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Rationalwiki and reinventing the wheel

Moved to Forum:Paranormal disappearances11:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Wine

Moved to Forum:Wine11:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Joke

Heh, quite a good one on sickipedia today:
"Trying to prove the existence of God with the Bible is the same thing as trying to prove the existence of Orcs using the Lord of the Rings books."
Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 12:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

A good funneh! SJ ^Debaser 12:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha, awesome. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 17:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

And yet so true. I'll have to keep that in mind. EddyP (talk) 20:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I posted this on my FB profile... wow... way to find out that some of your friends have very strange ideas. I've never seen a status comment turn into a flame war before. --PsygremlinParla! 13:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Manchester is a coward

Copied to Forum:Sean_Manchester 11:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Dawkins and gene-centered evolution

I was just reading this WP article, and I realized that we don't have an article on the gene-centered view of evolution. The WP article is unclear - does anyone understand it? And is it scientifically valid? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 03:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes to both. Do you want an article here on it? I think I have time enough tomorrow... δ_ij$^{i.broke.it.}$ 03:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

If you get a chance. Or if you can direct me to a better source, then I'll do it. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 12:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Beck/Palin sex fest

Despite my rising nausea I am attempting to watch the full hour of Glenn Beck interviewing Sarah Palin. Jesus, what a nightmare I am embarking on...........I'll try and watch it all. Beer in hand, cigarettes handy, I leap onwards. I'll let you know how I feel afterwards. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

20 minutes in and I gag as the burning bile races from liver, through the gut and sears my esophagus. At least Beck (aside from reading his dirty conservative sex dreams from his moleskin journal during the intro) is asking questions and remaining cogent. Palin seems to not understand English. Push on, just press play. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Palin states Harry Reid makes her sick to her stomach and grasps, claws, at her heaving torso. For once we feel the same. Beck waves his journal while Mrs Wicked replenishes my drink and I apologies for the loud, pained moaning. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

How many times has Palin replied with "It is, Glenn..." "It isn't, Glenn..." "It is important, Glenn..." ? SJ ^Debaser 08:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

She started jabbering about France for some reason. Then talked about the statue of liberty and admitted before she came on the show she asked her son to google "What it all (the statue) meant". Might have to freshen my drink and irish my coffee. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Jesus... And she's supposed to be the saviour of the blue collar workers in America? Jesus... SJ ^Debaser 08:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Argh, now its on to "This nation was founded as a CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!" Bah, I can't do this. Aceⁱ⁹ 09:04, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I was going to do this until I heard it was a whole hour. Jebus. Just the clip of Palin calling "all" the Founding Fathers her favorite, and the bit shown on the Daily Show, was enough for me... Beck has to be one of the most cringeworthy performances on TV today. He's like Ricky Gervais squared. Wodewick^{Welease Wodewick!} 16:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

So, in retrospect

A really boring night. It rained, it was cold, I drank heaps, my lady watched some girly bullshit and I attempted to live blog a conservative orgy. Shit man - I am losing my touch. Aceⁱ⁹ 09:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Saw it last night, talk about a neo-con love in. Rad McCool (talk) 10:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The title of this section makes me feel a little sick. And it also makes me think: if Beck and Palin did have sex, would he cry afterwards? And then I feel sick again. Bondurant (talk) 10:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this video available easily on line for other masochists to enjoy? ħuman 20:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Limbaugh vs. Furries

Video TAKE THAT FURRIES! Aceⁱ⁹ 09:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

VenomangX

Anyone catch this? Backed up by a Dprjones vid also....seems legit. Video Aceⁱ⁹ 09:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I came across that last week. It's pretty cool that this guy went to the trouble of contacting PCS's dad. Can't be easy having a demonstrably batshit crazy son, and the response is fairly consistent with the message that was posted when PCS's site was shut down. I'm hoping that DPR gets legal. PCS crossed the line when he claimed DPR to be a paedophile and tried to stir-up a lynch mob. His dad described him as being harmless, but the lynch mob thing combined with his charity fraud and false DMCA activities would suggest otherwise. I think the only way PCS will learn is if the law hits him like a ton of bricks. --^{Ask me about your mother} 10:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm at work and no computers have sound. Can someone translate for me? ^narchist 14:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Geology related question - suggestions for study topics

