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Mystery: Why is Andy not Knocked up?

This one's a keeper. It's hard to even know where to start, really. I think his point is "logic = agreeing with me, people doubt what I say, so doubt prevents logic". --Kels 14:32, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the last sentence probably sums up his thinking (remember, this is Andyworld we're talking about) - "It can result in a rejection of what is immediately known and observable in favour of an irrational position." In his case "what is immediately known" = everything the Bible, including Andy's, Ken's and PJR's wild distortions of the contents (but excluding the liberal bits) and "irrational position" = science, reality, sanity, etc., etc. I bet a mowse and pi's underwear collection that "You're an irrational doubter" becomes the new "You're clueless" before long. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:44, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I suspect today's sermon had something to do with doubt, so he's getting it down while the load is steaming idea is fresh. --Kels 14:47, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

This one's actually a relatively tame mystery/essay, come to think of it. Still crazy by normal standards (for the above reasons and more), but for Andy, it almost sounds sane. --Sid 14:59, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

"Given that God indisputably can and could do this, there is no logical basis for doubting that He did do it". OK, so concluding that something definitely happened follows logically from knowing that it could happen. How about this: given that Jesus indisputably could have had sex with Mary Magdalene, there is no logical basis for denying that He did do it with her. weaseLOId~ 15:59, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC)Andy truly seems to confuse common sense, intuition, etc. with logic, which combined with his tendence to value conclusions derived from pure "logic" over those derived from empyrical data (for example, while arguing specific cases of gun control) doesn't make it surprising we get the beacon of closed-mindedness we see daily. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 16:01, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

What you're describing is old-school rationalism, or the valuation of pure logic and internal philosophical consistency over empericism. Note that Schafly fails at both of those elements. I here it's still popular in mathematics, but gets little play elsewhere. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:54, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, more than popular it's the end-all be-all of mathematics (as far as I'm aware anyway). NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 16:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Because he's ugly. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:13, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Clearly Andy hasn't been reading Kierkegaard. If he had, he'd know that doubt is good for the soul. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:52, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

If that's true, shouldn't he be the happiest person alive right now? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:54, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

So when do you start shipping Kierkegaard brand condoms, pregnancy tests and epi-pens? --JeevesMkII 16:56, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Somehow I doubt that would really break into the market. RA: How so? Doubt and Schlafly are not two things I usually connect with each other. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, I misread your comment. I thought you meant that Kiergaard said being ugly brought happiness. : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:46, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

It helps you to avoid scaring people with your wild-eyed "clarity" of thought, too. --Robledo 17:02, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Since there is no doubt Andy could put gerbils into his anus to get his jollies there is absolutely no reason to doubt that he does. (I m going to get Andy associated with this practice if it's the last thing I do.) I like this logic. DickTurpis 17:34, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Cool, Andy heeds the words of Grima Wormtongue, and decides that maybe the reason people disagree with him is because they're evil. Can't make this stuff up, folks! --Kels 18:11, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

End of doubt about Bugler

I know for some strange reason there has been some doubt about whether Bugler is indeed a parodist. I know you are also all familiar with this link. http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Bugler&diff=prev&oldid=513282. The ONLY time he has ever shortened a user's name to initials is Helpjazz - and he shortened his name to HJ (I'm not sure if US is the same, but it's school-boy Hand-job reference here). Chances of not being a parodist are surely low. 86.129.226.142 17:13, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I've never heard this abbreviation before, in any country.

Trust me on this: Bugler is genuine. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 17:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I cannot conceive that Bugler is the real deal. I can only imagine he's a parodist or sock of Andy. Nobody could be that dysfunctional. --JeevesMkII 17:22, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

It's used all the time in England, and it's the only time he's ever shortened a name. There is no way he's genuine - no way. The rest of his edits say he's a parodist - this one confirms it to the 99.999%. 86.129.226.142 17:23, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I live in England, and I've never heard it used. I think this may be a local thing round your way, mate. --JeevesMkII 17:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Ditto (more-or-less) Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 17:26, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Another Brit not familiar with this abbreviation. (Although I've heard "BJ".)--Bob^{bing up} 17:28, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

<four edit conflicts, Goddammit!> I'm in England & never heard HJ as handjob. Often heard BJ to mean blowjob, but I believe that originated in USA, not UK. & No, it's not the only time Bugler has shortened names. Sorry to disappoint. (Welcome, BTW, 86.129.etc. Please pull up a goat & create a RW account). weaseLOId~ 17:30, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

(me too!) Also, do you spend a lot of time discussing hand jobs? And in what context? "I got a terrific hand job last night from a tranny I met in the park"? --JeevesMkII 17:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Bungler also uses the affectionate "Toffers" when trying to stifle Toffeeman. What park? ħuman 17:34, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Hand-job was always used as a sub for calling someone a wanker(BJ can't really be - and I wasn't trying to claim HJ as English in the way we invented the cat. I bow to the fact that Bugler has been using abbreviations before. I love you all lots though 86.129.226.142 17:36, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Fangs ^_^ We love you too. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 17:38, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Chippeterson

