At least for the politics junkies. Armondikov 19:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well it's definitely something we should try and get our grubby, left-wing hands on, as we did such a good job with Andy on Eagle Forum. SJ ^Debaser 10:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

50 Greatest Comedy Films

As voted by the British public. It was on telly last night and I caught the top 14 - I was pleased to see that the top 7 films were some of my personal favourites. Monty Python's Life of Brian came number one obviously - what else could it possibly have been!? - but I think Ghostbusters deserved a better spot than 24, especially with Bill Murray in the lead role. "I make it a rule never to get involved with posessed people... actually it's more of a guideline than a rule... wait, no, I can't, it sounds to me like there's all ready at least two people in there." SuperJosh 11:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A repeat I think. I saw it at least two years ago. Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 14:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

RationalWiki

Any chance that RationalWiki will come back soon? Proxima Centauri 14:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

No. It's gone forever. Don't bother checking back later. --Jeeves 14:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Trent got sued and is now in jail for the next 42 years. Now scurry back to Liberapedia and stay there. Theemperor 15:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

What went wrong? Where are the backups? I hope you're joking, I had trouble with Ratwiki but it will be sad if all that secular information vanishes from teh Innertubes. I know His Imperial Majesty is joking as it would take longer than a few weeks for a case to get to court. Proxima Centauri 15:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, when I was very mad at you, I wanted to delete you from RationalWiki and accidentally deleted everything, including the backups. Nx 15:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well little Nixie, that just shows you shouldn't do irrational things when you're angry. Proxima Centauri 16:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Moreover, after Trent was jailed the bailiffs claimed the server and backups and wiped them for resale. Phantom Hoover 18:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't the server burned by the FBI after they mistook it as a stash for Class A drugs? Armondikov 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It was impounded because of all the kitty porn. (I think I spelled that correctly) Ⓖⓔⓝⓖⓗⓘⓢ 19:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

WHOOT! Welcome Home!

HURRAH! YAY FOR TRENT!!! YAY FOR BOB!!! YAY FOR ACE!!! Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 23:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

what? Oh.. tomorrow. This'll be great. Silly Mr. Cat 23:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Yay! ħuman 23:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Could someone go to my monobook.js and delete the import'recentchanges.js'? I am kind of worried it is the problem. Cheers. Pi. 23:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

My long nightmare of productivity is over at last! Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 23:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I was doing so well at work, guess that's over now. Rad McCool (talk) 23:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL Shot info (talk) 00:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yay, it's about time we get back online. I like being back at a more familiar wiki.Lord of the Goons (talk) 00:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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Well that was a nice holiday but it's good to get back home. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 06:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, where I can finally add/edit all the stuff I was planning on doing while the site was down, but have since, naturally, forgotten... We should have kept a To Do list at Teflon. ^theist 14:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Javasca₧ the poodle of all ramen noodles! 14:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Recovery

The first thing we need to do is get re-indexed by search engines. If you have a blog or other dynamically updated site please consider picking your favorite RW page and tossing a link over our way to prod the bots. tmtoulouse 23:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Will this require fresh links or simply clicking on existing links? Either way, i can get some stuff rolling.-- -PalMD ^{--Unhand me, scoundrel!} 02:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The idea is to just post a blog post or something that google will index quickly with a link to an RW page, and hope that the bot following the link will realize the site is back up. tmtoulouse 02:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I googled Andrew Schlafly and we were nowhere to be seen. Sad. ħuman 03:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess I should remove my nasty public comments on Google now? Silly Mr. Cat 23:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

GENTLEMEN OPERATION BRAINS HAS BEGUN!!11!11 --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 23:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The over-written pages will need what was on them before the 8/19 or so diff that says "new page" copied to archives. ħuman 00:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Er, what's a wiki? What's this space for? What's a user page? I feels like an alternate reality. Sterile cardboard box 00:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, i got some new links up to get indexed. The first set went up on WCU last night, the next set goes up on science-based medicine this afternoon.-- -PalMD ^{--Unhand me, scoundrel!} 12:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The future

We really need to work out a way to prevent this happening next time Trent visits his homies. ħuman 03:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Trent, do you know what went wrong? -- Nx / talk 07:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Was it a MW fault, or h/ware? Shot info (talk) 08:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, if there's a physical thing wrong with the physical server, if you can't access the physical object, then you can't do much about it. It was probably just a minor issue that was compounded because Trent was away, short of giving his keys to someone nearby, there's probably not much you can do about it. ^theist 14:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It was a hardware issue, I have my suspicions, but no proof yet....I will be putting up a post in the next few days with some suggestions on what I think should be implemented to decrease the chances of this happening again. tmtoulouse 16:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

In the Garden of Eden

Going to redo the question I put up on Trent's blog. Would it have been right for Adam and Eve to destroy the tree of knowledge, as they were only told not to eat off of it? And please, use your imagination as to how to destroy it, I go with talking dinosaurs.--Tabris (talk) 03:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

They were trying to destroy it! They started by eating its fruit... next would come the twigs, branches, and roots. ħuman 04:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious? The only way to destry teh evil tree o' knowledge was to throw it deep into the fires of Mount Doom, in the Heart of Mordor, where the shadows lie... SJ ^Debaser 10:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