I'm toying with doing some part-time study, and right now I'm looking at a geology degree. Could anyone could offer suggestions of fields of mathematics I could brush-up on prior to beginning the course? I've quite a few months, and I know I'm a bit rusty. --^{Ask me about your mother} 10:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It's many moons since I did geology at uni but I don't recall any maths being involved except in crystallography and maybe statistics. However, if you get involved with geophysics then you will need a good grasp of maths with regards to fourier analysis. Генгис^evolving 11:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Genghis. Geophysics is an area of interest, so I'll do a bit of digging around for that. --^{Ask me about your mother} 15:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

My university IP is vandal binned

Hi,

I'm afraid I am vandal binned because I share the same university IP (Which prevents circa 15,000 students from accessing this website, by the way) with a certain well known Irish troll. Is there any way that IP can be unbinned please? EdmundBurke (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is MarcusCicero unbinned?
Remember: Hi, This is John's brother. I know he has been using this account for a variety of reasons, none of them productive for his troublesome history of mental health problems. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about this but suffice to say my mother and father have decided to withdraw his access from the internet for the duration of his most recent treatment process. I apologise on my brothers behalf for any problems he may have caused this website during his period of instability. As you know, his posts have been of a bizarre quality but that is merely a reflection of his real world mental anguishes. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
And: 20:48, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Delaware" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Argument from incredulity" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Bohemian Grove" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "John F. Kennedy" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Lucid dream" ‎ 20:47, 5 December 2009 MarcusCicero (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Gerald Ford"
And: My glorious run has ended. This is not a case of 'leaving and never coming back', but more a case of 'burn out'. I created a personality on the internet so radically different from the real life version that I've forgotten even what trolls remorse feels like.. (You can thank Refugee over on RWW for providing the impetus) My highlights on RW: Making loads of people mad, especially Ace, Susan, Jeeves (Hi Jeeves! Wanker) and also Kels. Doing my best to persuade half of you that I 'was a dick who has something worthwhile to say', while really just being a dick and doing my best to annoy as many people as possible. Continuously rejecting the label of troll; even though I was the most transparent 'concern troll' in history. Riding the wave of mock grievance; So many times you put me on the centre stage with a semi reasonable grievance and I made sure to maximise the fallout as much as possible. Pretending to be a scholar (I know fuck all) One regret: Stooping to do the mental illness stunt. That was a terrible miscalculation. Adios RW! I may pop in from time to time, but at least now you'll know for sure than I'm a fully fledged troll! MarcusCicero 19:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
And: On the other hand, the temptation to shake the ant farm and watch them scurrying to each others aid is far too great to overcome. MarcusCicero (talk) 10:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

. - π 14:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

No, because you are MC. Stop pretending nobody knows. Totnesmartin (talk) 14:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Martin. I'm afraid that was a joke (I'm aware that some of you have trouble in detecting humour) Thanks for unbinning the university IP, whoever did it! EdmundBurke (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The humor was lost on me too. While I am sure everyone admires your magnanimous effort to free your fellow students from the dread vandal bin, I will note that when an individual such as yourself gets binned the associated IP block is of only a single address. One would have to range-bin to do what you suggested, which I don't see in the logs. I'm sure whatever university you're referring to has more than 1 IP address allocated to it. Please let me know if I'm wrong. 15:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I think it would be more or less impossible for a University to have only one IP. Unless it had only one device in its entire possession hooked up to the internet. ^narchist 18:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

134.226.1.229 appears to be a proxy server for Trinity College Dublin. ListenerX^TalkerX 18:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

My university does that, all the computers connect to the internet through a single proxy server, so it only has the one IP address.- π 03:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The same applies to my office. There is a company firewall with virus and content filtering so everything goes a single (very big) pipe and as it's contracted out (to ATT I think) the IP address even appears to be in a completely different country. I remember a CP discussion (SDG I think) where TerryH claimed to be some computer expert saying that an IP address would unlikely to be shared by more than four computers because he had set up networks for some local businesses. Генгис^evolving 11:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Was it unbinned? I still appear to be having issues. EdmundBurke (talk) 12:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It's not you, see the thread below. Генгис^evolving 13:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is the wiki running slower than a sick old nun?

