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Responding to questions of why he deleted the fossils article:

It was evolutionary propaganda. Joseph Goebbels and Hitler would have loved it if they had seen it. Perhaps, you might want to write an essay on evolutionary propaganda. Given the amount of evolutionary propaganda throughout history such an essay could rival Conservapedia's homosexuality article in length. —Consevative[1]

...Buwahahahaha! Oh, dear God, what a mighty TURD that was! Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:53, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

And if it were to rival homosexuality in length, that would be truly frightening. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:53, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Kendoll seems to be as obsessed with length as Aschalfly is with "getting it over with" (=conciseness) ħuman 00:33, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I think we can all understand why it is that Kenny Boy is obsessed with length. Also, perhaps girth. DogP 13:25, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Kenny's getting a bit loopy in his old age. Not only does he replace the loopy rant about Google on the front page, but he deletes it again, only to restore it yet again, killing someone else's entries in the process! The screaming movie quotes at the bottom are pretty funny though, although not in the way he meant, I'm sure. --Kels 14:32, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Chipster for breakfast

Whilst my liver is grateful that due to time zones I was sleepypoo while the debate was on, The Chipster has just made my morning with this "concise" piece of gibberish. Enemas are injected? That's a thought too horrible to contemplate before coffee. In other news... who won? --Strangle Thicket_{I just had to...} 01:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Give the boy a break--he didn't write that, he only copied it.--WJThomas 09:21, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

For the next debate do what I did for this one, get a bunch of friends and alot of alcohol. We divided into sides with the Obama's taking a shot every time he tied McCain to Bush and the McCain's taking taking one every time he talked about experience. It made for a fun time haha --BoredCPer 01:26, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Sounds good - I was drinking everytime either one used the word "and", but in the middle of Obama totally pwning, I got a phone call from a friend who "couldn't take it any more", so we barked at the moon in unison to random made up lyrics to "With a Little Help From My Friends". ħuman 01:38, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Been catching up on the early takes (h/t to Break the Terror and it seems as if a) McSame was pwned and b) he did plenty of ignorant lying himself. Be interesting to see how that gets spun over there... oh wait, they don't have to spin, they can block and revert. --Strangle Thicket_{I just had to...} 02:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Debate Reviews Here

Actually, I was disappointed in both of them. Obama turned in a pretty good performance, but he needs to learn how to lunge for the kill when an opportunity presents itself - at one point, McCain ended a comment about Obama's proposed tax policies with "Maybe you should ask him how he defines 'rich'". Obama's punchy debate-winning response should have been "My definition of rich would include being unsure of the number of houses I own", but he phaffed on about some crap or other and missed a golden opportunity. McCain did well though where he needed to, but is not as telegenic. Obama did well in looking Presidential and sounding intelligent, but when McCain described him as being far on the Left, I spurted a malty brew out my nose. McCain fluffed majorly though when he bumbled into claiming that both Petraeus and bin Laden defined the battleground as Iraq - after all, bin Laden said that after the US invaded Iraq - the battleground was always going to be wherever the US soldiers were. All in all, I call it a draw.

Now, stock up your booze cabinets for next Thursday's Palin-Biden festival. I'm hoping that Biden tears her limb from limb, but of course the hockey-mom defense may work well against the attack dog. In an ideal world we would see Palin blubbing and Biden spewing invective and "factual innacuracies". We'll see, but I'm sure it'll be top quality lulz. DogP 13:38, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

My impression was it was a "wash" with both candidates doing just okay. I think it was infinitely forgettable and so will have very little impact on the polls. Unless you buy into what some pundits have claimed, that Obama's major road block with undecided voters is that he is "not presidential enough" if that really is the case than a tie with McCain could start to have those undecideds fall into place for Obama.

I start believing polls the a week or so into October, that is when they start getting predictive value, that is when people start making their decisions. If the VP debate goes as expected I might start to get excited about this thing. tmtoulouse 13:46, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Dog about that "define rich" thing. Obama's response was "OK", but bland, when it could have been total pwnage. I concur on the draw, but I forget to score each round on the "ten point must"* system. (*Ask and I shall explain) ħuman 13:50, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

What the hell is going on at CP? Their debate summary is... an actual debate summary. It's fair and even-handed, with almost no cheap shots and only a slight lean. I am surprised, to say the least.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 21:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Be a homeskooled kid!

While I'm usually too mature to troll or do anything mean or discourteous ( seriously, unless I'm drunk, but I always feel bad afterwards ), I need to know how to sign up for Professor Andy's homeschool course. Does it cost money? I can write some funny satire about it and be able to retire? Teabag 06:25, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Answer can be found here Silly Mr. Cat 12:55, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

What would I have to do to get my karma back to even if I paid Andy $250 for his class? I don't think I could justify it, but it would be fun. 204.214.148.1 05:10, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

"Muslim pronounciation of Pakistan"

My God, we've hit a new depth in stupidity. That's right, Mr. Andy Schlafly--Muslims everywhere, from Egypt to Indonesia, from Nigeria to Qatar, from London to New York and from Iran to Pakistan Pokistan all pronounce their words the same, all the time.Moreover, this holds true no matter if they are speaking Arabic, Farsi, Dari, Pashto, Bengali, French, or English. You know what, Andy--if I'd had the chance to go to Yale and Harvard instead of the local community college where I did my undergrad, I probably would have taken the chance to get the world-class education that those institutions offered. You are a pathetic, ignorant idiot.PFoster 09:34, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

It's actually got me wondering, is Andy starting to believe his own hype? That is, does he actually believe Obama is a secret Muslim who's going to Destroy America and free all the Terrorists to go kill him and his family? I figure it all started as his attempt to be Karl Rove II, smearing him with whatever he can get because, well, he's the enemy. I can see that, and it's obvious the ones publicly supporting him like Bungler are on the smear train too, but it seems like Andy's actually starting to believe in it. --Kels 10:03, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

To determine how Christian you are, Andy takes the number of syllables it takes to pronounce the phrase "The Lord Jesus", divides by 4, and then multiplies by 100. Since Obama only says "The Lord Jee-zuss", he only gets a Christian Quotient of 100. Andy says "The Lord Juh-eez-uss" so he has a CQ of 125. But both of them are pikers compared to John Hagee, who says, "The Lord-uh Juh-HAY-eee-zuh-us" for a CQ of 200! Teresita 10:44, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Aw! My CQ is only 75! :( (Thlord Gee Zeus) --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 10:59, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Your unsubstantive, muslim pronunciation shows are obviously a liberal baby eater. Godspeed! Totnesmartin 11:34, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Sir, it is you who are the LIEberal, not I, as a Real True Christian (RTC) would not question my pronunciation of The Lord Thlord G. Zeus, thlord and saviour. Godspeed times infinity +1! --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 11:56, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

So if I say Lordy Jesus H Fucking Chrispy (nine syllables), does that make me some type of uberKristian? I sure hope not. weaseLOId~ 12:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Now see, right there, that's just sad. That's the reason Andy had to delete all the math articles. Teresita 12:25, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Weaseloid, I read that as "Uzbekistan" at first, and immediately thought "Yes, yes it does." --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 12:38, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

West! I say Pakistan. Does this mean I am a Muslim? 217.205.188.114 03:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The Talk page is again displaying a recent trend - Andy plonks some of his steaming piles of shit somewhere prominent, but nowadays he almost never, ever shows up to defend it. I doubt we'll see a single comment from him. He's spiralling ever inward into his own little bubble. Does he have friends who might call an intervention and get him into some therapy? DogP 12:40, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Does he have friends -- I can only think, "No. No he does not." PFoster 12:42, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

