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It is so sad to see the statistics page showing 100,500,000 page views and yet the frontpage still only boasts about having 97,500,000 pageviews. Andy where is the update? It has been nearly 10 days already since you last did it. - π 05:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he'll stop bragging now that TK has pointed out to him that the pageviews are a complete fabrication? It wasn't enough for us to point out that they were mostly people laughing at CP, not going there for the "truth"... ħuman 06:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Conservapedia speaks truly about conservatism, but in a way that its writers will never realise. Totnesmartin (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I've posted the history of CP page views so people can see how it has been achieved. Генгис^evolving 11:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I love that big dip from the Great Transefer Botch. there's another tiny dip later on, which is probably Portsmouth FC or Law Terms D getting "the treatment." Totnesmartin (talk) 12:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The second dip is when their server went down and they lost a week's worth of edits. Генгис^evolving 12:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Poor misunderstood TK! WIGO

The sreencap for that WIGO is quite long but contains the following bit of deceit:

I am willing to "educate" myself about these matters, if only just one person, in the three years I have been an Administrator for CP, would be able to give some understandable reason for their seeming deceit...

Has the whole 12 months from November 2007 to November 2008 (when TK was in the wilderness) been erased from Conservapedia? The great UCLA/TK plagiarism scandal conveniently swept under the carpet? Can oversight be applied to the User Rights log? Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 06:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

TK claims he has been a CP sysop for 3 years. From the CP Logs:

TK is made a Sysop: 23:41, 18 March 2007 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed User:TK's user rights from (none) to Administrators.

Goodbye Sysop TK: 01:36, 26 November 2007 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed User:TK's user rights from Check users, nsTeam1RO, nsTeam1RW, nsTeam1_talkRO, nsTeam1_talkRW, Siteadmin and Administrators to nsTeam1RO, nsTeam1RW, nsTeam1_talkRO and nsTeam1_talkRW.

Time elapsed as Sysop 1st time: 8 months, 8 days.

Reappointed to Sysop: 00:40, 1 January 2009 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed User:TK's user rights from Block, Check users, edit, nsTeam1RO, nsTeam1RW, nsTeam1_talkRO, nsTeam1_talkRW, Siteadmin and Upload to Check users, nsTeam1RO, nsTeam1RW, nsTeam1_talkRO, nsTeam1_talkRW, Siteadmin and Administrators. (promotion to Sysop!!!)

Current date: 11 July 2009

Time elapsed as Sysop 2nd time: 6 months, 10 days

TK's TOTAL time as Sysop: 1 year, 2 months, 18 days.

Refugee^{talk page} 08:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone else get pissed off at his illiteracy, or is it just me? ħuman 08:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

His poor writing doesn't bother me. After all, it's not like he's building an encyclopedia or anything. Totnesmartin (talk) 08:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

As a Saturday morning exercise I OCRed the screencap and posted it here. It's probably easier to read that way. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 08:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that the prize idiot immediately started referring to himself as a senior admin upon his re-promotion, saying he'd been an admin all along. Clearly, in his own mind, the demotion following his insult to Andy and opening of the SDG never happened. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 09:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I know what TeaKhead was "thinking". Considering CP hasn't even been around for 3 years yet, "in the three years I have been an Administrator for CP" means 2007, 2008, and 2009 - 3 different years on the calendar. ;) ħuman 00:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

what in fuck is this?

god almighty Ken, GET HELP. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 07:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I cried a little when I saw that. Web (talk) 07:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sweet jesus, Ken! Post it everywhere, we love it! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 07:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It's too beautiful. Just too beautiful. StarFish (talk) 08:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Darlin? Or is it Stawin? ħuman 08:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh Darlin, you shouldn't have! I prefer "Starwin", which sounds like a talent contest. Totnesmartin (talk) 08:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Darlin', I'll never dooo youuuu no harrrrmmmmmm! I prefer Starwin too. Or Stalwin. I wet myself. ħuman 08:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