We're back just in time

Thank goodness we're back.... I almost died on Thursday and need my Rationalwiki support group. This week at the Auraria campus has been fall fest. It's a great little festival, with groups from all over campus setting up tables and trying to get members. During the course of the festival, I spoke to many different religious groups including Christians (Baptist, Methodist and Catholic (I royally pissed off the Catholic table by the way)) Jews (Reform and Orthodox) and Muslims. At the very end of the line, there was a table labeled Menorah Ministries. I had never heard about them, so I started looking at some of their literature. Turns out to be a Messianic Judaism group, which is fine. I start talking to the guy and can tell right away that he's a little.... we'll just say off. Anyway, so then I look down and see this piece of shit book on the table.] He saw the look on my face and said, I swear "This man is one of the most brilliant thinkers of our time." I almost choked to death on my own saliva. I got into a little mini argument with some of the problems is that book (I literally had him open to a random page and I just found the first fallacy and attacked it) He comes back with the whole "well, I guess you're proving him right" speech. I just responded by saying "I'm not an Atheist; I just like nonfiction books better." Then I left, still shaking. However, I do believe I got the last laugh; I wondered back over to the Orthodox Judaism table and casually mentioned what he was saying at his table. They were not happy and were talking about sending someone over to have a talk with him. If you read on the news that some Orthodox Jews beat the shit of a Menorah Ministries guy, you never saw me. SirChuckB^{Whatever happened to Skip It?} 09:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't conceive of the level of delusion required to conclude that Ray Comfort is a brilliant thinker. I'm fairly sure that guy requires medication. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 09:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The UK Amazon has the tag "arsewater" for "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Cant Make Him Think" (along with complaints that it isn't possible to give a negative number of star reviews). The man is clearly a military-grade fuckwit Silvermute (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It is a simple matter of perspective. If you were talking to Einstein and he was struck by lightning, instantly doubling his IQ would you notice any difference? All you have to be is one percent cleverer than someone and you look brilliant to them. Ray's arguments are brilliant. Atheists are wrong, they will instantly disagree and they will say false things; so by disagreeing with him you are proving him more right. - π 09:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Fairy tales

Some are over 2,600 years old. And some are from 4004 BCE ^(allegedly). Where's the difference? ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 11:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The difference: 2600 year old fairytales have no ASK and CP to "support" them and give us lulz. --Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The Atheist's Guide To Christmas

Thought I'd give a shout out to Ariane Sherine's next project following on from where the Atheist Bus Campaign left off, The Atheist's Guide to Christmas. 42 writers, entertainers, comedians and scientists all contribute, and it's a pretty impressive line-up: Richard Dawkins, Charlie Brooker, Ben Goldacre, Jenny Colgan, David Baddiel, Simon Singh, AC Grayling, Brian Cox and Richard Herring. And a few more that Ariane have said are writing. Believer or not, it'll probably be far, far more entertaining that You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence... or The Dawkins Delusion. ^theist 14:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommend. Even if it only had half the contributors and even if the profits were not going to a good cause it would still be essential reading. As it is I'll be bulk buying for Christmas stockings. Err.. solstice stockings. Err... It's bloody cold and we need an excuse to party stockings. Bob Soles (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Mrs Khant and I try and avoid these religious celebrations. We hide away in our yurt with some figgy pudding, a Colston Bassett and a mixed case of festive beverages. BTW we had a recent get together of friends and I decided to open one of my bottles of Croft '63 which I bought back in 1978. Twas delicious. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Holy bloomin' crap

Stumbled upon this website, and though it might interest the rest of the mob. That is a large stack of monies.... ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ current location: in-between the mediocre petroglyph 14:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

It's amazing, but I recall a reasonably old interview with a UK Chancellor or Shadow Chancellor or something, where the he said that when you get to this level, it pretty much stops being "real" money and becomes more of a concept. Which is sort of true, when a government pledges x million or billion to a cause, it's not like they're handing over that money, that instant, in cash, or even a cheque. It comes from different sources, goes different places, in different amounts at different times and it just gets confusing to think about (hence the comment that it's abstract and conceptual). But it's very interesting to see this much money visualised like this. ^theist 15:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Where's the next, biggest stack? The one that represents what Bush/Obama spent to bail out failed capitalists? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I would also have liked to see that... didn't Bush drop out 700 billion, and Obama 800 billion or so? Hmm... Javasca₧ In Soviet Russia, the cryptic wizard models YOU! 15:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

For completeness, I'd like to see stacks of the average salary next to stacks representing government income. That'd be an eye-opener for some people. Or maybe stacks of the poor people's stuff next to the stacks of the rich ones... I suppose it's a fairly simple calculation that you could, with the expertise, put into a javascript and hook it up to some visualisation... ^theist 15:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Am I imagining things? I'm pretty sure I posted this thing about six months ago. Oh well. :( Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this amazing?

The first thing we do upon returning to RW is... ban one another silly. ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ Banhammer, Renamer, and Goat 16:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Anyone like a dry sherry? The drinks are on me. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)