How many MDs does it take in the states to get someone committed?   ^Contribs_Talk 12:50, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

And can one of them be PalMD please? it would be delicious. Totnesmartin 12:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Somehow, it was always going to end up this way. Schlafly Jong Il slowly disappearing up is own arse as his empire warp speeds its way to laughable irrelevance. It's the inevitable destiny of an uncompromising ideology - they all go gaga in the end. What that Karl Marx said about history repeating itself? Totnesmartin 12:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I think if anyone could cause Marx to give up on humanism, it would be L. Ron Schlafly. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:04, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Back to topic a moment, but I always find it polite when people try to pronounce my name, or a city's name, or a nation's name the way it's pronounced by thsoe who live there. But I guess you can't be "America is always right", if you point out to americans that they are woefully ignorant in other cultures and languages and even mere pronunciations. And for what it's worth, Andy, Urdu is an indo-irainian language, not a "muslim" language (whatever that might be.) Silly rabbit, you debate like Sar--En attendant Godot_{"«I think like a genius, I write like a distinguished author, and I speak like a child. --V.Nabokov»} 13:09, 27 September 2008 (EDT)ah Palin.

I thought it was neat that he (Obama) actually bothered pronouncing it (close to) correctly. As someone who loves language, and the differences in things like pronunciation across languages, it insults me deeply that a moron like Schlafly could make it the subject of an idiotic smear. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:16, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

To be pedantic, it's completely normal for major placenames to have a standard pronunciation in other languages that differs from the local one (or indeed, from the variety of local ones in places with more than one widely-used language). Pseudomonas 04:59, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Obama was using one of those standard pronunciations, though. Both are acceptable in English. One just happens to sound closer to the native pronunciation. Sounds closer, mind. The proper pronunciation is more like "puck-ih-stun", with the "T" pronounced against the teeth instead of the soft palate ([paːkɪst̪aːn], for anyone who can read IPA). Obama's "pock-ih-ston" sounds closer to this than the alternative, but it's certainly not the Muslim pronunciation Pakistani's would use. Which makes Assfly's bullshit innuendo even more ridiculous than it is at face value.

Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with WfG. I think it's courteous of him to approximate the native pronunciation. Though, it's entirely possible he wasn't consciously trying to do that, and he really does just say it that way because that's how he learned it. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT) I don't mean to come off as a smart-ass, I just find this stuff fascinating...

Well many Americans tend to pronounce the capital of Russia (MossCOW) which is close to its true (well as true as you can get in a transliteration) Moskva. And as for having some uniform pronunciation across Muslim countries well I think that I have probably worked in more Muslim countries than anyone else on Conservapedia or RationalWiki (Algeria, Bangladesh, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Mauritania, and Pakistan) and can unequivocally state that there is no universal Muslim pronunciation. Генгис^unbelieving 08:01, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

It's amazing how stupid the idea of "Muslim pronunciation" is, even for Andy. He really does seem to be acting more crazy than usual. I also love the implication that Christian and Hindu Pakistanis must pronounce it differently from their Muslim neighbours. Or like Schlafly does. :p --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 08:27, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

It's just occurred to me that the vowel in question was probably not /ɒ/. What was it? Pseudomonas 08:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

/ɑ/, I think. Are you referring to Obama's pronunciation of Pakistan? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 08:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I was. The transliteration "pokiston" imagined in a London accent is bizarre in the extreme. Pseudomonas 08:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Pɒkistan is where pocks come from. PS: I see what happened. Sorry, my West Coast Canadian accent (if there is such a thing) doesn't distinguish /ɑ/ and /ɒ/, so I didn't consider the ambiguity of my transliteration choice. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 08:37, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately, the printout got cut off before it reached "Aschlafly"

Whenever you think Aschlafly has bottomed out in terms of stupidity, he finds a way to plunge to new depths Bondurant 09:03, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

How does he remember to breathe? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 09:24, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but how does he pronounce "Nicaragua"? That's how we can tell if somebody is un-American or not. Secret Squirrel 09:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The answer will prove once and for all that Obama is Spanish. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 09:24, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

"The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plane..." I've this weird dream of Prof. Higgins paging A. Schlafly... --LArron 09:35, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

(ok, folks, cover your ears -or eyes, as it is- cause i have to yell. I have to get this off my chest even though others have stated it far better than I. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MUSLIM LANGUAGE. MUSLIMS COME IN ALL SHAPES, COLORS AND LANGUAGES!!!!!!!!!! SECOND, PAKISTAN IS NOT AN ARABIC WORD. GROLWS... (ok, done, sorry)--En attendant Godot_{"«I think like a genius, I write like a distinguished author, and I speak like a child. --V.Nabokov»} 11:56, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Harbinger

Doesn't this guy know ANYTHING? obviously a noob. Bannination coutndown in 3...2....1 DogP 13:42, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Even better... basically, "I'm not going to address this "must be addressed" bit, but I'll grab the upper hand by making it look like you sweared your head off in a rant. Shame we check the diffs, "minor" is too strong a word. (Oh, and naturally this looks like it'll be a 90/10 job. Stick me down for £5 that it's the reason given.ArmondikoV^pathetic 14:48, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

And to continue, his comment on the pronounciation thing is brilliant, I'm starting to like this guy; which one of you guys is it :P ? ArmondikoV^pathetic 14:52, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

The staggering predictability of it all is tedious. DogP 15:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

And he's down. for "intimidating behavior" no less. Luckily my irony meter packed up long ago. Totnesmartin 15:16, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm more concerned about this edit which Foxtrot reverted for "unacceptable language" and then blocked the editor for "intimidating behaviour/harassment". What part of that post was unacceptable language? it can't be "bigot" because Conservapedia has an article on bigotry. Ditto paranoia. Kennedy? Pope? No, CP has articles on both of those too. So where the inappropriate language? weaseLOId~ 20:18, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey kids. I was Harbinger on Conservapedia, for the day or so that it lasted anyway. I saw that one of my other CP accounts, "Redoubt" (my edits were bit more checkered in their "brilliance" on that 'un, but who's keeping score, right?) was mentioned here so put I Harbinger and RationalWiki in the old Googler and presto, an Italian word! And for the record, I've been banned 8 times from CP. I'm really not even trying to infiltrate it anymore, because I'd rather just McVeigh their servers someday. 24.3.14.157 18:28, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler vs TerryK

Five bucks on Bugler coming out swinging with a block and a revert for this--BoredCPer 14:38, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, if he just quietly reverts, he's not a very smart parodist, that's for sure. He should say something pompous first. --Kels 14:41, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

In from his blind spot comes Foxtrot to handle the bannination duties. DogP 14:59, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

OPERATIONS GRASS ROOTS AND FORTESSES HAVE BEGUN!!! I REPEAT, OPERATIONS GRASS ROOTS AND FORTESSES HAVE BEGUN!!!!!

did you say something, Ken? Also--I see that he's learned to protect his message pages after AliceBG got to yesterday's missive. Clever.PFoster 17:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I got a screenshot, but I'm gonna wait and see if he makes any big additions to it before I post. --Kels 18:03, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC -- stupid Kels :P)Don't panick, everyone! Luckily for all of us, a contact of mine has acquired a copy of Ken's hypersecret notebook, so I can break down the details of these operations for you all. Here goes:

• Operation Grassroots: Ken tells a website about his atheism article. They do not respond.
• Operation Fortesses: Ken tells a website about his atheism article. They do not respond.