What I like is that Ken sources the image from his "Atheism" user page on Flickr which he then links back to his CP article. If you would like further advice on SEO please contact.... Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 08:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The irony of that whole thing is that Stalin was not even a "Darwinist;" the Soviet establishment at that time preferred a variation on the older idea of Lamarckism. ListenerX^TalkerX 13:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Also Stalin NOT communist. Stalin = Stalinist fafuxake nothing like communist! ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 13:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

What? A Stalinist holocaust denier? Probably a commie symp, too. RobS (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

? ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 17:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Rob, sweetheart, you are living proof that sometimes it is better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and show them you are a complete fuckwit. Please reconcile knowing the difference between "communist" and "stalinist" and being a "holocaust denier". Even somebody as red-under-the-bed-paranoid as you shouldn't make that mistake. (Oh and really. Commie symp? Like that is a threat or insult anymore? Get out of the 50s Rob.) --PsyGremlin_Whut? 17:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

(EC) Stalin was a Red, all right; most of the mess he made was due to attempts to make the USSR more communist. ListenerX^TalkerX 17:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of the "Stalinist holocaust?" somehow cp:Holodomor only covers a portion of it. I dont know what is worse, a "Stalinist holocaust" denier (there are those, you know, even in academia, who deny the Stalinist holocasut) or your everyday garden variety [[commie symp]]. RobS (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me get this straight - did you just say you don't know whether a Stalinist holocaust denier is worse than a communist sympathizer? User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 19:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Robbie darling - I needed that laugh. Either the above is just another example of your "idiot grin" strategy, or you really are an idiot. Where did it say we didn't know what the 'Stalinist holocaust' was? And the "commie symp" allegation - please back it up, with a little bit more than 1950's rhetoric. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

To be sure, a lot of academics are unable to tell the difference; I have seen Holodomor denial done without any cry whatsoever being made. ListenerX^TalkerX 20:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Russian Holocaust denial is awful, but what does it have to do with being a communist sympathizer or how they're equivalent (depending on what RobS meant by "don't know what's worse")? User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 20:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the remark is along the lines of, "I don't know who's worse, the monster or the dupe who believes his lies." ListenerX^TalkerX 21:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I prefer Hitwin to Darlin myself. Ken, this is good, but Hitwin was better, more evocative, more clearly communicated your point. Stalin isn't as closely connected with killing lots of people for evolutionary reasons, so Hitwin gets your point across much more clearly. Darlin is confusing - it makes the reader think "Was Darwin behind Communism?". Stick to your desired message, and put plenty of pictures with Hitler in them on the Main Page, it's an important point you're trying to make. Keep up the good work. --DogP^{Marmite Patrol} 16:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, the days of Main Page Hitwin are over. Ken is too afraid to go against TK's edicts. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 17:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Apparently TK is more powerful than God in Ken's mind. Are you not doing God's work here, Ken? How can you let anyone stand in the way of God's work? --Kels (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

They're like the halycon days of summer. I have such fond, misty eyed memories of how the Main Page used to look in days of yore. Everything was beautiful back in, oh, May. Then fucking Crundy came along and complained about it and it led to the Grand De-Hitwinisation Pogrom of 2009. Black mark for Crundy, I'll not let him forget it easily. --DogP^{Marmite Patrol} 17:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Mildly amusing

Andy replaces^img "centre" with "center" in an article about a British local authority because it's "more phonetic". Right Mister Shlafly, now we know. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 13:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

See it's been WIGOd, didn't think it was worth it meself. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 13:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

<pedantry corner>Revisited</pedantry corner> Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 14:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

My word Genghis! That must have stung for you to remember it for 3 months! ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 00:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, it has left an ugly scar. Генгис^evolving 19:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't there a commandment or guideline about not making arbitrary changes between English and American spelling? Oh wait... that only applies to non sysops. On a related note... just checked the commanments and no 5 made me choke on my coffee: "Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry." Again, I suppose that doesn't apply to Andy and his Toy Boys wind-up thugs. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

(EC) So the whole we only allow American spelling we accept non-American spelling on British or Australian topics was just conservative deceit after all? Well, you could knock me down with a feather. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 14:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

If Andy says it, it's not "personal opinion", it is the revealed Word of Ronald Reagan (and His sidekick, God). --Gulik (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor...

