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Question 9

I love this question. My answer would be to tell the bitch to shut the fuck up if she's knows what's good for her. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 21:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I like to sit at the wing emergency door window, so.... I'd have a empty seat next to me to put some of my work on! ħuman 22:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Invent a time machine, so you can go back and check in online and pick your own seat. Then you'll have $500 and a time machine. Economic or what? Of course, the moral of this story is to sit next to the Assfly on a 'plane and moan constantly about the million dollars you lost at the RNC somewhere in Rush Limbaugh's back fat. Also, I love that he's getting his kids to write his lectures now as part of the homework. I can't decide if it's a stealth economics lesson, or if he's just a lazy fuck. Oh, no, wait. Yes I can. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a trick question. Economically, it makes sense to tell her to stuff it, but that wouldn't be chivalrous. The correct answer is to give her 50 bucks so long as she promises to shut her piehole.--WJThomas (talk) 22:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

and make cookies for the boys Cantabrigian (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The answer is that no one is likely to be in the situation described, any more than it is likely that a UFO will land in 5 minutes and demand a parent to choose which child will be taken away by it. It's silly to speculate on a scenario that will never happen. The Sensitive Man (talk) 23:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 23:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Continue work at the lavatory. Didn't someone mentioned the greatest ideas often come while someone is in the toilet? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 00:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that was in Back to the Future. - π 00:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Doc was mending his sink, he fell off, banged his head and... when I came too, I... had a vision. Of this! The flux capacitor!

Oh, and in answer to the woman question, I says to her I says "Shut the fuck up, it's five fuckin' bucks and I've gots to do my essay!" Or I could put in my iPod and completely ignore her. SJ ^Debaser 10:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I love these little insights into Schlafly's life (which they surely are). We had similar things with the desperate smoker or the lost $40 in his cp:Conservative parables. They obviously have made a lasting impression on him. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 10:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I fixed your link so that others can enjoy the "parables". Cantabrigian (talk) 12:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

They can be read here as well. - π 12:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Question 6

Question 6 is awesome too. Here is my answer:

• Matthew 22:21
  They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
  Now, give Caesar the f***ing building permit (Kent Hovind)!
• Luke 12:33
  Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
  Luke 18:22
  Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
  Why isn't Andy selling his stuff yet?
• Mark 11:24
  Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
  I guess we should pray for knowledge from an incarnation of an omniscient being (who by definition knows everything, and praying is free) instead of paying you to to take a course in Economics, Andy.

There, all three Synoptic Gospels covered. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 00:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Matthew doesn't count. In Matthew Jesus tells his followers to follow every Jewish law to the letter. We ignore that one. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 04:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Q 4

"That good or service could be a World Series ticket (a good) or a famous autograph (a service), or anything else you can think of." His examples suck so bad. Since when did an autograph become a "service"? And attending a ball game, which is the "good" a ticket represents, is really a "service". ħuman 00:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless you intend to frame the ticket and say, "Hey look, I went to the world series that year!" Too bad you only get the stub back as proof of purchase. The autograph may become a service if you tape it as the person signs it. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 00:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, modern tickets are bought on-line and printed on your own computer (the bar code is all that matters). But I think "premier" events also sell "souvenir" tickets with pretty colors and logos. Those would, at least, be "goods", just like the scorecards one can buy at a game and fill in as it plays out. ħuman 01:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Better examples might include goods such as poorly printed knockoff jerseys sold by touts outside the stadium, and services such as a blowjob in the carpark from an itinerant hooker. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Perfect examples, Jeeves. Also, one could then analyze the competition between crappy knock-off jerseys sold by "outside the stadium" shills and the "real thing" sold for 8 times the price indoors. Bad money driving out good? As far as the hookers, is there any competition for their services in the ballpark? "Get your peanuts here! Get your ice-cold beer! Blowjobs on a waiting list, Sheila will be on this aisle in ten minutes, get your order in now!" ħuman 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The example I was taught was that a company that manufactured airplanes provided a good, while the airline company that flew you provided a service. Obviously I went to the wrong college. --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 04:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What is it considered if the hooker sells you a condom to go with the blowjob? Does that counts as goods and services? SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 04:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a sales promotion, attempting to upgrade the customer to a fuck? IE, the condom is not a "good" unless the customer takes the promotional item and uses it to increase the level of the service provided? A smart hooker would not sell the condom, they'd offer it as a freebie enticement to the "higher" level of service. ħuman 04:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It counts as a good only if you keep the condom. But then who knows what that'll be good for, especially used? On the other hand, condoms used to have intercourse with celebrities may be able to sell at a high price... if you can validate the authenticity of it. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 04:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

In the old days you used to wash them and use them again. (Before my time though.) Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 10:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

To Human, what if the Condom is officially the only sale. For example, to get around prositution laws, some hookers sell condoms (at a very high price) and then willingly engage in sexual activities with the person.... How do we classify that transaction? And to K.... There are consumable goods which are not kept. For example, groceries, alcohol, things of that nature. Those would be goods. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 16:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC) PS, something I just realized, our little jokey discussion is a better economics lesson than Assfly's.... and he's getting money for his.