Now let's get cracking on our plans for counter-attack while there's still time, people. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 18:07, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm saving the versions at User:SusanG/Gentlemen for what it's worth. but it's getting boring.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:07, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Agreed.--Antifly 18:11, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, Ken's off his game lately. He needs to ramp up the crazy, maybe add a few copyrighted images with wacky captions or something, spice it up a bit! --Kels 18:12, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflict)For posterity. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:09, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Gotta' love those "fortesses". : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:09, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

"...the various operations for the atheism article were a smashing success in terms of the web traffic generated don't you think?"

That "traffic" was my clickbots, you dip! I'm feeling mightily underappreciated here. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:11, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, apparently it's TOO LATE!!!! Operations have begun. Gentlemen, I suggest we declare defeat and quietly disband. I know when I'm licked _{all over}.PFoster 18:21, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I woke up to an earth shattering KABOOM this morning, must have been Ken's operation in full swing. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 18:49, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Im now getting: Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occurred: ""The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.For assistance, contact your network support team.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Kens operation must be so extreme it blew the server. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 18:54, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Well I am shocked and awed, congratulations on your mission accomplished Ken. tmtoulouse 18:57, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I am on the other side of the world and everyone here is talking about Conservapedias Atheism article. Its all over the papers and the TV. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:01, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

If he added a picture of Hitller to his messages it would be good. DRamon points out Ken's dumbness. Meanwhile, an open invitation has been thrown down.

Well, he was bloody retarded with that block - bye DorothyL!   ^Contribs_Talk 19:31, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Snif. Bye Dorothy, you'll be sorely missed! Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 19:35, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, oh. It looks like Ken's starting to doubt himself. Stay strong, Ken! Post five or six more Hitler pics on the front page, maybe some stuff from the camps, you'll feel better. --Kels 19:41, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Stuck it on your WIGO, Kels.   ^Contribs_Talk 19:49, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

But this is so sudden! --Kels 19:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Not at all, I've always secretly lusted after your WIGO.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:00, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

And you went and stuck an entry in it, without my consent! I feel so...so...violated! --Kels 20:03, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

mmmmmmmm violation. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 20:04, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

"...and one moving violation." --Kels 20:12, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought you'd prefer it stuck in at the back end. Shall I take it out & stick it in at the front?   ^Contribs_Talk 20:17, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, I usually don't like it at that end, but it seems surprisingly comfortable there. Maybe next time. --Kels 20:21, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Besides, you know you'd have to boil it first. ;D --Kels 20:30, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

's OK it's plastic!   ^Contribs_Talk 20:38, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Operation Guesses!

The only thing in the universe more dense than a black hole is Ken. In contrast his latest "Operations" have as much weight behind them as a photon.

My guess is, both Operation Grapenuts and Operation FORTRAN are just Ken continuing his usual "Blow jobs for links" strategy, but with fancy new names. What do I win? --Kels 18:05, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Regardless of what they are Sarah Palin would have called them: "Buster Taint Palin" and "Khaki Salmon Palin" plans. tmtoulouse 18:15, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Way to go, Kenny-boy! Some random guy endorsed the articles you told him to in a brief and underwhelming essay buried deep within the bowels of a rambling website in a section no one would ever find if you didn't link to it specifically. They were so impressed they added Conservapedia to their endorsed links section!

Oh. Wait a minute. No they didn't. DickTurpis 18:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I have a guess. It's much like the Nigerian money scam, only instead of asking to send money, it's "pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease look at my artiklez." DickTurpis 18:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

We scarcely need to guess. Operation grassroots is where he reads his homosexuality articles and masturbates. Operation fortess is where he sticks a rather large dildo up his arse. Concerned women for America (You know, all those women who are actually men) are extremely interested in this. --JeevesMkII 18:28, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken - my guess is that Operation Fortess is you, lying on your back, with a banana shoved up your arse. Operation Grassroots is probably you taking a picture of that and submitting it to ebaumsworld.com. Am I correct? (I don't want the banana as a prize). DogP 19:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Just ignore it. He's only doing it for attention. The more we comment on it, the more he'll keep doing it. Another vacant message to us gentlemen, another half a dozen minor edits to swap a few words & correct his spelling, another vapid picture or pointless link to an inane YouTube video. Last time it was a clip from Field of Dreams. Next time, maybe Animal House or Mrs Doubtfire. Who knows. 20:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Lemme get this straight. Every time we comment on his posts, it encourages him to do it more, making himself look like a fool, CP look incredibly unprofessional, and Andy look even more incompetent and ineffectual. Remind me why we shouldn't comment again? --Kels 20:32, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Meh. You have a good point. Continue. weaseLOId~ 20:40, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

If we ignore the red telephone next time, it might prompt him to try something even more ridiculous to get our attention. weaseLOId~ 20:43, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Satire?

Does anybody see the "satire" in this? (Direct [link)   ^Contribs_Talk 20:42, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

It appears that Ken couldn't either on second thoughts.  ^Contribs_Talk 20:45, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

No, I couldn't see anything coherent or intelligent in that, let alone anything connected with evolution. Thanks for wasting 80 seconds of my life, though. weaseLOId~ 20:47, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

You do realize he's deleted that damn thing and recreated it about four times so far, right? I expect it'll be back eventually. --Kels 21:00, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

HAHAHA!! He's gone and burned the whole main page and recreated it! So do we go with the "Ken's embarrassed that we're making fun of him" or "Ken is such an incompetent he can only fix a minor formatting issue with THE BIGGEST FUCKING HAMMER HE CAN FIND". Either way, Ken loses. What fun! --Kels 21:03, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I see! His latest jiggery pokery seems to have wiped out all the images on the right side. And since he just nuked the history, he can't go back and see which one of his 500 edits to that paragraph fucked it up. Nice going, Ken! --Kels 21:06, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I like his deletion comment that "content refused to change technical problem". Not that Ken created a technical problem he couldn't figure out. No, the content itself was being obstinate & refusing to co-operate. weaseLOId~ 21:08, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

My Gods, but this is priceless! Ken, if hitting it with a hammer doesn't work, HITTING IT AGAIN WON'T FIX IT! --Kels 21:10, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Ohhhhhhhhhh I am so using that at my next committee meeting! Look, professors, it is not might fault my paper is not written, the content is being obstinate and not appearing on the page. tmtoulouse 21:17, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Human intercourse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't human intercourse mean conversation and interaction and stuff, not necessarily sex? Maybe Foxtrot's fantasizing about sex with Human? --Kels 21:08, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

No, there was definitely an article there very recently about actual sex and how to do it. Obviously it didn't last last without being deleted. weaseLOId~ 21:11, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but why not actually replace it with an article about what the term means, instead of just redirecting to sex? Oh yeah, that's what encyclopedias do. --Kels 21:12, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I was wrong, the article I was thinking of was human reproduction. Regarding redirects, 'sex', 'sexual', 'penis' and 'vagina' all redirect to the gender article, which doesn't say anything about any of them. weaseLOId~ 21:15, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Can you imagine if kids grew up and all they knew about sex was this? Hrm, what takes place in marriage? Arguments? Joint accounts? Tax exemptions? Is sexual intercourse am obscure part of the tax code? No, wait. Actually, I already know. --JeevesMkII 21:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe more like this. weaseLOId~ 12:27, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

If home-schoolers want to know about straight sex, CP is as vague as episodes of the 1960s television show Bewitched were about that. But if they want to know about male-male anal sex, they not only get that in more detail than anyone wanted to know, but they get full color microphotographs of the flora and fauna of the colon as well. Teresita 21:46, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

You beat me to it Jeeves... Priceless.--Antifly 21:50, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm impressed they managed to grow up to the point of being able to write "sexuality" yet alone have an article with "intercourse" written on it. So, has anyone popped up about how it's pure filth and doesn't belong on the family friendly encyclopedia yet? I remember one like that from a while ago that shot the Poe meter to pieces. But it all comes down to what has been said before, CP has about 12,000 words dedicated to explaining to girls why they shouldn't have abortions, but shit all telling them how they'd get pregnant in the first place.