...hasn't edited for a while, and I don't see a note about a holiday on his userpage. Any ideas? EddyP (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

5 days absent from WP - that's not unusual though. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 18:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

If you summon him, he will come. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 22:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He's back on WP too. Not obsessive at all Broccoli (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He does ask the question we're all asking. --Kels (talk) 22:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He's such an awful wiki editor. Adds a couple lines to homosexuality and puts the ref inline, when all the others are footnotes... How come no one has reverted him yet? ħuman 22:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

At WP it has been cleaned up so that it is now in prose form (instead of a list) and the reality has been added. At CP it has been enshrined as fact. Am I the only one who notice that pretty much every topic on CP is a quote mine these days? - π 01:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ed creates another article at Wikipedia. Sometimes I wonder if he actually has senility problems. Megaten (talk) 01:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone want to slap a notability tag on that? - π 01:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Having googled around, the guy might be worthy of an article but Ed's ref doesn't cut it. Standard practice: start something & leave it to the grunts to do the work. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 01:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You go through Ed's work, right from the beginning, and it quickly becomes clear that the only reason he has any credibility at all is longevity. That's it. He can't start an article properly, he pushes POV constantly, he sucks at making references, he asks stupid rhetorical questions when he could just go and write in the article, and on and on. He's incompetent and has a habit of backing exactly the wrong horses (global warming denial, creationism, Moonies, hard-right Conservatism, CP, etc., etc.). WP must have been handing out sysopships the way we do back in the day. --Kels (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

My impression was that WP grew very quickly after a slowish start and everyone who joined before a certain time period were grandfathered into sysopship to keep up with the sudden growth in users. - π 02:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Kels, I have been making exactly those same points since I first commented on Ed. And you can also include not adding categories and ignorance about how to find things out on a wiki. I remember him asking for help on how the gallery feature works. It's not difficult, you can look it up in the help pages or copy another gallery to use as a template. For someone who continually boasts about his wiki-heritage, he is an absolutely appalling editor who claims the work of others for himself. His early standing at WP ws purely a matter of being in the right place at the right time. When it came to actually applying the principles of good governance he failed miserably and was rightly shown the door. His efforts at CP have continued in the same vein, where he has almost single-handedly destroyed their maths articles and singularly failed at establishing or encouraging a framework for future development. And now he only pops his head round the door at CP to let them know he's still alive while pushing his pet projects elsewhere. I'm sure Andy had high hopes by getting an ex-Wikipedian of some standing (especially one who had been "forced out by libruls") to help with his project. Alas, Ed had has been like one of those temporary managers who comes in, slashes all the essential regular spending, upsets all the staff, and then moves on claiming that he has increased profit margins. There is absolutely no question that he was the worthy winner of the CP's biggest idiot ward. Генгис^evolving 08:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you pretty much covered the Ed story between you, Pi, and more so Genghis. The guy, as our British friends would say, couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery. ħuman 09:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

How dare you! We certainly wouldn't say that!

It's "organise". Ajkgordon (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

So much for having British friends. --Kels (talk) 18:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That's how they write it. They say it "organize" ;) ħuman 20:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

That's because it's more phonetic. --Kels (talk) 05:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Is TK losing his touch?