Hehe, true. Of course, a random talk page on this wiki is probably "a better economics lesson than Assfly's". Hell, a random fricking lolcat probably is, too. ħuman 00:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose the difference between dining out (service) and ordering take-out (good) is you can decide when/where to consume your takeout. If you don't get the analogy, by keeping the condom you may want to use it again/frame it/do whatever else? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 14:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Question 12

Just - what? Gah! Words fail me, etc. Cantabrigian (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

See Conservapedia:Scarcity. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 16:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Even if you step into the bizarro world of CP, where the Bible literally happened, am I wrong in thinking that the multiplication of the loaves and the fishes actually suggest that scarcity does, indeed, inherently exist, as it took the direct intervention of God, in his earthly incarnation of his own son, to get around the problem of scarcity? 92.17.230.219 19:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Aren't miracles scarce by definition? larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 19:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

main page clusterfuck

I know TK is a parodist and all (which I know for a fact actually - he has all but admitted it to me) but the main page clusterfuck bullshit that he had a hand in has left my mind reeling. A picture of Bill Clinton in Seoul (note: South Korea is a democratic ally of the US) followed by a note stating that Bill Clinton is heading to North Korea to save the journalists in an act of appeasment (As opposed to bombing the shit out of them for two journalists?) and how, because John Kerry is involved, it will fail!. UPDATE Bill Clinton succeds! HURRAH!! Boo! Boo! Clinton paid a ransom, Boo!.
Complete and utter clusterfuck. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 23:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Since DeanS stopped his tender-loving care, it has been on a down hill slope; especially since Ken took an interest in politics which he approaches with his usual style. I often wonder if Andy looks at his mainpage and thinks about what became of his dream of a high quality, conservative encyclopaedia. I bet you can't prove TK said it though. - π 23:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Although it's easy to imagine he never looks at it and just trusts his acolytes to keep it flying, he does have to go to it, or at least half of it, to update his brag numbers. The truh will set you free! ħuman 23:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

(EC) When one can say, with all honesty, that Mr. Schlafly's latest essay with its 80% error rate is a cut above all the others in accuracy, I seriously doubt he is having thoughts of that sort. ListenerX^TalkerX 23:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

We were saying the Bugler was a parodist quite regularly but they didn't pay much attention to it. When TK finally comes out it'll be one hell of a day. ^theist 13:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Cash for Clunkers

Right, because there aren't any other used cars except for new ones from dealers. Kallium^talk 02:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Idiots. Since the program requires the trade in get worse than 18 mpg, all the used Civics and Proteges and Sentras are still out there. It's mostly gonna take a lot of shitty 10-15 year old SUVs off the road, I would imagine. ħuman 02:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of economics, what's the point of an old gas-guzzler clunker anyway if you can't afford to fuel it? Kallium^talk 02:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know how long they are doing this for? Is it indefinite? My car definitely qualifies as a clunker, but I'd really like to push it until it's unusable, which won't happen for several more months. --PitchBlackMind (talk) 03:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It's budget-limited. They budgeted a billion $, and the happy US public who put off buying cars burnt through that in a week (roughly 250k car purchases). Bill is moving thru the whorehouse (no offense to sex workers) to add a couple billion more to the program. This strikes me as the most popular gubmint program ever, ever, ever. Clunker has to be: less than 18 mpg, newer than '92 or so, and registered and insured for the past year. ħuman 03:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks for the info. My car hits all those requirements, on top of being an utter piece of shit that I probably couldn't give away. Hopefully they approve the new funds for it, it would help me out quite a bit. --PitchBlackMind (talk) 03:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Google it, or just drop on by your local friendly efficient car dealership for details! Can you afford a car payment? ħuman 04:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to look into it more later today. I'd like to get a hybrid or something else that's super fuel efficient. I think I could afford the payments without having to spend $75 a week on gas like I do now. --PitchBlackMind (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah? 02 Civic lx 5 spd gets something like 39 mpg and goes for less than $7k. 2002 Toyota Prius gets something like 41 mpg and also goes for less than $7k :-) 17:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's great, but the Cash for Clunkers program only applies to the purchase of a NEW car. Sorry. HollowPsycho (talk) 05:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Mike Malloy on Glenn Beck