Also, can you imagine that because they wouldn't know what sex is, they could be doing it all the time but just some manipulative bastard is telling them that it isn't sex? Then they'll get pregnant and very truthfully claim that they've never done it therefore their child would be immaculately concieved! The mind boggles, really. ArmondikoV^pathetic 09:46, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Conservative deceit

The tendency to "clean" page histories through mass deletion is getting annoying. Should we start thinking about "screen capturing" diff links as standard operating procedure? tmtoulouse 21:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

It won't affect server space?   ^Contribs_Talk 21:31, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

1/2 Terrabyte of storage, £40. A million screenshots of Conservapedia, 15GB. Remembering that time when Andy made an arse out of himself? Priceless. --JeevesMkII 21:41, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Meh, I am not worried about the storage it is more the practical issues. My immediate thought is to create a template that dual links one to the CP link one to a local image of the link. Ideally, we would automate the screen grabs, some sort of bot that would follow all CP links screen capture, upload and then replace the link with our template. Maybe this is too cumbersome a solution but that is my idea. tmtoulouse 22:04, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Wait, is this why he's editing and undoing all the time? Silly Mr. Cat 22:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

He They delete and recreate without history quite often to obviate searches and links to embarrassing events. The editing/re-editing is just Ken's incompetence.   ^Contribs_Talk 22:17, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

It's kind of like pounding the side of a TV to make it work, Ken's basically trying to fix something he presumably fucked up earlier in the evening by hitting it with a hammer. And if that doesn't work, hit it again! --Kels 22:23, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Pounding on TVs must be kind of a lost art now no one has CRTs any more. The difference between pounding on a TV and what Ken does is that often pounding on it was an efficacious fix for a loose connection. What Kenny boy does is more like pounding on an LCD. --JeevesMkII 22:37, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

More like putting his foot through an LCD, to be honest. --Kels 22:47, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

When I was a kid, pounding on a TV to make it work was called an "American repair". --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 10:30, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

So do I figure out how to generate automated screen shots of WIGO links or nay? tmtoulouse 00:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought your idea had great merit. ħuman 00:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Well hot damn, looks like it is possible to automate the screen grabs. So before I barrel ahead anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc? tmtoulouse 03:22, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, thousands, of course. What was your question? Aren't you gonna beta it first, so I can whine about what I really wanted it to do? ħuman 03:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah, who needs beta, I am just going to turn it loose and upload hundreds of images to the wiki! The question is how do we want to deal with the screen grabs, I assume we want to keep the link to cp, not just replace it with a screen grab. Do we do some sort of dual link like I suggested or what? tmtoulouse 03:35, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I mean look at this Image:Capture test04.png fully automated screen grab and upload, but not just any screen grab, it is cropped down to just the diff table. It is a thing of automative beauty I tell ya! tmtoulouse 03:40, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

That is shit hot Trent I can't believe you can do that. I assume that as you automatically grab screen shots you can also do something as mundane as putting them in category as WIGOCP month year or something. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 05:35, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Very cool. And, yes, ideally any difflink to CP gets converted to the difflink and a link to the automated screencap, as you said. How about "category:conservapedia screencaps" for simplicity? So, how to format the "new" link? Add ^img after the link as the text for the link to the screencap? ħuman 14:09, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Why you need screen crap robot? Entire Conserpapedia is huge pile of screen crap already!

And here I was thinking "wow! using those square bracket thingies does some really cool stuff on here" when tmtoulouse added another layer to my finely honed inferiority complex. I have no idea how you did that, but I'm impressed. By all means implement and I'll leave the nagging about feature creep to those who know what they're talking about. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:28, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

The thing that occurs to me about all this burning of histories, is that a) it's relatively easy to induce, and b) it presumably prevents easy reversion to previous, perhaps less humorous, versions. Pseudomonas 05:06, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

What is worth grabbing

Okay, I got most of the kinks worked out and am ready to start grabbing, my question is what is worth grabbing? Links in wigo often include whole articles or talk pages, do we really want to SS the whole pages? What about logs? Do we just want diffs? Most of it is pretty straight forward, but what seems pointless to me is when people are linking to 3-4 successive page IDs of evolution or Schlafly's talk page. 16:18, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

They can't hide logs but they roll over quickly if there is enough activity so we may need them. Diffs and permanent links are going to be needed as with enough ridicule the thin skinned (Ed and Ken) will delete a page. The pages themselves aren't needed as if we want a specific copy place are permanent link. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 20:53, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Images again

Where do you start with this one? --Kels 22:46, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Which bit the guy almost getting kicked in the nuts or the cute soccer girl bit? Thankfully it is not from Ed. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:49, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I was thinking of the trustworthy sourcing, but yeah the whole thing's pretty funny. --Kels 23:01, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't forget the creative captioning.--Antifly 23:05, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't think he knows his cute soccer girl's a LESBIAN though. Who's gonna tell him?   ^Contribs_Talk 23:21, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Wait—what? I don't see a girl anywhere in those pictures. What are you all talking about? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:15, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Look at where it says "source" on the CP page. ħuman 00:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

PS, I see two energetic men about to become much less so... ħuman 00:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for this, I nearly spat pie all over the keyboard while laughing. I'd expect that sort of thing here but I didn't think Conservapedia had a sense of humour that they were aware of. ArmondikoV^pathetic 09:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Maths again

Foxtrot has another offering which is interesting. Apparently numerical calculations are tainted. Does anyone know much about Foxtrot he seems to know a lot about higher mathematics and is interested in it, but succeeds in being grossly ignorant about basics and has poorly formed ideas? $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:23, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't know anything about Foxtrot, but I would agree with your comment and add that his applied/pure mathematics definitions are exactly what you would expect from a creationist. Sometimes the dictionary doesn't give you the right answer...--Antifly 23:39, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I have a Poe headache. cp:Pure mathematics, coupled with Foxtrot's contributions to cp:Soccer (above), seem totally like the work of a not-so-subtle wandal. But I thought Foxtrot was for real? and if he weren't, would he really blow it this way? --Marty 04:44, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

At least he is not a liar, as our "pi" is. You sign as a perfect "pi" while in reality you are just a crude approximation (3.14159). That's an error of almost one in a million! Shame on you. ;-) Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 04:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

It is an approx pi my signature. Set your preferences to always render png. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 04:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

What the hell that's the worst definition of pure mathematics I've ever seen. While there's less emphasis on numerical calculation, there sure is a lot of it.Shangrala 12:43, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Roger has been reading? $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:38, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure numerical calculations are listed as "unclean" in Deuteronomy ... yes, pretty sure about that. Just like all the other stuff chosen at random, like camels and mixed-fabric clothing - numerical calculations fit well into that list. Etc 06:00, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Armageddon!