The pages are taking forever to load up on my machine--only RW, all the rest of the internets are fine. Is it just me? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 14:18, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Seems ok here. Totnesmartin (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

ah, belay that... sick old nun here too. Totnesmartin (talk) 14:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Me too. ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 14:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Are nuns particularly slow? Bob Soles (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sick old ones are. Aboriginal Noise ^{Theist, barely hanging by a nail} 14:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

racing nuns! Totnesmartin (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It's been a bit sluggish for me. Sometimes the loading seems to get stuck for extended periods of time, but it'll work fine if I then open a new window and try the same thing. The old request remains stuck. All the other Internet tubes are working fine. --^{Ask me about your mother} 14:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

And I thought it was just me. Often I just get timeout messages. I suspect TMT's stashed his drug haul in the server and it's overheating. Генгис^evolving 12:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Quiddity and Dignity and Blasphemy

I may compose for RationalWiki an essay about dignity. (Thank you Weaseloid for your instructions.) The essay would discuss what dignity means and how people use the word. The essay may include some brief remarks about "quiddity." I have posted the remarks about quiddity here. The essay will help readers to understand what is at the heart of claims such as "Blasphemy is an offence against every man's dignity." ESO  talk   18:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Gentlemen! In regards to the issue of Quiddity and Dignity and Blasphemy, I look forward to reading the essay on Quiddity and Dignity and Blasphemy which you may or may not compose for a certain "rational" website!!! I am sure that the aforementioned essay on Quiddity and Dignity and Blasphemy will, at the completion of Operation Who-the-Fuck-is-this-Concern-Troll-and-what-is-he-on-about be very highly ranked on a certain search engine that starts with a "G", which rhymes with "E' which stands for "Eso." OLE!! OLE!!! OLE!!1!!!1TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I still don't get it. ^narchist 18:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

"Blasphemy is an offence against every man's dignity" Bollocks. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 18:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Blasphemy tends more to be an assault on the dignity of God... ListenerX^TalkerX 18:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no such a thing. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

To which "a thing" are you referring? ListenerX^TalkerX 18:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

"God." TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

No matter; it is not an assault on any person's dignity in any event. ListenerX^TalkerX 18:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Blasphemy laws have to be one of the most stupid of enactments. If an all-seeing, ever-present, omnipotent gOD is so offended by what people say surely he can take the matter into his own hands rather than having to rely on fallible human narks. Генгис^evolving 20:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Eso, the opening remarks on your user page are amusing, but don't really help me understand about dignity more than I do already - they're confusing more than anything. The definition you're using doesn't seem to be the most commonly recognised one. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Shatner v Edward

Hehe, Shatner asks John Edward if he's psychotic instead of psychic, and tells him it's all woo woo. Go Shatner! Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 18:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Free Docos

Not sure i I have posted this before but this site has some very good free docos - Enron"Smartest Guys in the Room, Sicko, etc etc. Aceⁱ⁹ 20:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

damnit! Enron is in spanish. Fuck. Aceⁱ⁹ 20:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sicko is a good movie. So is Super Size Me. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 13:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

On the Origin

Can anybody recommend a good, annotated printing of On the Origin of Species? I can recognize Comfort's version, so don't worry about that. Amazon links would be appreciated. Corry (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Maus III

Ffs, Kitty 3 brought a live mouse into the house again (after a long break), and so I rescued it (again). On the way to the back door I showed maus to the wife, and the little fucker jumped out of my hands. So I spent a while chasing the little cunt around the living room until I realised what I was up against. This little grey fucker was some kind of ninja mouse. Every time I went for him (or her) he'd do a ninja jump off the nearest wall and nip round the corner. The fucker went behind the fire and managed to sneak himself into the air vent in the gas fire, so I don't care anymore. The twat can starve to death for all I care. I've spent far too long rescuing the little pricks to care. Fine. You kill yourself. I've set live capture traps around the fireplace, and if he doesn't fall for it then the gas fire goes on, know what I mean? If god does exist then he'd better show up pronto. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 00:08, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Somehow your stories about mice all seem to be metaphors for life. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with your rodent endeavors. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 03:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Come winter, the little bastards start creeping around the house making skittering sounds on the floorboards and gnawing the insulation off my electric cables. I put some gravity operated live capture traps down where there was evidence of them. In the middle of the night we got one, then bloody trap starts rocking backwards and forwards on the floorboards making a noise which offended the sensibilities of Mrs K. So what does one do? If I release it outside the door it will go right back to its secret entrance and come back in. So I left it on the step hoping the sub-zero temperatures would do it in (cruel thing that I am). Next morning the little beasty was still very much alive, so I was left with the option of having to despatch it or release it far enough away that it couldn't find its way back. How does one humanely kill a live mouse? With a brick? Now it's back to the traditional spring loaded ones (which are actually pretty quick as they tend to break the neck) and bowls of blue pellets. Генгис^evolving 21:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Mice are very territorial and if you "humanely" release one far from its patch, the other local mice will gang up and kill it. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

When I catch live mice, I use them as bait for owl-fishing. Tasty! ħuman 22:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure I heard a prog on BBC Radio 4 about a year ago describing how they used to make sugar mice with real mice in Victorian times (or earlier). That's why the are pink - the fur has been removed. But a quick Google doesn't turn up anything about this. I can't have been a spoof as it was at the wrong time of day. Генгис^evolving 00:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The Dutch have something called Muisjes ("mice") which are sugar-coated aniseed, used a topping on bread or biscuits. There is also a powdered version, called Gestampte Muisjes ("crushed mice"). Tasty! Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 16:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone remember...?