Wow, nice to see my man on the CP main page. That quote was on last night's show. Hell, they could run the whole borken news page by just quoting Mike... ħuman 02:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not really a good thing IMO. One of the reasons I don't like Talk-show hosts and partisan bloggers (from either side) is because of hateful rhetoric like that. Of course they should know better then to judge an entire ideology by what one person is spewing. --Passerby25 (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's why I gave up on AirAmerica. Despite my agreement with its views, it had all of the flaws of right wing radio -- rumor reported as fact, directed towards the opposition, etc etc etc. Al Franken and Rachel Maddow were good, but they moved on to bigger things. MDB (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

At least he only wants Beck put on a suicide watch, he's not inciting murder ;) Malloy is pretty over-the-top a lot of the time. If you want someone calmer and less incendiary, Thom Hartmann is a good listen. He regularly has lib't or cons. guests, debates respectfully, lets them say their piece, and has a policy of not allowing people to "argue with" callers or guests who are no longer on line to defend themselves. I used to enjoy the old Seder/Garaofolo show, too. Franken was good until his foil left the show. ħuman 20:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot Seder/Garafolo. They were good. I've listened to Thom Hartmann, occasionally, too. Mike Malloy, though, drove me up a wall. MDB (talk) 21:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Ed : science :: oil : water

I thought I saw some mention of this elsewhere, but I just have to comment:

• "The "big" particles like the electron and proton are still "fundamental" to chemistry, even if they in turn are composed of smaller particles."

If Ed were such a good chemistry student, he would not group electrons and protons as "big" as protons are 1836 times as massive. He would also not call electrons "big" as they are in fact less massive than quarks. He would also not use the term "big" as they have no definite size. He would also not suddenly employ a different definition of "fundamental", as his sentence currently translates as "electrons and protons are still fundamental even if they are not." He would not do these things, if Ed were such a good chemistry student. Kallium^talk 02:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

You actually expect Creepy Cousin Ed to actually explain something resembling a rational thought? All he ever does is make my head hurt in lieu of scaring the children--Tabris (talk) 03:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I would actually expect it... if Ed were such a good chemistry student, as he claims. It goes to show that as in particle physics, where "fundamental" and "elementary" are synonymous, his knowledge of science fundamentals is likewise elementary. I just find it annoying when people consider themselves great teachers but fail to demonstrate even a high-school level understanding of "their" subjects (yeah, I know... it's CP we're talking about). My degree is in biology, but I have had thirteen college chemistry courses, five semesters as a tutor, and have taught pieces of it in high school classes, so it bugs me to find so many gaping flaws from a so-called educator who simply passes them off as "avoiding unnecessary complications". What Ed needs to wake up to is that simplification, which is necessary, does not require compromising accuracy, whereas using it as an excuse is a blatantly obvious sign of incompetence. Most importantly, though, doing so shows a severe lack of respect for one's students, for which there is no excuse. And that's my unsubstantive rant for today! I feel much better now. Kallium^talk 06:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I created a bullshit science article on CP. Ed 'improved it' (didn't change the bullshit) with the comment 'so this is what abc is...' EddyP (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

wow...mystery "solved"

Of course, no Schlafly mystery can be solved to his satisfaction but, no rebuttal? The user hasn't been banned? TK hasn't come back to poke him? WTF is going on, here? Are Assfly and TK conceding? Is this as close as you could get to that? ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 14:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That is eggsellent. Well pwned. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 15:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

This is really funny. I want the zero to be invented AFTER Christ, so therefore, it was. Reminds me of the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", in which the father of the bride was always attributing the root of every word to Greek, including kimono! Of course, that was done for comedic effect. Here, it's done out of blind, stubborn, unreasoning, assholism. Funny, with a pinch of sadness, methinks. Jimaginator (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Conservative censorship

Didn't Assfly say that only liberals censor their opponents by shouting them down and refusing to let them speak? Anyone know how he addresses stuff like this?. I'm curious to see but any attempt by a non-established user to ask him anything is a certain ban by TK. I really want to hear his explanation as to how this is a different thing entirely. DickTurpis (talk) 17:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Assuming he even acknowledges their existence, I suspect it will involve some variation on "brave fighters against Socialism and Euthanasia who we must all pray for". --Gulik (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

If you guessed that Conservapedia would simply portray the "protestors" as bravely utilising their freedom of speech while the liberals censor them, then congratulations! You win the prize! Bil08 (talk) 08:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC) (P.S contact Andy to claim it)

Jokebama poster WIGO

This is interesting--the first time I saw the poster, I didn't "see" the Joker reference; what I saw made me think that this was some sort of Obama-in-whiteface/blackface thing. Only later did I understand it as a Joker thing. So is the racism in the poster, or in me for automatically reducing any discourse about a black guy to questions of race and racism? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Why so Socialist?