The PJR v Bungler saga gets really interesting - I think he (Bungler) has really nailed his colours to the parodist mast now.   ^Contribs_Talk 09:17, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

The most interesting aspect is that they are arguing over one of Andy's edits, so he won't be able to hide under the covers until it all blows over...--Antifly 09:21, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy has ignored arguments on his own talkpage in the past. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 09:23, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC) Sure he will ignore it--he'll come home from church, write a thought-piece on "Liberal X" and pretend like the whole thing never happened. PFoster 09:25, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Has anyone noticed that Bugler has started to call Andy the "Leader of Conservapedia" or "Leader" for short with the capital L. Sure parodist. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 09:37, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

If he starts calling him "Dear Leader", that will be fantastic. weaseLOId~ 09:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps Bugler can print up the CP commandments in a little red book and mail them out to the sysops. Teresita 11:01, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler wouldn't know what the Commandments were if you beat him in the face with them. JazzMan 14:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

PJR vs Bugler

This has to be the finest fight yet. Outcomes?

Bugler finally is outed as parodist

1. Safe money's on number three, though I was never much for gambling. But if this pony wins, man, you should see the odds Vegas is giving. "And in all of this, on the wild shores of Raymentland, it is Bugler who is the miscreant." Can't you just picture the Snidely Whiplash moustache? Pure pantomime -- so very British. The man is a genius. If he's not a parodist, he's probably clinically insane. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 10:15, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy sides with Bugler causing PJR to leave

1. This option's getting lonely, so I'll take it. It would make a lot of sense, given what PJR's been through there in the past. Hey, if being a prima donna works for the Koward and JM, maybe it'll work for PJR too. --Kels 10:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
2. (EC)Again, the smaht money is on option 3, but don't count this out. Andy has been on his knees in front of Bugler for a while now. PJR can be a bit of a pain in the ass, and might very well have had enough if Andy doesn't take a stand on this. PFoster 10:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy sides with Bugler but PJR doesn't leave

1. I think that, since it was one of Andy's 'Obama is a Muslim' edits that Phil removed, Andy is bound to side with Bugler & reinstate the 'Muslim pronunciation of Pokistan' thing somewhere (at least on the Obama article, if not on Main Page news). I doubt that PJR will quit CP over this one thing, but it might be another major PJR & Andy confrontation, like the Pope's view of evolution thing. weaseLOId~ 10:51, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

They fight over two or three pages until this blows over causing even further deep seated resentment

1. This is what normally happens. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 09:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
2. Oh noes, another poll. But I just can't help myself... Bondurant 10:37, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
3. But Bungler'll keep on sniping at PJR until he finally snaps & banhammers him making Andy finally take notice.   ^Contribs_Talk 10:43, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Poo

1. My vote. ħuman 23:26, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

They exchange snippy remarks before Bugler finally is forced to let it go, perhaps after whining some more. They are both admonished lightly about behaving, and things return to the same way they were before.

1. Inevitable.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 10:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
2. It makes for entertaining reading (and Buggerer has really let rip this time), but I don't think it'll amount to much more than a bit of bickering (and Buggerer blocking anybody who steps in) between the two of them. Andy won't intervene, as it would involve him having to actually exercise some sort of control and management over there, both of which he's clearly useless at. It'll be interesting to see how PJR reacts to that last insult, knowing he can't block Buggerer effectively. It's an interesting gameplan launched by him, but I can't see how alienating everybody will help... oh wait... isn't that what all the sysops do anyway? Come on Booger - block PJR - I DARE you. --Strangle Thicket_{I just had to...} 11:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

They solve the dispute peacefully and apologize to each other.

You do realise that these polls on CP behaviour are self defeating prophecies? If we say "X" they're bound to say "Y" out of contrariness.   ^Contribs_Talk 10:46, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

HE (bungler) has just pushed the irony meter one notch further by creating "courtesy"   ^Contribs_Talk 10:51, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Whoa! weaseLOId~ 10:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, I've been called a lot of bad things in my life, but "Australian?!?" Them's fighting words. 10:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Hell of a gamble for him, given that going after PJR, the most "reasonable" of the bunch, is exactly what a parodist would want to do, and take that last vestige of sanity out of the place (even if he's only sane some of the time). Doing it by defending Andy's BS "news" item/smear is smart enough, but it creates a very real impression of deliberate parody. --Kels 11:05, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I just like the irony that this is between two people (on opposite sides of the planet, no less) who don't even have a say in who wins the White House- arguing about the Presidency while their respective missiles cross in flight over us. Ooooooohhhhh, aaaaaaaahhhhh! Kallium 12:08, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

{indent}I really don't know how Bungler manages it (if indeed that is his intention) - once again he has managed to sow discord amongst the acolytes (no doubt allowing him and Andy to smack down dissenting voices and remove more editors from the blog), dent the image of a sysop in Brother Leader's eyes and increase his own shares with BL. He's either Andy's sock or playing Andy like a cheap violin. Personally, I despise the "thing" that is Bugler, but whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes has my respect. You are a master. (The alternative - the he is a real person - is actually too horrible to contemplate.) --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:38, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

"Pokistan" back

"...improperly censored," says Beloved Leader. PFoster 11:45, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Predictably, Andy sides with the parodist. So the question is, is PJR gonna grow some, or is he just going to slink off and let Bugler's stock on CP rise even further? --Kels 12:15, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

He'll fuck off! (straw/camel's back)  ^Contribs_Talk 12:20, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Nah. He'll do what everybody else does - shrug his shoulders, think "what a mad wanker" (or whatever YEC Baptists think) and carry on. It must gall him that Andy sided with Bugler though, especially as everybody there, except Andy, seems to know he (Bugler that is) is a parodist. PJR is one of those who needs CP more than it needs him - like all the other mad wanker sysops. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:45, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Imagine, Barack Obama pronouncing Pokiston the way Pokistonis do (I heard a Pokistoni on the Dave Ross show the other day, so I know). The next thing you know, Barack will start pronouncing other words like "nuclear" the way they do in furrin countries, and not like we do here in Amurrica. Teresita 15:06, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

And of course the million dollar question is when will someone tell Andy that "Muslim" isn't a language, and therefore there can't be a "Muslim" pronunciation of anything. Also, one might make his head explode by telling him that when Arabic speaking Christians pray, they use the Arabic name for God which is "Allah." Therefore, according to Andy Arabic speaking Christians are really Muslims. Stile4aly 16:09, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

He's already been told that several times, and that "Pakistan" is an Urdu word, not an Arabic one. It doesn't matter, this is Andy's very own smear machine and facts have no influence on it. --Kels 16:34, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Does that make it a rationalwiki insight that Obama is in fact a Hindu? --JeevesMkII 19:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I shudder to think of what Andy means in this edit. Is he planning on running with this one? --Kels 20:06, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

He seems to have hit on a brilliant plan for spreading his gospel of nonsense. Step one: have an "insight" (i.e. pull a prejudice out of your ass). Step two: post said insight on CP to "test" the insight (i.e. ban anyone who objects citing censorship until people stop complaining). Step three: write secondary articles expanding your prejudices, when asked for evidence, cite the insight (the survival of which is a testament to its veracity). Operation circlejerk: complete.--Antifly 21:08, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I think Antifly just about nailed it. That should be added to our assfly article. ħuman 23:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Is it just me, or is PJR being rather cheeky here? I mean, unless he means "liberal spin" in a different way than the established CP standard...?