Probably not WIGO worthy but I just found it quite amusing that someone's just been on a 30 minute vandalism streak with TK online, but he does nothing. It seems he then got a bit em brassed about it so blocked the guy who pointed out the vandalism. Jammy (talk) 18:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Paint. Drying. You should liveblog watering your plants next time. TK blocks people. That's his function at CP. He doesn't edit, he doesn't do policy, he blocks and deletes. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 18:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You should stop being such a big meany pants. Web (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I was more making a point about how boring TK stories usually are than harshing your buzz, but you're right. Sorry about that. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 20:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The liveblogging plants thing sounds more like Ed Poor than TK. --Kels (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Dun worry, its k. All is forgiven. <3 Web (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Slutty, you should add "(such a) big meany pants" to your random talk page link list... By the way, if you add a single pipe at the end of the transclusion, your different sigs on one page will return different random things. Otherwise the parser runs it once and re-uses the results in each subsequent instance. ħuman 21:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You speaking funny language to me. You do these things to sig and sigtalk. You real nice.User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 21:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately you appear to transclude your sig from your preferences. Генгис^evolving 22:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It works, see what I did above - added "|" before the closing brackets. ħuman 22:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You're such a geek. Генгис^evolving 22:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty funny. A vandal is busy pasting ascii pron into the articles...and what's TK doing while it's happening? Deleting all of tmt's archives. Pretty pathetic...then again I guess we (especially Trent) have always been more important to TK than CP. Hey TK. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 23:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He has now oversighted the guy telling him. Really what does he hope to achieve? We all know he fucked up and let a vandal lose, hiding it won't make it unhappen. What a pathetic little man he has become, he runs a small wiki like he was an authoritarian dictator because he has nothing else to control. - π 01:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

"This guy's alerting me about vandalism he is reverting...I'd better run checkuser on him..." It just goes to show you what the atmosphere on CP is like any more. I think TK's latest exchange with Jamie almost said it explicitly...good faith is not assumed...at all. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 01:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

We at least got "assuming good faith is liberal" out of him, so much for the compassionate conservative. - π 01:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, mistrust is such a conservative value. Генгис^evolving 08:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Also isn't it ironic that TK oversights the guy telling him about the vandalism but leaves the porn on display via the page history. "Use the force for good, Terry." - Welcome to the dark side, Darth Koeckritz. Генгис^evolving 09:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

In the lights of TK Oversighting the thing, would it be necessary for us to use capturebot on this page's CP links as well? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 02:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Look at the message at the top of the page. 192.43.227.18 02:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

RW users as bad as Robert Mugabe reports a disgruntled conservapedia editor

[1] Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 22:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I wanted us to be higher on the list. Does this mean he hates TK too? Broccoli (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't he the resident Rhodesian racist? Генгис^evolving 22:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

"Liberals also try to make the Rhodesian government look racist; it was not" Yep. Broccoli (talk) 22:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sweet Jesus. An Ian Smith apologist. Now I've seen it all. I hope he's a parodist. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Will he be blocked for knowing about the wiki of evil? Broccoli (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably a sock of Marcus Cicero. Генгис^evolving 22:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

South Africa's 19th greatest man: Verwoerd^img! I remember the cover of Private Eye after his assassination: several native Africans dancing joyously with the caption "A nation mourns" ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 00:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ich bin ein Rationalwikian. I feel so special next to Kennedy and Obama--Tabris (talk) 02:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

This guy looks like an Apartheid apologist. He'll probably be made an admin very soon and will force a pro-apartheid bias on Conservapedia (at first it'll be subtle, as in now, the articles on Ian Smith and members of the Afrikaner party don't talk about their racism), but soon it'll get worse, especially if Andy rubber stamps the articles. He has yet to edit Nelson Mandela's article, but I'd like to see his opinion on Mandela. --Crazyswordsman (talk) 03:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Not so sure; CP has attracted apartheid apologists in the past, notably summer of 2008, and both Crocoite and Karajou were quick to bring down the bannhammer and the memory-holer as I recall. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 04:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I was going to try and compare Conservapedia to the Fox Nation website (which seems to be full of people who don't care what positions Barack Obama takes; they openly oppose him because he's black). --Crazyswordsman (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Reminds of this lovely site, that seems to yearn for pre-1994 South Africa. Extra lulz for all the references to "white liberals" by the conservative commentators. The again, given Ed's use of "black' and 'negro' he'll feel right at home there, amongst those who still use the k-word. Busy mailing Wordpress to see if I can get it shut down. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sunday Insights?