I think that Mr. Kennicott is, shall we say, digging a little deep, but that is typical with art-critics. A possibly more straightforward argument for the Jokebama poster being a racist one is that Heath Ledger's Joker is an anarchist rather than a Red, so that comparison is likely to be a cover for something else. ListenerX^TalkerX 18:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer you TOP, it's actually neither. The racism is inherent in society. People are always asking me if all my stand up material is racially based. I say not really, but a lot of it is because that's the world we live in. Now looking at this from a realistic standpoint, whoever created the poster (which, by the way, is awful) was probably not coding deep racial messages, but on the other hand, maybe somewhere their hatred of Obama and their strange connection with a figure that in no way has anything to do with politics (Hell, the Penguin was more interested in politics than the Joker was) may be stemming from a deep mistrust of Obama because he's black... Who knows? I will say though, that CP loves to have it both ways on the whole race thing.... SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 18:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It's complicated--the deep racial messages ARE coded there for me (blackface/minstrelsy, etc...) but there's no way, short of an honest disclosure from the *ahem* artist to learn how intentional that was. Of course, the French would tell you that the author is dead, so what he thought is irrelevant, and we have to deal with the text on its own terms--and in a society where race plays such a fundamnetal role, and where those tropes are sow ingrained in the culture, well, you're right Chuck. It's everywhere. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the art critic has a point, and there are other examples of racism masquerading as valid criticism. By no means am I suggesting that any or all criticism of Obama is such, most is fine and merely a matter of political beliefs. But certainly as mentioned above, trying to link Socialism to a character that loathes all forms of authority is ridiculous and masks something else. But for me racism is most telling with the 'birthers'. There is absolutely no evidence for any of the claims they make, all evidence tells us that Obama was unquestionably born in the USA. This has caught on amongst people who don't simply criticise Obama, but have some deeper and despicable hatred and masked it as just criticism. I don't imagine for one moment that such ridiculous lies would have caught on as they have if directed at any of the former presidents. Jammy (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"trying to link Socialism to a character that loathes all forms of authority is ridiculous and masks something else." -- I *suspect* that whomever made the image wasn't even making that connection. S/he probably just saw the movie and thought "Joker bad, Obama bad" and proceeded to waste their time making ignorant pictures in Photoshop with that rather than actually getting involved with the politics in any meaningful way. Kallium^talk

That is quite possibly the case, but to go around plastering these posters to walls around cities does take it beyond what I'd expect for someone just messing about. And indeed, as this poster shows, along with many claims of Obama's 'socialist' agenda, all that it really shows is a fundamental lack of understanding of what socialism actually is. I'm from the UK myself where we are certainly better acquainted with aspects of socialism than many of those who criticise Obama. To simply criticise his healthcare plans as being socialist is seen by the right as sufficient to reject them. It is simple word association, socialism = bad, but they don't actually address the issue. Anyway, I digress.... Perhaps more to the point is not so much the views on race held by the poster's designer, but how the poster has been picked up by the likes of Conservapedia. They have completely failed to question the link being made by the poster, which is likely in part due to ignorance on numerous levels. But the fact that they unquestionably go along with over the top personal attacks, like this and especially the 'birthers', which lack any foundation, perhaps speaks of their own deeper hatred of Obama, that goes beyond simply political ideology. Jammy (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The idea of what constitutes a "socialist" among the Conservapedians, etc., is nicely summarized in this image from the Libertarian Reform Caucus. ListenerX^TalkerX 19:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Awesome image LX. I especially like the font, the same one as used on The Prisoner ("village")... ħuman 21:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we have anything like the same vilification of the word 'socialism' over here as in the states. Even our conservative party have learned to live with the welfare state. Though it's criticised a lot, I don't think there are many people here who would want to see us switch from the NHS to the current US system. Jammy (talk) 20:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

(EC)There was a great article that came out during the campaign. People were asked if Obama was a Socialist, then they were asked what positions a socialist holds... People that swore Obama was a Socialist couldn't explain what Socialism was. In modern American politics, Socialist is the new Communist. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 20:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: After reading Jammy's last point, I would add that the people in this country are just easily led by their idealouges(sp?). Did anyone else see the video where a bunch of "protesters" were disrupting a Democrat's town hall. He asked them to raise their hands if they were against Government Health Care and then asked them to raise their hands if they were on Medicare. It was like 95% overlap in the two groups. I almost fell off the cough laughing. I can guarantee you that if we went to an NHS system ala England, the Conservatives would be against it and then use it like crazy. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 20:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Link? ListenerX^TalkerX 20:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

What? Did the GOP round up people from a local retirement home to go and crash the town-hall meeting? ListenerX^TalkerX 20:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Not too far off actually.... The most vocal opponents of the Health Care Reform have been senior citizens.... and Crazy people like Andy. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 20:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