This is probably the most bizarre to date... anyway, I didn't see the debate with Obama allegedly saying "pokiston", there certainly isn't Pootube video of it that I can find so it much just be in Andy's imagination. Besides, Obama has an accent where he basically would pronounce it closer to pokiston compared to, say, myself with my shorter and less rounded a vowels that make it sound more like pAAkistAAn? ArmondikoV^pathetic 09:58, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

It was the recent presidential debate. The pronunciation thing had to do with Obama going with one of two legitimate ways of saying "Pakistan" in English. I don't think it had anything to do with his accent (the vowel wasn't a rounded one, anyway). Hey, what is Obama's accent? Or, at least what is it closest to? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 10:43, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I think this is that moment for me where one becomes convinced of something beyond a shadow of a doubt. I've always believed that ASchlafly was weird and crazy, but there was always a figurativeness to that belief. Now, the veil is lifted. I am positively convinced that he is mentally ill in the extreme. And, for the record, was is with "Pokistan"? The "Muslim pronounciation" that I hear is "Pwakistan". Anybody else hear that "W" in there? --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Save me Tsisnaajini!} 10:41, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The Apocalypse of Andrew Schlafly! --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 10:46, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy final word's the subject and quotes a source that gives Pokistan (sort of) as a viable alternative.   ^Contribs_Talk 12:06, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Well of course, duh. you might be right, which would make me look bad, so before you get a chance to really look things up and PROVE you are right, stop talking already. Gosh, the world would be so much better if people shut the hell up and just did my bidding and accepted me as thier Lord and Savior, I swear!--En attendant Godot_{"«I think like a genius, I write like a distinguished author, and I speak like a child. --V.Nabokov»} 12:10, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Phase two has begun! Perhaps "Operation Buttress?"--13:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Every day is "Operation Buttress" at Conservapedia... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Let's teach a little French to Andy

I was very amused seeing that even PJR is not creationist enough for Andy here.

Andy finally gave up inserting the translation "more than one hypothesis" in the article, but added a link to a website which defends this translation.

As a French, I can confirm that this translation is stupid. Yes, in "Plus que une hypothèse" ("que une" => "qu'une"; although these contraction are not facultative in French, here I separate words for clarity) "Plus que" can be translated as "More than", and "une" can mean "a" or "one".

But there is a simple way to disambiguate. The trick is to look at more than one word at once (I didn't say it's so simple that creationists could do it). In French, we have two expressions for "more than": "plus de" means "superior in quantity"; "plus que", "superior in quality".

So, assuming JP2 knew French better than Andy (which I have no doubt on), the pope did say "evolution is more than a hypothesis". Barraki 12:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Your liberal French fools nobody here. Open your mind and you shall see that the Pope meant exactly what Asclafly wants him to have meant. Godspeed. Bondurant 12:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Given that Andy's been making this particular argument (and getting schooled on it) for years, I doubt he's teachable at all. This was one of his hobby horses back in the old talk.origins days, well before CP even existed. --Kels 12:57, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, at the time of the Big Bang, Andy used to listen contradictory arguments. Too bad Andy thinks the universe is younger than the Big Bang. Barraki 13:01, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

French wasn't one of the things I wouldn't have expected to be better at than Andy. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 17:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

HelpJazz vs. Bugler

Now, after bitching at PJR, Bugler has returned to his old foe Helpjazz. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 15:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure how Bugler was "schooled" by Phillip--Andy basically said that he was right and called Phil a liberal censor. PFoster 16:00, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

No, you're right. But he is slamming into HelpJazz again and Andy is just an ineffectual moron, unable to moderate his own blog. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 16:04, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler's finally hit the TK event horizon, where he's so locked in with Andy that no matter what sort of shit he pulls on the editors and sysops, it won't affect his position at all. He's clearly testing limits here today, and finding that they're much bigger than any of us expected. --Kels 16:37, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy isnt going to do shit unless HenryS, DeanS, Ed Poor and everyone comes to him about Bugler, then he'll have to. And unlike TK I cant see Bugler ever challenging Andys ownership of the site. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 16:41, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I think Bugler is now well established as a parodist. I mean, I know Phil has actively called him a parodist several times, as has HelpJazz... and the other major players seem to be avoiding him. I think Andy has hit a paradoxical wall of inaction. If he steps in and outs Bugler as a parodist, he's admitting that all the praise and rights heaped on him were misplaced, something Andy can't stand (being fooled by that liberal deceit and all). So I think everyone is resigned to just accepting him and hoping he does something big enough to be actionable without having to admit it publicly. Kind of like what happened with MexMax and Samwell (and I think a few others as well) SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 17:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

And so goes the downfall of CP. Drive out the sane ones, then drive out the marginally sane ones, eventually all you've got is Andy, Karajou, DeanS and Conservative, with JM off doing things the rest don't care about, and Bugler alienating and driving off pretty much anyone who wants to make an actual encyclopedia. Lovely! --Kels 17:16, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken's asking bungler a strange (pointed?) question.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:04, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I can answer that one: Remember one of Ken's previous "operations" where spammed loads of people in the UK over his Atheism droolings? I think he is hoping that Bugler will stroke his, uh, ego. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 20:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Aaaah! Of course, silly me!   ^Contribs_Talk 20:24, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

No no, not silly. Just misguided. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 20:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) this was posted on WIGO, but without the really funny sidebit. After Andy made his second Fuck You Phillip post, he corrected the punctuation... Perhaps we should tell the great educator (with the world's largest pre college homeschool class) that periods go on the inside of the quotation marks... What a fucking moron. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 22:07, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Or even better tell him that us Brits put full stops (periods to you) outside the parentheses. So he's not wrong - he's unAmerican   ^Contribs_Talk 23:30, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Not to rain on the Andy bashing parade, but he's okay to do that, unless he's actually quoting someone. In this case I think he's just emphasising what he believes is Obama's supposed Islamist phonology. eg.: Andrew Schafly is really "smart". --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:47, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I think TurdBurglar's answer to Ken gives away his parodist credentials. Saying that he probably discovered CP on the Grauniad website is surely a gross slip. First what would he be doing randomly reading the Grauniad if he was so conservative (and not in a UK party political way) in the first place and all mentions of CP that I have seen in the Grauniad has always been to mock and deride it. No, in character Bugler would be a Daily Mail reader or Telegraph at the outside. He's getting too cocky and his guard is starting to slip. Генгис^unbelieving 11:54, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

There seem to be plenty of references to Conservapedia in the Guardian, so it's concievable. Very bizarre choice of paper for someone who's now editing CP. Died-in-the-wool-conservatives hate The Guardian almost more that your wooly-liberals hate The Daily Heil Mail. And he certainly doesn't appear to have the IQ to be able to stomach The Times. ArmondikoV^pathetic 12:02, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken, WE DONT CARE

We get almost as good of a laugh out of Ken's shout-out as Richard Dawkins does when thinking about how creationists, and their little websites, are somehow going to tip-over the volumes of actual research that takes place every year by actual scientists at actual universities.