I remember recently hearing about a famous court case in which a woman refused medical treatment for her son, who then died, but she was not convicted because she did it for "religious reasons." Does anyone know the name of the case? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 03:18, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

There's been a few involving the Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You probably mean the Twitchell case. Christian Scientists do this nuttery every so often.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia} 03:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Those creeps disgusted me when I saw a photo of the couple - one of them was wearing glasses. Why couldn't they just pray away the myopia? ħuman 22:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It was probably a type of myopia which caused them to be CS. 84.87.218.188 (talk) 22:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Atheists are immoral accusations

Any of you ever been accused of being immoral or evil because you're atheist? I'm seriously getting tired of being accused of that. At least I do good things because I want and not because I'm afraid of God.^{— Unsigned, by: Mr.Orange / talk / contribs}

Fortunately I know very few "atheists are evil" fundies. If someone accused me of that I'd just tell them to fuck off and tell them exactly how I feel - namely what you said, I do good things because I want to, not because "God" tells me to. (Also please sign ya post with four tildes) SJ ^Debaser 18:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Not been accused of that in real life, but I come from a fairly secular country (UK) although from a nominally Christian family. Atheist is pretty much the default here nowadays. I've encountered those arguments a lot on American right-wing websites & blogs, which I've only really looked at because of RationalWiki etc. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

well, i come from a country where most people are catholics. And seriously most of them are hypocrites because they don't follow any of the things the bible tells them. they're just catholics because their "mommy" told them to be catholic. (forgot to sign the previous post :))Mr.Orange (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

As an Athiest you have NO BASIS OF OBJECTIVE MORALITY ! You can only have some self imposed relative morality and everyone knows that Moral Relatavism is purely the work of evil athiest Christ deniers like that frizzy haired Einstein. (er sorry ;) been reading too much aSK ) Hamster (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

If religion gave an objective moral base, there wouldn't be so many versions & interpretations of it. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I've never been accused of anything, but I do get some funny looks when I say I'm an atheist. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 19:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Never IRL thank fuck. ^narchist 20:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Been an awfully long time since I was approached by a proselyte, thank chastity. I mostly keep my beliefs to myself, mostly since they are a work in progress, and will continue that way forever. Or whichever ceases first, me or them. "When god wants to find me, they know where I live." pretty well sums it up. Maybe that makes me a label-avoiding pantheist. So be it. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Working in some arabic countries you need to specifiy your religion to get a visa. Putting down none is not a smart move if you want to work in somewhere like Saudi, so I would lie and put down Church of England. However, I became increasingly uncomfortable about doing that and started writing 'Hedonist'. Amazingly it was never queried. Генгис^evolving 21:18, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You might like to ask why the Godbotherers are always so sad when someone dies. They're going to a better place aren't they? So it must be selfish sadness. ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 06:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

They are sad because they think it will be a long time before they meet again; that is not particularly selfish. ListenerX^TalkerX 06:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

There's some anecdotal evidence to say that those who believe in an afterlife get far more stressed around death. Whereas you'd think it's the heathen atheists who would be more shit scared of existence just ending. I'm not quite sure "selfish" is the right word, but there's definitely something up with that. ^narchist 09:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, they have spent their whole life telling the world they are better than other people; wouldn't you be worried about finally meeting your Saviour who supposedly spoke a lot about humbleness? Pietrow (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Same reason people get stressed leading up to a performance review at work, or being called in to the Headmaster's Office at school. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 14:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Image search

Is there a way to search for an image / file's origin, e.g. if you have a picture can you take its hash and google for all references to it on the tubes? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 20:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You need TinEye. Генгис^evolving 21:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

heh, I just found it before checking back here. Thanks though. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 22:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Labs have a similar thing going but it's not massively powerful at the moment. ^narchist 09:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The ultimate in audiophoolery?