UK politics are pretty boring compared to the states. Whilst I'd welcome a bit more enthusiasm I wouldn't want to see it go to the extremes we've seen in a few examples from the US. Of course even here our politicians spout rubbish now and then, but to see how certain right wing politicians can just say that a healthcare policy they oppose would actually kill people and be believed literally by so many is not something I envy. Jammy (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course politics in the U.K. are boring; whenever someone gets too interesting they get prosecuted by the State for making hate-speech. ListenerX^TalkerX 20:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Back to the poster, not being immersed in the Batman trope, when I first saw it, the first time it was on CP's front page (it's there twice now), I thought it was a racist whiteface/big red lips thing. Had to read the "news" item to get the "Joker" thing, which of course I still didn't understand, knowing the Joker only as a "bad guy" from a comic book. I think it was "created" as a bad joke, but I have no idea why it is being "propagated". It's just a ridiculous image with no meaningful political content. Hell, Hitwin is more "meaningful". ħuman 21:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I picked up on the "joker" thing the first time, but I don't really "get it". It's more about what those people want to see than what it could possibly mean. In, say, JPatt's little mind: "Obama is a joke...joker...HILL-AIR-EUS!!!" That's about the extent. The whiteface conjecture makes even less sense to me. I don't think it's the case at all. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 21:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"The whiteface conjecture makes even less sense to me." Well, you'll notice his..face, it's...painted white. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

"it's...painted white" Indeed it is. But think about it...racism makes no sense in this context. Why would a white racist portray him in whiteface? Does that make any sense? Why would a black racist paint him in whiteface? To call him an "uncle Tom" or something? For what? Socialism? Is that what 'whitey' does? Socialism? Because that's apparently what the artist was concerned with. If that's not the case, then I still can't imagine a good reason. You can? ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 23:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say that there's something direct and literal and straiightforwardly racist that the artist is trying to say--remember I set this up as a question, not an argument. What I am saying is that, as Chuck pointed out, America is a racist soiety, and that rcism is politically, economically, and culturally pervasive. It's everywhere. That being said, taking a political opponent who is black and painting him up as a white guy in a grotesque manner that is reminiscent of Al Jolson and other minstrel-style touchstones of American culture is something that I think can be--if not has to be-- understood in terms of that pervasive racism. It's complicated and subtle, not a simple "X means Y" kind of thing....TheoryOfPractice (talk) 23:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Quixotic racism aside, I think Heath Ledger and US obsession with him rivalled racism in the US last year. Were racist, but we're not that racist. It just seems like you're reading too much into this. I think everyone at RW knows how it feels to have someone tell you you're not reading enough into something...well, at least it makes me think 'woo'. If any racist connotation that wasn't ass backwards was available, I might think twice. But otherwise... no offense. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 23:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

How does whiteface relate to racism? I know about the minstrel-shows with the blackface, etc., but was whiteface used in a similar manner? ListenerX^TalkerX 22:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was, I'm pretty sure. In fact, I remember a TV show from my childhood, "The Black and White Minstrel Show"... ħuman 22:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Listener, there's a really complicated and rich literature on minstrelsy and other kinds of trans-racial entertainment in American history-- this is one interesting study; this is another. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

TheoryOfPractice

Well, that was certainly my quantum of Red blather for the day. It was interesting to learn about the theater companies that did whiteface performances and also put on the minstrel-shows with actual black actors. ListenerX^TalkerX 23:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, listener, I know you're much smarter than all of us put together, but you can say some really stupid-sounding, self-superior, self-righteous shit every now and then with annoying regularity. Fuck you. I don't like you one bit. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 23:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Come on now ToP, thats taking it too far. I for one think I am smarter than ListnerX. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 23:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm so glad I uploaded that file earlier today. ~ JonG ~ 03:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Damn it, don't make me flick the lights on and off! (Sorry, school starts next week) Czolgolz (talk) 05:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

That image cracked me up. Kudos! :D --Sid (talk) 11:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

@Human - The Black and White Minstrel Show never had and black guys whited up. All the men were blacked up and the women were not. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 21:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, and my brief "research" into the matter shows "whiteface" is more the province of mimes, not like blackface at all. I still see a black guy with his face painted white and "sambo" lips stuck on him when I look at the poster. I don't know if being more into the Batman thing would have immunized me from that , ie, I'd see it as a Joker thing immediately... and then still wonder what the point of the poster is! ħuman 00:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

According to those sources TOP provided above, there was some use of whiteface by black theater companies for the purpose of making the black actors appear white. ListenerX^TalkerX 04:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

That's as maybe. I was just pointing out that the B&WMS of Humans's youth (in Wales I presume) did not have white faces. And while loved by millions, I found it absolutely ghastly although not for any racial reasons - I wasn't as "aware" in those days. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 09:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

TK thins out the good editors.