Now just what the fuck does ken want? Take a serious guess about his operation? OK, I think its a plan to fellate yourself. Am I close? Idiot. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 21:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I feel slighted. Mine were serious guesses. --Kels 21:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Is he married, does he have children? What the hell is wrong with him? No one gives a fuck about his grossly fallicious articles. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 21:22, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I think Ken has made a mis calculation, he has confused our interest in the fact that he makes these stupid messages with interest in what the messages actually say. Ken keep doing it, we get a real kick out of it, but don't think we actually care about the message content. 24.141.255.97 21:25, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey Kels! You got a shoutout from Ken himself! Can I have one too pleeeeease Ken! Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 21:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I got it! I know why Ken is doing these shout outs. If you look at his replies to Alice on his talk page it is obvious he is looking for new ideas and is betting on us giving them to him. --BoredCPer 21:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, oh, oh! Ken! Can you comment on my guess, you know the one. The one about wanking? --JeevesMkII 21:33, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

LOL I can picture him furiously trying to figure out how logs can be used to boost CP traffic...--Antifly 21:37, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Aww, I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for the big sap. He's like the fat kid none of the other kids'll play with because he's always talking about boring stuff. Here you go, Ken, I guess your Operation Grapenuts or whatever will have your article getting a mention in someone's e-book. Be happy! --Kels 21:43, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

How old is he? He acts about 13 - 14 but he's been around too long.   ^Contribs_Talk 21:44, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Tsk, Kels. Don;t be so bitter. You've been promoted to honorary gentleman status. Surely that makes up for some of the disappointment of losing out in the great guess what pathetic thing Ken DeMeyer is doing now sweepstake? --JeevesMkII 21:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Decades of feminism has led us to this point. I'm a little misty. --Kels 21:49, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Reminds me of Huck Finn on Jim: "he were white inside."-caius (soldier) 22:55, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

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Grassroots is obviously a local level thing, so maybe there is some community group is so hard up for a speaker that they invited Ken to talk and he is going to beat off over his article in front of the local CWA. End result a few old ladies, who don't have great analytic abilities, will have their creationist views reinforced. A fortress in terms of evolution would be a university, so maybe there is some student bible group is so hard up for a speaker that they invited Ken to talk and he is going to beat off over his article in front of the local EU. End result a few fundie students, who don't have great analytic abilities, will have their creationist views reinforced. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:41, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I like how he now locks to talkpage on his shout out and images so we can't make fun of him over there. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:46, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

If grassroots is something more expansive then that it is not grassroots now is it dip shit. You need to work on your operations names. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:33, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I think 3.14 just cracked the Ken Code: very well reasoned.-caius (soldier) 22:49, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken is like a cryptic crossword written by a child. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:53, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

@Susan (and anyone who doesn't know). I think we have previously established that Ken is 45 (or maybe 46 now) and still lives with his parents. Генгис^unbelieving 12:00, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken Quote-Mines a Video

Watch these videos Caius posted, because our wiki shits on Ken's

Epic fail, buddy. [2] [3]-caius (soldier) 23:13, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

To answer the question Dawkins was asked see; Blount, Borland, and Lenski (2008), "Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli". Ken this is what you fail to understand this argument is not won with who is the best quote miner or who has the most web traffic, it is won by the person with the best quality evidence. Now Blount et al. is one of thousands of papers published ever year which support evolution because when actual research take place, which involves moving away from your computer in your lounge room, the evidence is more than a few picture grabs. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I've argued before that Ken argues like it was a game, of rock paper scissors, say, as if a debate was won by stating propositions that are self-evident and needn't be defended. Obviously, debating the merits of something like science is a little more complicated than throwing down your scissors and expecting everyone to understand it and recognize its authority.-caius (soldier) 23:24, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

The other day Ken was going on about how evolution was losing support with the American public and how CP was winning the internet, but he fails to see that it is not winning any ground academically. The Discovery Institute has been an epic fail. No creationist is ever going to receive a research grant and none of this is due to bias as they cry but because there is no evidence, beyond Ken's quote mine level, supporting it. As Andy said "the beauty of truth is it is true no matter how much people deny it" the irony is it actual applies against Ken and him. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:29, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, assfly does the same thing - he thinks science is a courtroom, where if he can get a "gotcha", he wins, end of story. Sadly, so sadly, he does not understand how science actually works. And probably never will. Reference: The "devil's mountain" silliness at talk origins. ħuman 23:33, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Science may be courtroom like in that process matters more than the answer. But in oversimplifying the process to a game of "gotcha," that's where Schlafly goes astray in both law and science.-caius (soldier) 23:39, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah but Andy gets most of his understanding about court cases from Perry Mason as he has never been in a courtroom, what can you expect. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:46, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, at Caius. At Pi, can you please kill the flashing sig? I keep getting epileptic seizures, which makes editing more difficult. ħuman 00:02, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Mowse attack Human. MWAHAHAHAHA! $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 00:08, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll re-upload some of those mowsey pikchers next time I flatten one, 'k? ħuman 00:15, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Better? User $\approx$$\pi$ 00:11, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, yeah, but there's still a bunch of flashing lights all over my screen that I didn't sign up for :( ħuman 00:15, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Ah, man (or woman) I loves me a flashing mowsie. Looks like some kind of strange mowsie xmas tree!--En attendant Godot_{"«I think like a genius, I write like a distinguished author, and I speak like a child. --V.Nabokov»} 00:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken again

He's still talking. Over the course of the red telephone series, I've gone from amused, to ambivalent, to annoyed, to almost pitying. I mean, this is his sad existence. He is the laughing stock of everywhere he sticks his head. They don't even really like him over at Conservapedia. There's something perversely quixotic about him, and I almost feel bad for him every time he posts one of these things, since it seems like his only form of communication with other people. Then I read it, am exposed to his aggressive ignorance, and my sympathy is strained. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 03:08, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

What I always find fascinating about Ken is almost pathetic attempts to sound intelligent when he writes. He fails to under stand that it is the content of you write not how you write it. So academia is becoming more casualised, it doesn't matter how much they lower the bar the would never let Ken and his ilk in. I don't know where he expects intellectual discourse to take place, it is not in books as they are just a popularity contest. It is certainly not the internet, the lack of any accountability or peer review means that it is packed to the brim with quacks like, well Ken. Looks like academia is here to stay and your poor intellectual position, and your article packed with every logical fallacy you care to name, will always remain impotent. - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 03:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken where in the article is the evidence for the lack of transitional life forms, all I could find were quotes? - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 03:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

He would make a fascinating psychological study. He reminds me of Gareth from The Office (UK BBC) fantasising about war games, espionage, etc. It seems so childish and is certainly pitiable. Does he think this site is engaging him? As far as I can tell the only attention this site is giving him is to openly mock and laugh at him and to preserve his bizarre, menatlly unstable messages for the world to see. StarFish 03:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT) 03:32, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The saddest part of all is he thinks he is winning some game. - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 03:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Holy shit... he IS Gareth! That is an absolutely perfect characterization!--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 03:55, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

"The Discovery Institute has been an epic fail."

From Pi's post earlier up there.

No, it hasn't!

This is what academia and science completely fail to grasp. Think about it. What are The Discovery Institute's aims? The same, essentially, as any other science group, to discover the truth through the scientific study of evidence and the drawing up of conclusions, hypotheses and theories based on that study?

Of course not.

It's the search for and manipulation of evidence that backs up their Bible-derived conclusions, hypotheses and theories, the partisan politicisation of science, and, most importantly the invention and promotion of the evolution controversy.

In this they have been undeniably successful.