Haven't seen any lately. Disappointed. Must investigate further, then figure out where the hell the tillde button is on this new keyboard. There. ENorman (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't give up hope. There's still plenty of time this evening for Andy to get liquored up and hit the keyboard after the wife goes to bed. And the day is not completely sans insights. Here we learn that the most effective tool (insert joke here) against liberal deceit is cross-examination, "better than even the requirement of an oath". So perhaps we can look forward to a fleshing out of this cross-examination notion, what it is and how to use it. In the meantime, ponder this question: How can requiring an oath--which is only as good as the intentions of those taking it--be of any use against liberals, who are inherently deceitful?--WJThomas (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I always thought the best tool against deceit was torture. How else can you get those deceitful liberals to say what you want them to say?--Tabris (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Quote-mining? --Gulik (talk) 18:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, TK can still get more lame than he already is.

Look at his block reasons

• He, being one of the most liberal(no pun intended) user of range blocks, accuses people of having the same IP as other previously blocked users (shouldn't he have blocked the range already?).
• He blocked a range for one year with the following explanation: "Same IP(s) as previously blocked user(s): Rogers Cable, Toronto, ONT, Canada. Canada, soon to be renamed Trollville Republic." Why let it expire if you believe it is going to be all trolls?
• He believes that Proxy blocker isn't working (I can only assure you that they have Proxyblocker; see for yourselves if it still works by using an anon. proxy with static IP) and somehow France has something to do with Miami. Again, why let it expire?

It's not like as if we haven't seen non-expiring range blocks. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 02:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You assume TK has any idea what he is doing. As far as I can tell he bases his range-blocking on the old class network IP allocation system and he use those free online IP information site; some of which are out of date or giving you deliberately obscured information to try and get you to buy a product. He is basically blocking at will in some desperate hope that it hurts us in someway, failing to realise we would like it if he blocks all points of access to CP. I think people, particularly in the US, should try to use as many different ISP as possible because a) TK's blocking strategy would actually work that way and b) it would prevent the people they actually want to edit from editing, good old middle class Americans with little technical knowledge. - π 02:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That assumes TK wants to block just for the sake of having it expire and block again? (I don't see otherwise why he wants to have a time limit for his range blocks, as he did have infinite range blocks a while back) [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 04:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

IP addresses do change hands on occasion. What is now a range belonging to a proxy site now might be sold to an ISP at some point in the future, especially as the IP4 space is getting used up so quickly. It actually shows TK is not completely insane with his blocking. - π 04:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not worth creating a new section, but I like this little gem. He REALLY needed to get that straightened out, I guess. JArneal 06:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

He might not be insane with the blocking but it's hardly textbook sanity either. ^{d hominem} 14:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

End of an era

So farewell then, pointless law glossary template. You will be missed. For now at least, it does live on as a red link in all the still-extant empty Law Terms pages.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 14:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

In related news, somebody is facing ten years' hard time...TheoryOfPractice (talk) 14:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Worst. Lawyer. Evar. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 14:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Hey Andy-pants, you missed Law Term E and Z, which have hundreds of thousands of views each and are ranked in the top 15 on your popular pages. Dance for us, little man. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Andy is incapable of any sequence of actions that might lead us to believe he is watching us. You have to talk to TK...he's the one without any shame. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 14:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

So, is Andy now saying that viewing his website is punishable by hard time? I always thought it was criminally bad. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 14:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Still no update on the Main Page of the total page view count. Go on Andy, do it. Trumpet the 100 million, I'm sure you want to. You can just ignore the fact that about 40 million of those page views are bogus. Генгис^evolving 15:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I read the whole 18 USC § 1030 thing, and I'm guessing Andy thinks pageviews are equal to monetary value. They would be if he had ads on his site, but considering he doesn't... no one is doing anything wrong by bumping page views. Candlewick 17:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I love it, deleted and restored, only 2 hours later, law terms D already has over 19,000 page views! Clearly, one of CPs most popular pages. Z3ro^talk 16:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that he's extremely confused about bandwidth costs. 18§1030 has nothing to do with bandwidth or pageviews on CP. I don't actually think Andy is this big of a hack (and I'm probably wrong), but I think this is a very (very) lazy scare tactic. ^{— Signed, by: Neveruse513 / Talk / Block} 18:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