TK blocks OscarJ one of the best contributors they've ever had for a) not enabling email^img and b) being a sock. ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 07:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Typical Terry Krackwitz illiteracy in his comments, too. ħuman 07:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange that it's only for 3 days though. ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 07:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

TK learned Schlafly Statistics? Oh dear. When will people no longer be able to tell them apart? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 09:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm too lazy to dig, but I'm 95% certain that Andy told some other bloke that enabling mail was NOT mandatory. Not that Andy's word means anything on CP anymore... --Sid (talk) 11:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The current screen for account creates states: E-mail address is optional, but allows a new password to be e-mailed to you if you forget your password. You can also choose to let others to contact you through your user or user_talk page without needing to reveal your identity.

But I agree, the words mandatory and optional can be mixed up...

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 11:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Surely this entire WIGO incident is proof that TK is a parodist out to destroy CP. PJR ouright denies the IP sharing, he doesn't realise that email isn't manditory. This surely proves that whatever reasons he says, he's just making them up. So he's either genuinely deluded or intentionally wanting to block CP out of existence. ^theist 19:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I dont see PJR denying anything, he just says he isnt aware of it. Maybe TK is trading IPs with a different admin. ^{— Unsigned, by: 131.107.0.101 / talk / contribs}

PJR is the only one with Checkuser access, so it's either him or nobody. --Sid (talk) 11:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I somewhat liked the new user EMailNotMandatory, who tried to help OscarJ...

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 19:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

TK must be trying to mess with the account creation screen, in an apparent attempt to "fix" this "flaw". And failing, of course. Until a couple of minutes ago, CP screens said "log in / create account", but with a login screen that didn't have a "create account". Now CP screens give my IP address, and say "log in" only. It used to be that the screen would either say "log in / create account", with a "create account" option when you clicked it, or would just say "log in". The former when TK/swabbie/JPatt were willing to do battle, and the latter when they were not. Gauss (talk) 19:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm starting to think TK intermittently just turns account creation off when he's not around to wield teh banhammer. 22:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I think only Andy can do that (but I could be wrong). What I love though is when TK lies so much, he forgets his lies. One minute he deletes the article on ASoK, claiming he's not going to host an article written by somebody who lies about him and Andy, then suddenly he's swapping insider secrets with said liar. Gotta love it. It's sad though that Kara especially just let's him get away with it. (PS Karajou - nice work on updating SA's President... four months after his inauguration. You want to work on that "trustworthy" slogan a bit.) --PsyGremlin_{Arnold J Rimmer lookalike winner 1998} 12:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Moer Carter

Jimmy Carter's Korean adventure has stimulated RJJ into action^img. Although quite why he's put his 1980s doctrine in the 1960s category^img is a bit strange. ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 08:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Carter? Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 09:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

OOPS Mega boob ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 09:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

"You had to be there", apparently

The first few lines of cp:Talk:Sandy Berger crack me up somehow:

Rob: What do you think, is this better?
RJJ: it's pretty bad. :)
Rob: He's not smiling.

The rest of the talk page is also nice if you like the RJJ/TK/Rob combo, I guess. --Sid (talk) 11:37, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I love little morsels like this from TK: "As conservatives, we don't need a court conviction to prove what common sense tells us." He's been trumpeting this "as conservatives, we should always be allowed to jump to our desired conclusions" business for a while, now. Corry (talk) 17:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Without making random shit up, where would Conservapedia be? --Gulik (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Considering that it was at least partially founded because of Wikipedia's "liberal and anti-Christian bias", a safe answer would be "Non-existent." --Sid (talk) 19:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Black hole denial

I can see this one turning into Andy's Obession of the Week. The further improvements show that he's definitely an non-believer. But Andy, have faith... ^theist 19:39, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Not only is he a non-believer, he is also ignorant about even the basics of black holes. Note that he credits Schwarzschild for defining the radius of a black hole? The Schwarzschild radius defines the event horizon of the black hole. The black hole itself has no radius because it is a singularity and thus a point with zero volume. Another example of how Andy thinks he doesn't have to learn anything about what he hates to speak about it. Kaalis (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking over the article, I find it more than a little amusing that someone felt the need to clarify that the Black Hole of Calcutta was not in fact a collapsed star, but a jail. Rather important thing to clear up, apparently. Kaalis (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Amusing that Brother Roger actually seems to like black holes too. ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 20:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention assfly's misunderstanding of falsifiability. But pity the poor wormhole, whose "unattractive name has hurt its popularity with the public." Godspeed (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