That academia and science resolutely refuse to accept this is one of the reasons for this success. Ajkgordon 05:01, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I see your point. I mistook the Discovery Institute as serious academic undertaking not opinion pushers. - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 08:16, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Take a look at this, their infamous "Wedge Document", preceded by a "defense" of it. Example: "we are challenging the philosophy of scientific materialism, not science itself." Except that their phrases like "teach the controversy" are used specifically to misrepresent the vast majority of the scientific community, not to mention their efforts to base science on court decisions. If they aren't fundamentalists as they claim, it's an amazing coincidence how much they sound and act like they are. Kallium 09:06, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Gentleman Conservative

First of it is Gentleman, singular, even then you are assuming I am male but I will treat your statement as gender neutral. "Just because ... does not mean I am not a member of academia or will not soon be a member of academia". Really? What university are you teaching/studying at that allows arguments from authority and quote mining pass for academic rigour. If I handed up something as a half baked as your three pet articles to my supervisors (obviously I wouldn't as a mathematician) they should rightfully have a fit at me. There are members of academia who are creationist, that doesn't surprise me, there are a full spectrum of people as there should be. However if you think your intellectual deficient thesis on evolution should be submitted for a biology degree they should be in their full rights to award you the degree as it over looks even the most basic tenants of science, e.g; evidence. - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 08:16, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll hazard a guess that Ken made an attempt at university of some sort but never made it there, probably failed first year (it's easy to do). Since then he's basically gotten by on posturing and pretending, as we see in every single one of his writings, where he attempts to wear the trappings of intelligence but without any of the substance to go with it. Ken, you are a pretender, no matter how much coy "plausible deniability" you try to snow people with. The only person you're fooling is yourself. --Kels 11:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

For those that never knew or have forgotten - Ken was previously known on Wikipedia as kdbuffalo. The first two letters being his initials and buffalo signifying that he was in Buffalo N.Y. His sockpuppetry and ban evasions showed that he used multiple IPs from the library at the State University of New at Buffalo. So maybe this is the academia he is referring to. Генгис^unbelieving 12:20, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe he cleans their toilets (possibly even as a job), and uses their library in his spare time? --Kels 12:27, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I certainly wouldn't preclude him spending a lot of time in the men's toilets, but it's highly unlikely that George Michael would visit that neck of the woods. Генгис^unbelieving 12:29, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Dancing Queen

JamesP's wandalism, while crass, was funny enough to merit a screenshot.--Antifly 09:53, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh yeah, that's real wandalism at it's best! ArmondikoV^pathetic 12:04, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

• See next but one below - some edit conflicting?   ^Contribs_Talk 12:33, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

No EC, the edits are a good 5 minutes apart. My "insight" was simply passed over...sniff-Antifly 13:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Capturebot

Anyone that wants to comment the "beta" version of Capturebot just finished a run using User:Capturebot/wigo you can goto that page to see how it would work. tmtoulouse 02:20, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Doing well Trent. Can you fine up the cataloging to the month, otherwise as superb effort as always. - User $\approx$$\pi$_{For best results always render PNG} 02:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

First class!   ^Contribs_Talk 07:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Great! --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:33, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm being a bit dense here (not as dense as some, however) but I assume Capturebot semi-automatically screencaps stuff on CP to preserve it? ArmondikoV^pathetic 09:39, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Depending on what is meant by "semi-automatically" the answer is, yes. tmtoulouse 11:44, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

ArmondikoV - does your denseness extend to being unable to read what has been posted higher up this page? ;)
Trent, this is sterling work that you are doing! Генгис^unbelieving 12:24, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Mr. James P, please take a bow

Conservapedia editor conservative dons his dress and does an Irish Jig to celebrate his evolution article reaching 19...no 20...the top 25...actually just for showing up at all in a google search!

That's lulz we can believe in, my friends. Bjones 09:58, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Piccies here and here   ^Contribs_Talk 10:04, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

And for good measure the actual thing on the right!   ^Contribs_Talk 11:19, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

You'll have to return that .gif it its rightful owner. If word got out about Conservapedia's love of young girls in short skirts... ArmondikoV^pathetic 12:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Can you smell that a block is cooking?

Norman seems a little too on top of things this morning. The Dear Leader indicated that was his FINAL reply. By pointing out that his FINAL reply is bullshit, you are engaging in last wordism and talk,talk,talk. GODSPEED! Bjones 12:01, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Time to fire up the quote generator to see if it can predict the outcome correctly then :S ArmondikoV^pathetic 12:07, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I added a reference to the Muslim debacle this morning, and keep trying to see if I can get a fairly realistic answer out of it so we don't need to even bother reading the real one. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:50, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

First he begs to be embarrassed by questioning if an obviously conservative columnist is really conservative, and then tosses a softball about the pronunciation of "Pakistan" over the middle of the plate. I tried to resist responding - but - couldn't - fight - urge - to - call - out - stupidity. So yeah, I'm expecting a 90/10 block, because those were so inviting that I kept hearing Admiral Akbar shouting "It's a trap!" even as I typed my responses. --SpinyNorman 12:27, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

As to the first, I think he was serious there. Andy would consider the ghost of Saint Ronnie himself a filthy Liberal if he mouthed even the mildest criticism of a Conservative candidate. It doesn't matter what their credentials are, what they've done, or how deep into the Conservative cause they are, the moment they become a liability to Andy's view of the world it's under the bus they go! --Kels 12:35, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

You nailed it Kels. When determining Liberal or Conservative via the Andy scale, history, overall worldview, positions, etc are not important. The only thing that matters is whether or not Andy agrees with your published statment at that moment. This is a great example, as is John McCain. Before he was the nominee, he was a dirty liberal socialist. Now that he's the Republican candidate, he's a damn fine war hero conservative maverick. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 12:43, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm still trying to figure out why being a "maverick" is supposed to be a good thing in a President. Aren't Presidents supposed to actually work with people rather than randomly go off on their own? --Kels 13:16, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The only person who could change Schlafly's mind is Mother Schlafly. She could vote Marxist-Leninist and he'd still say she was the paragon of conservative wisdom. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:53, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Straight out of left field...--Antifly 13:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, classic Andy. The "Reply" is to an unrelated downstream statement, instead of his "final word" being handed back to him. --SpinyNorman 13:51, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I have a horrible sinking feeling from reading his reply that Andy's next crusade is going to be to prove that them Ay-rabs didn't invent our numerical system. All it'll take is one of his insights to dispel millenia of liberal numerical deceit. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:36, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

What are you talking about Psy? You're clueless. Everyone knows that the "arabic" numerals were invented by Christians while they had a brief stopover in the holy land during those pesky crusades. It's also well known (to anyone with an open mind) that his scratchings in the dirt were found by a "moslem" and stolen from the him. Only God could use his divine influence to tach those. This would have been exposed a long time ago but the liberals and their atheistic affirmative action prevent teaching this. TEACH THE CONTROVERSY SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 15:09, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

You know, the comment about Andy saying that Ol' Ronnie was a filthy librul reminds me of the family guy episode where Peter's dad meets the Pope. The Pope says Peter's an okay guy and well, he's the frickin' pope so it must be true. Peter's dad's response: "You've gone soft ya bastard!!". I could even imagine doing the voice if I hadn't already heard his rather deadly serious and scary tone in a youtube video. ArmondikoV^pathetic 17:38, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

More Bugler Fun

Apparently, Andy is not interested in having a conversation about Bugler. Bjones 15:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

As AliceBG is about to find out after this comment... --SpinyNorman 15:27, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

This isn't quite Wigoworthy, but how funny is it that while Bugler is attacking Alice about her spelling, he uses the wrong tense. I guess the article is constantly being recreated, therefore it is always in the present tense. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 17:12, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

But in an art gallery one would say 'This painting is by Rembrandt'. Bugler probably was complimenting Alice's prose as being beyond the moment. Fretfulporpentine 17:21, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

The mask slips!--Antifly 17:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but by Andy's logic a lot of things make sense: [4]

Instructions per new bot

Seems to be some confusion, nothing changes in how you make wigo items, the bot adds the img=on tag when it has uploaded all the screen captures, this "turns on" the image tags. Just add wigo like always, only worry about the poll tag. tmtoulouse 15:47, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Sweet... That clears everything up with me... Thanks SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 16:04, 29 September 2008 (EDT)