On a somewhat similar note--I had no idea that that guy was Jewish, never mind a practicing rebbe! CP is truly a phenomenal source of information. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 16:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I've no idea who's doing the page bumping but it only started again on Saturday after being back to normal following the July 4th festivities. I wish they'd stop so that we can now see what the real rate of page views is. Генгис^evolving 16:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Impossible: there is no stopping the hypnotic appeal of Law Terms D. (It's not me by the way - I only need to look at it a couple of times a day to get my fix.)-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 16:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I was checking it on Alexa, there doesn't seem to be another spike happening, I assume whatever caused the last one is switched off now. Though, interestingly it also says this, that I haven't noticed before: "Average Load Time for Conservapedia.com: Very Slow (6.49 Seconds), 88% of sites are faster." But we already knew that. ^{d hominem} 16:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

And it seems that RW is starting a spike on views/user, are more people staying around and doing more editing? ^{d hominem} 16:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Summer break, maybe? Broccoli (talk) 17:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Alexa is affected by page bumping as it measures the number of unique visitors. The only time that had a knock on effect was when the homosex top ten attracted attention. Генгис^evolving 18:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Just been catching up with some of my reading and apparently Andy is gonna take action against page bumping! Генгис^evolving 19:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

(unindent)What I don't understand is that TK deletes the template, but leaves the 29 pages it is included on. 00:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

CP at UD

Uncommon Descent - home of Dembski, the Newton of Information Theory - is a place which likes to diss wikipedia, too. But though there are those who think highly of CP, others are not that convinced... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 17:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Newton as in Isaac, or as in User:Newton? --Gulik (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

From wikipedia: In 2002, Dembski published his book No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased without Intelligence. It was No Free Lunch that prompted Dembski's Discovery Institute colleague Robert C. Koons to deem Dembski the "Isaac Newton of information theory."

This Koons knows a Newton when he sees one... larron^{sicut fur in nocte}

Bridge To Nowhere, the latest chapter of RobS vs. RJJensen

“”This article is little more than pure nonsense in its existing form. It probably needs to be deleted. Rob Smith 15:36, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Wow, I'm honestly curious what RJJensen is thinking about this. He's had pretty much free reign until recently, and now he's colliding more and more with Rob - and gets the full "You suck and what you wrote is nonsense." treatment. --Sid (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

He's had a good run so far. Генгис^evolving 20:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Jensen and FOIA are the two best parodists on CP at the mo.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 12:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Migration/homing ability

I have never understood the bee Andy gets in his bonnet concerning migration and homing abilities. The migrations in Africa are because animal species need to follow the rains so there is nothing "un-seen" or "non-materialist" about that. Also homing ability, does Andy think animals are homing via divine intervention? Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 21:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. He claims that homing/migration is "guided by non-material phenomena, such as intelligent design that might allow for abstract programming features or divine guidance or another mechanism that transcends materialism." Whatever the hell that means.--WJThomas (talk) 22:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Better translation: "Humans use maps to assist themselves in finding their way. Since the animals does not have technology of the map, they must have divine guidance to where they are going." Stay tuned for the episode featuring Andy walk to the convenience store down the street using a map. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 22:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If gOD had made a perfect world then no-one would need to migrate anywhere. Migration is nature's way of circumventing another divine cock-up. Генгис^evolving 22:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Pshaw. How do you know Adam and Eve didn't saddle the triceratops and migrate to Eden South for the winter? --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 09:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Far Out!! Can You Dig It?

I gotta wonder where Andy hangs out if he's hearing "liberals" say things like this. --WJThomas (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