They obviously should've been called Jesus Loving Space Points or something. THEN they'd be popular! X Stickman (talk) 22:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I love it when the tweedle brothers disagree. ħuman 21:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Rob's word games

He likes making up or implying links between things. On the 'article' for the National Guardian under 'see also' it now has 'Wikipedia' and 'Frank Marshall Davis'. Unless I'm mistaken, I'm unaware of any real link between them, (or could someone enlighten me on that?) and it seems Rob agrees given that they're not mentioned anywhere in the article. Jammy (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

And that's some good work from Rob in messing up the main page (relatively speaking) Jammy (talk) 00:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I like the "selective axis" effect that makes it look like his approval dropped in half on its way from ~65 to ~50%... ħuman 00:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

And 2.5 hours after Rob messed it up, none of the admins have noticed. Jammy (talk) 00:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Rob's mind is kinda like a game of Mad-Libs, except 50% of the words are "COMMUNISM". --Kels (talk) 04:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty close to the reality, yup. Sharpest eraser in the crayon box, I repeat. RobS' thinking: 1-2-3-4-5-6 DIE COMMIE DIE! ħuman 05:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Jpatt's twitter

I have been WIGOing some of these on clogo, but I am worried about this one. Is he actually advocating shooting federal employees? - π 00:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a federal crime to threaten the life of a federal employee. I wonder what the FBI would think about Jpatt's batshit crazy and dangerous wingnuttery. 00:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

That boy can't seem to decide if Obama is a commie or a Nazi. And he wants to throw all the progressives into Gitmo. Methinks somebody's been spending too much time on CP.--WJThomas (talk) 00:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

At least he doesn't hide his tweets like someone. - π 01:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, although I doubt it is him, even if jay-pe is following. On further looking a definite no.- π 01:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Promoting a site called ProLife.tk. .tk is a service from the Tokelau Islands that simply lets people who have, say, a Google or Geocities site or a blog to create a short, memorable domain name. I've got one. Bluefish (talk) 03:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Tuvalu got so lucky with theirs. - π 03:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Great. Now do us a favour and go register us a site called TK.tk --- and let the fun begin. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

What a little idiot. I like this quotation (capitalization not mine) "PRO-CHOICE IS BLACK RACISM." The bad thing about Twitter is that it is a perfect venue for people only capable of tiny thoughts. Corry (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as the crime, "More gun owners than they are employees of the fed. govt. The 50 states with the Second Amendment have the final say, not #ObamaJoker" is so incoherent who knows what he is actually saying? ħuman 04:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the second amendment allows the states to have militias. I think he is advocating gathering all gun owners together in state militias and taking on the federal government. Mind you given that federal employees would includes the regular army, watching Jpatt with his 10mm take on a Delta force squad should provide some laughs. It does amaze me how much talk there is around the clogosphere about state rights, the US being a federation, and even succession now that the federal government is top to bottom Democrats. Very different tune to three years ago. - π 04:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup. Five years ago it was "respect and honor your president". Now it "He's not my president". By the way I heard the same shit when Clinton was Prez. F'ing assholes. ħuman 05:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't say that Democrat supporters where great during the Bush presidency, but I don't recall cries for succession. There were a few fringe people that wanted to impeach Bush, but that is at least working within the rules albeit stupidly, rather than turning your back on your country. - π 05:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Fuck is this about? That looks like a threat against the President. - π 05:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

"@mobwatch Write for your records H&K G1 semi-auto, bipod, 20 round clip, 7.62 NATO ammo. flag@whitehouse.gov #tcot #rwe #iamthemob" Can anyone even understand that? Anyone want to try to parse it for me? ħuman 05:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

flag@whitehouse.gov is where the government is asking people to send misinformation about healthcare. He seems to want to send a description of his gun to them. - π 05:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It's totally unintelligible to me. My favorite part: on one of the links the guy replies "You definitely need health care for your mental illness."--الملعب الاسود العقل ^{Please don't spoil my day, I'm miles away} 05:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

(EC)Before hand he was going on about Gestapo-care. As far as I can work out he seems to be thinking: asking for information is like the Gestapo, ergo Obama is like Hitler. Add the usual NRA nonsense of if the Germans all had guns they would have stopped Hitler and we have a dangerous chain of thought. - π 05:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

This is that Mob Watch's only tweet that wasn't some auto generated reply. - π 05:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yea. It's fun annoying watching my twitter feed fill up with Jpatt's rantings. At least he's following me as well. I recently posted "Hmmm.. Just found a site called Conservapedia. *wanders around the site*" to get him to follow. Silly Mr. Cat 08:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Nuke