I'm not sure if this outdoes the super-expensive mains leads, but check THIS shit out! Yes, that's right, it's a $500 cat5 cable! Luckily most of the 'reviewers' on Amazon realise this, and most of the reviews are most entertaining. Example

I couldn't believe a cable could make so much difference, so I connected a cable tester to it and saw that it rendered the 0s and 1s perfectly. I'm even getting some 2s and 3s!!! None of my other ethernet cables have ever done that.

DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 23:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

We have a page on Audio woo, perhaps you'd like to add to it. Генгис^evolving 00:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Would the related purchase suggestion imply that someone has actually bought one of these cables? --^{Ask me about your mother} 00:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember this sort of thing going around a few years ago and now all the overpriced audio goods on Amazon have absolutely hilarious reviews. Currently, I'm reading about how it stopped global warming and how, if you use them, something comes through from the void. ^narchist 09:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Internet Argument Techniques

From Cracked. I am sure we can name people who use these. - π 11:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, do they include People who accuse innocents of being a sock! ? EdmundBurke (talk) 11:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh! I see what you doing there. - π 12:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The article was rather funny, but all of the examples were of illiterate idiots. Hardly representative of the more intelligent troll. EdmundBurke (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The examples were fake. Isn't intelligent troll an oxymoron? - π 12:28, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Number 10 was the best. Mr.Orange (talk) 13:54, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Rant

So my old man works with this happy-clappy fuckface, who keeps on trying to convert him. Now, he's always willing to debate with Christians over various aspects of their faith - he's an engineer, so take it whence it comes - although he admits that the constant 'you must have faith' replies gets on his nipples. Now, this little wanker has taken to leaving little printed messages in teh pater's office, including the one below. I mean really, how sick, warped and twisted are these people. If that was me, I wouldn't be converted, I'd be pushing the creepy little fundie's face through the wall. (btw, said fundie is also an engineer with 2 degrees, so he has no excuse).

“”Declaration: I, <name>, accept and understand that I am going to hell(he spelt it with a small 'h' - can't be a real Xian) with the devil and his demons, because I do accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour. I further declare that I am fully aware of the consequences of my actions and choices. I declare that I am of sound mind and judgment(sic).

^{— Unsigned, by: Psygremlin / talk / contribs}

Reminds me of when the Student's Union's LGBT rep got an email from the Christian Union (who aren't an official, ratified society... <extreme sarcasm>I just can't figure out why</extreme sarcasm>) saying "we are aware of and understand your lifestyle choices and are praying that you don't go to hell". Fuck-nuggets the lot of them. ^narchist 11:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I would have reported him to his boss if I saw this. It almost borders on harassment. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 14:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

There's no almost about it. Nobody has to take that kind of crap at work. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 15:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Murkins are funny. ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 14:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

This is exactly why hardline Christian's piss off everyone else - they force their views on everyone else, trying to stop perfectly happy people from doing what makes them happy, whether it be being gay, smoking, drinking, having sex, etc. then don't understand why they get told to fuck off by the rest of the world. SJ ^Debaser 14:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

And the worst thing is that you can't convince this guy that he's wrong to harass people in such a manner. In his mind, he's trying to save your dad from an eternity of God's Sweet Loving Wrath^TM, and any tactic he can think of is fair game. Corry (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Re the note, wouldn't being "of sound mind and judgment" pretty much guarantee you wouldn't sign it? --Kels (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this prick God's notary or something? If he's willing to accept such a signature as being confirmation of your dad's acceptance of eternal damnation then it may actually be worth singing it if the fundie agrees to go away.--^{Ask me about your mother} 15:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't it read "I do not accept Jesse Christ as my personal lord and saviour"? 84.87.218.188 (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I think I may have very much told one of them to properly fuck off once. Although I can't quite remember if it was a dream or I was hideously drunk. Those sort of things do get confused. Someone being a dick is someone being a dick whether they're black, white, Christian, atheist, D&D player or what-the-fuck-ever and no one should be afraid to tell such people where to stick it. ^narchist 17:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this guy's boss aware of what he's doing? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 17:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I had a similar problem once . I solved it by sticking a small black candle on a fake little skull ( actually a joke ashtray) and leaving iton my desk. The helpful christian would not enter my cubical after that. I was in an area where most people saw it as a joke. I wouldn't try it in areas of the USA. Talk to your boss or company personell office. Hamster (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The Big Sort

I just read a Malcolm Gladwell-ish book called "The Big Sort". Basically it talked about how America is "migrating" into clusters of like-minded people, which is causing the current political polarization. I strongly recommend it to anyone interested in US politics. Or, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, a good summary is here. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 17:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)