He has a condo in 1965. --Kels (talk) 22:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Andy's mining the summer of love for new liberal words? Groovy! Right-on. Pyschedelic. Bitchin. I'm contacting Andy right away and see if he wants to trade any of his old Grateful Dead concert tapes.--Simple (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Grateful Dead concerts? Here, have almost 7,000 of them. --Kels (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I would like a nice crispy soundboard of Cornell '77 if he has one. Willing to trade an awesome '89 Deer Creek. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Seeing Andy's constant attempt at pseudo-linguistics reminds me more and more of the infamous skull experiment by Sam Morton. Morton wanted his hypothesis to be true, so he biased it to twist the results. Even if it was possible to label a word like "radar" or "steak" as conservative or liberal, he only updates the conservative page. But really, what's his hard-on with words and dictionaries lately? ENorman (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If I didn't know better, I'd say he's been reading Derrida and the other deconstructionists/post-structuralists--he seems to be onto the idea that language creates/shapes reality, and in his mind the predominance of "conservative" language bolsters his idea that America is growing more conservative...TheoryOfPractice (talk) 23:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You mean, because of his delusion that America/the world is becoming more conservative, he labels any word he possibly can "conservative", as long as his "layers" build in a nice neat 1-2-4-8 set of rows at a time? ħuman 23:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Man, those Founding Fathers must have been insane flaming Liberals, without any of those great Conservative words or concepts. --Kels (talk) 23:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Or he's trying to compile a newspeak dictionary and eventually whittle out liberal, moderate, and center-right words as well as anything more than 3 syllables or non-phonetic, until the entire English language can be focused into one word. "Derp" ENorman (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Andy has always had a thing about the dictionary and language. Recently I have been going over some archives from 2007 and Andy complains that the dictionary is biased because he doesn't agree with the definitions of words. Obviously it is the dictionary that is incorrect. Ace McWickedⁱ⁹ 00:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Doubleplus good! --Gulik (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

(undent)You forget the Andy train of argument though. I am always right> I'm a conservative > Anybody who disagrees with me is a liberal and wrong > ban the liberal scum and hunt them down ENorman (talk) 00:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Slightly off topic, but a story where Andy somehow becomes king of the world would make for a good, modern 1984. It would be pretty scary. X Stickman (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be lucid. Woah. Broccoli (talk) 08:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hang on, a though occurs. How does this geometrically increasing conservatism fit in with Andy's nutbar Christian view that the world is getting ever worse in preparation for the End Times, through which we may or may not be living now? Is it that in Eden, everyone was a liberal and since the fall the world has been getting progressively more conervative? Does not compute. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 11:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be cognitive dissonance due to Andy's complete lack of analyzing his own views. It's like Kent Hovind demanding fossils of every dinosaur that ever lived and wanting Proof that they are generationally sequential (i.e. every generation, every individual parent-offspring match), thus closing all the gaps. Since neither is physically possible, the result it that by his definition every new fossil generates a new gap. Thus, his demands are ultimately mutually exclusive. In Andy's case, though, there are three factors: world getting worse for End Times, Conservatism on the rise, Conservative good/Liberal bad, that form one of those impossible triangles (DECEIT!). If he applies his "logic" any further the whole house of cards will collapse. Kallium^talk 14:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

More math

I can't believe how much subtle parody MarkGall has managed to get into the math articles at CP. Where is Ed Poor? I particularly like cp:Fundamental_group. A work of parody genius. JoeDuffy (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bad form, old chap. We don't "out" other people. We are not the CP police. Генгис^evolving 13:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, but they would probably find it anyway. JoeDuffy (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe they would but it seems people on here are all too keen to out vandalism on CP which seems to be helping CP achieve whatever absurd goals it has. I've found quite a blatant piece of vandalism on a CP article that's been in place for a few months now and has even been linked to unwittingly by admins. Why spoil it by telling them exactly where to look? Jammy (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

They're not too skilled at finding it. I know of several articles (having written them myself) which are either poorly written and get the concepts wrong or are pure bullshit about a subject I've invented (but which sound correct to a reader with no knowledge of the subject area). EddyP (talk) 15:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Are they parody? They are way beyond my knowledge of maths, but even reading them with the expectation of parody they don't seem very funny.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 15:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly there used to be a notce @ the top of the WIGO page to the effect of "don't out parodists". What makes anyone think that there's anyone with the knowledge on there sufficient to recognise mathematical parody? Of course, there's always the ploy of outing someone as a parodist when they're not just to see all their bona fide edits erased. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 15:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

With Ed Poor set to lay waste to them all any day now, it's probably a moot point anyway.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 15:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Anecdotal evidence WIGO

Now, this annoys me on multiple levels.