How long have they had it?. Kangaroo's going for it big time.^img. ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 12:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Since the last update, I think. hasn't been used much - probably only because TK hasn't figured out a good enough excuse to delete everything and Jpratt is waiting for somebody to draw him pictures on how to use it. --PsyGremlin_{Arnold J Rimmer lookalike winner 1998} 13:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Think more along the lines of April... 2007. See Andy's early deletion log for the trademark "Mass removal of pages added by..." --Sid (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Is TK just an ignoramus then? TK is just an ignoramus then! ^{I am eating} _& honey^chat 18:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Sloppy

This^img is what happens when editors are blocked and the admins don't follow through. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 16:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow. That'a a lot of Star Wars novels. Do you think Ieuan has ever kissed a girl? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have, thanks for asking, the advantages of having fuckbuddies over gfs is that you can schedule your own time for Star Wars.--Visit http://www.swtor.com. Give me TOR or give me death. Because only Star Wars makes life worth living (and at least it's honest enough to admit to being fiction) (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

There's more.^{img I am eating} _& honey^chat 16:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Billy Mays

Wasn't there something at CP a few weeks back treating pitchman Billy Mays as an exemplar of conservative values?

I wonder if the fact that cocaine use contributed to his death will change that? MDB (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Damn, that explains a lot about the way he acted. The man had a pharmacy in his bloodstream.--EcheNegraMente ^{Boredom will die, ears will bleed} 18:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Who the Hell is ExFin?

Gunnar K. A. Njalsson‎; 14:23 . . (+569) . . ExFin (Talk | contribs) (Undo revision 690391 by [[Special:Contributions/DaleSveum Tracing through proxy to ISP. Undid vandalsim. Authorities contacted.)--and does he/she have checkuser? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

There's nearly a two year gap in his contributions, and he's not anywhere in the user-rights log, so I'd assume not.--EcheNegraMente ^{When everyone around me's busy drowning, I float} 18:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

That's what I thought--the tracing IP thing is BS, then? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 19:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that all the supposed "IP" tracking on Conservapedia is utter bullshit. ^theist 19:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be BS even if he did have checkuser rights. I'm not very savvy with this stuff, but I don't think it's that simple to get past proxies and find someone's true IP. I could be wrong though.--PitchBlackMind ^{Hey vanity, this vial's empty} 19:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed; a proxy wouldn't be much of a proxy if it was trivial to identify IP addresses the other side of it. The only real way to find out such information is to contact the owner of the proxy and say "someone was doing something to my site at time X, can you look in your logs and tell me who please?". Although I guess it's possible you might get that info with a suitably legal-sounding threat, I'm sceptical.. alt (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the Palin Mail Hacker was caught through exactly such a request, but I think I read it only worked so "easily" because, well, he hacked fricken PALIN's mail. Andy contacting a proxy or the FBI because someone questioned his dick size on an open wiki will likely lead to much laughter and little action. --Sid (talk) 19:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Most reasonably proxies will add an X-Forwarded-For header. However, as far as I know mediawiki doesn't record that, nor is it logged out of the box by most Apache installs. Also, deliberately anonymising services like TOR won't leave such things in your requests. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 20:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

ExFin seems like a sock of FOIA, especially with regard to the editing methods. ListenerX^TalkerX 20:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

No hope for Ken after all

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/gay.to.straight/index.html

PDF of the findings here -- http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/therapeutic-response.pdf

--71.246.96.183 19:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

One method might work... beating them to near death and raping them. But we'll leave that to the government interrogation system. Silly Mr. Cat 03:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

!HOW!TO!EXCLAIM!POINTS!

In Ken's news points, I've noticed how he always adds exclamation marks at the end of his points when he's having a stab at something i.e. "Given the inadequacy of the atheist position, stuttering is hardly surprising!" Just say what you mean Kenny.

ATHEISM = BAD

Thanks for your time. PS - Hi, TK! SJ ^Debaser 20:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that he seems to have a balky "s" key on his keyboard; he uses singular forms in the place of plural ones with much regularity, as in the most recent example where he says "one of YouTube's most prominent atheist." ListenerX^TalkerX 20:29, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. He does seem to have severe difficulty in editing coherently with punctuation - it usually takes him about 60 edits for one entry into how Obama's healthcare reforms will increase the spread of AIDS. SJ ^Debaser 20:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Andy, Andy...

Where are my new conservatve words? I need them NOW!!! EddyP (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought conservative words grew geometrically but... there hasn't been a single edit to the page since 20th July! Could we be seeing the downfall of Conservatism AS WE KNOW IT?!?!?!?! SJ ^Debaser 21:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Irony of Ken's mainpage drooling

The irony of Ken is that he deosnt seem to realise that when making fun of Thunderf00t's stutter it takes him 20+ edits to get it right. Which is akin to some kind of wiki-stutter. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 03:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)