“”Sunday "record cool temperatures prevailed."[2] And what is the temperature on an historically hot July 13th in New Jersey tonight? Down to the low-50s. But don't expect Al Gore to return his $100 million and Nobel Prize that he obtained from the man-made global warming scam.

So what about the near record temperatures in the UK over the last few weeks? I mean, despite these people considering the atlantic and pacific oceans as the edge of the world and "here be dragons" beyond that, they don't call it global warming for nothing. (I realise that individual spikes in temperature aren't proof of climate change, but it's a good demonstration of the cherry picking). Secondly, regarding the Nobel Prize, it was split between Gore and the IPCC. And the prize amount is 10,000,000 SEK, which is only 1.2 million dollars. Andy is out by two whole orders of magnitude. Sorry for bringing him up on such a "minor" quibble, but I refuse to let these things go unchallenged. ^{d hominem} 13:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad, that last thing is only partially relevant as he states $100 million and Nobel Prize. I don't know what Gore has made from it, but surely with that logic then anyone who earns money through a scam should return their money, but I doubt CP will be demanding that of anyone on the Right any time soon. ^{d hominem} 13:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It would be a start if Halliburton returned some of the billions they have made out of the Iraqi WMD scam. Генгис^evolving 13:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually live in Central New Jersey, it was actually quite warm last night. By chance where does Andy live? I might want to pay him a visit. ---------- Matt

All this ignores that we've seen a deep solar minimum. Just wate until them sunspots and CME's start popping back up, July @ Xmas! 16:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC) CЯacke®

Essentially, if they are this irrational, NOTHING can ever change their minds, and they will consistently ignore evidence that they don't want to see, and inflate evidence that they do want to see. I also live in central NJ, and commented to a friend just the other day that someone is going to make the claim that "see, it's been cool, that means global warming is a fraud." I recently watched something about glacial recession, and it was downright scary. The guy had time lapse photography over years, and all you saw was the front of the glacier moving back back back, to spots that glacialogists and geologists have NEVER seen before in the record. Oh wait, I forgot Earth = 6000 years old. My bad. Jimaginator (talk) 16:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and Andy, you are such a douche....Jimaginator (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

"Hey, you didn't die yesterday. You must be immortal." --Gulik (talk)

Andy calls Jpatt a liberal

Right here [3] JoeDuffy (talk) 14:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so--Andrew Layton was removing the "mulatto" bit that a troll had put in--I think that's the "liberal" he was referring to. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I was a bit sloppy and missed a link. Have a gander at [4]. A troll had added the mulatto claim. Jpatt got on his high horse and deleted it. Then for some reason added it back in again. I guess after careful consideration he thought it appropriate. I can't wait to read about Bush being the 42nd "honky" president. JoeDuffy (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

HBOT

Here's a reason, Andy the "Engineer": molecular oxygen is corrosive! Good for short term, but destroys your lungs over a few days (i.e. bad). Does he think he's an expert biochemist now? And note how he doesn't "articulate a reason why" it should be supported. Geez. And by the way Andy, please check links when you post them- it's not hard. Both of the ones you put up yesterday don't work... Kallium^talk 14:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Back in the day...when they first started putting premature babies onto respirators, they'd load 'em up with 100% pure O₂. This did wonders for the survivability of the babies but a bunch ended up blind, due to something called "the boxcar" effect, (retinal vessels would constrict starving the retina of oxygen, irony much?).

I also recall treatments (this is in the 1980's so it's not exactly "new!") of treating diabetic sores with a "boot" of HBO₂. In this procedure they actively wanted the "corrosive effects" of oxygen to debride the flesh surrounding the sore with a much higher precision than a surgeon could deliver. (Maggots also do this job nicely but we won't go into that.) 16:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC) CЯacke®

Andy thinks he's an expert on everything. Haven't you noticed that? Mathematics, statistics, law, medicine, astrophysics, philosophy, linguistics, history... --Gulik (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

What a closed, narrow mind you have, Gulik. Генгис^evolving 18:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

success!

I've finally gotten TK to IP range block part of NJ. [5]. Candlewick 19:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)