His editing binge is his activity at cp:Wikiproject:News/Wanted_page on meth-fueled overdrive. He's up to about 110 "articles" created from the wanted list. I'd be embarrassed if I were he, some of those one sentence "definitions" aren't even sentences... Ah, here is the latest magic diff. ħuman 17:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I see. I thought maybe he was just trying to create as many new entries as possible for the hell of it. Or just opening the dictionary at random & going from there. Your explanation makes much more sense. weaseLOId~ 17:53, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Where did they even get this godawful list of wanted pages? Did someone randomly add sets of brackets around random words? I know CP isn't WP, and therefore has no "CP Is Not a Dictionary" policy, but really, does an encyclopedia need a pisspoor definition of "thing"? DickTurpis 17:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Where did they even get this godawful list of wanted pages? It's Croc's idea. He makes up the lists, to have 'fun'. Fretfulporpentine 18:02, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

It's doubtful that Chippeterson & Bugler will be watching all their myriad new 'articles' too closely, so there's probably room for some good wandalism & parody to be added to them. weaseLOId~ 18:06, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

You forget how much worse it could have been. If Ed wrote it, it would have been a one line quote about The Thing from the fantastic four. --JeevesMkII 18:06, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Originally, it was a good idea - use the broken news to generate a list of wanted articles (topics & words in the new items), because they would, I guess, be more "on mission" for CP than random redlinks. I don't know why DeanS snapped and added every noun and half the verbs on the main page, though. ħuman 18:10, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Chippeterson certainly has problems distinguishing adjectives (compliant, troubled) from verbs. My favourite is still unproven - "Unproven is to not learn or find out by experience". weaseLOId~ 18:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I like the way he doesn't even see in what context the links are used. His socio-political movement talks blithely about a political party in Moldova (incorrect capitalisation) yet in the original context it refers to what Barack Obama represents. Генгис^mutating 04:45, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Good point! The Main Page hysteria about British authorities putting children into care mentions "gaoling the parents if they try to [[contact]] their offspring", but Chippeterson's "contact" stub is all about the limbs of celestial bodies during an eclipse. Nice work, Chippy. weaseLOId~ 07:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

{undent}Given that this little project keeps Croc busy (and gives him his jollies too by the way he keeps describing it as fun), wouldn't a more worthwhile project be allocating peons to the proper wanted items pages to complete those entries? Especially given that there's 478 entries there, which is surely better than throwing out random nouns, verbs and adjectives? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 07:58, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Account creation

Have they turned off account creation over there again? I wanted get on to explain to Andy that this nugget of wisdom is totally wrong. Its not that blind dont "believe" they can see again its that after being blind for so long the brain forgets how to navigate using sight hence, when vision comes back, you have to learn to see again. Fuck Andy, read some Oliver Sacks before making such ridiculous claims. Moron. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 18:05, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't know if it's Andy's intention or not, but his sad little essay labels all doubt as illogical and negative. Anyone have a Nigerian money email to send him? DickTurpis 18:12, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

HAHAHAHA That would fucking hilarious! Hey Andy, "You may have already won!" Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 18:15, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Funniest part is, Andy's just the sort to fall for one of those. --Kels 18:25, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

And another thing

While I am here, this whole liberalism/socialism causes mental illness/bi-polar is so wrong. Almost most every nutball I have seen in streets is muttering and yelling about Jesus and the bible. Its not often you see some crazy wandering around yelling about Karl Marx. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 18:20, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

True. My own theory is that intelligent people who are open to a wide variety of thought and literature(or "liberal teachings" as Andy would term it) are more likely to recognise any problems in themselves, seek and help and thus more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness. People with mental health problems who have a more restrictive worldview are much less likely to recognise the nature of their problems but may use fervent religious or political activity as an outlet for their mania, OCD, personality disorders & whatever. weaseLOId~ 18:29, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Or they may even start their own online encyclopedia. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:03, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Off topic, but what the fuck

Anyone catch SNL last night? Not only was there a bit where Tina Fey did a really convincing Sarah Palin (people say they look alike, but Fey is about 500 times hotter) but there was a Quizbowl skit with homeschoolers vs. public schoolers. Of course, I thought of Andy the whole time (Q:"What two parts of an atom are found in the nucleus?" A:"Jesus and angels."). The Palin bit is on the NBC website, but not the homeschool skit, unfortunately. Anyway it was funny. Too bad Phelps is a poor actor. DickTurpis 18:49, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehe, while this was happening I was on the phone with a friend talking about how Fey was gonna get drafted back to SNL to play Palin. She did pretty well on some of the trademark gestures and speech patterns. And they unloaded on Palin quite nicely, too... "ask this lady about dinosaurs", indeed! ħuman 19:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Clinton - I believe the Bush doctrine is wrong. Palin - And I don't even know what that is. Tina Fey > Sarah Palin. Stile4aly 19:53, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

moar off-topic

I wanna just hear McCain say, "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." Silly Mr. Cat 20:10, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

New signature I see. Well, you can't fool us. Whatever handle you may use, you are still Fuzzy Kettleticket, aka NathanG, aka na-Thang (as I think I shall call you from now on). DickTurpis 20:17, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Mr. Turpis is correct - there is simply no escaping a nickname as great as Fuzzy Kettleticket. DogP 20:59, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

It's a random signature, like Jellyfish can haz. Silly Mr. Cat 23:25, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

No matter, no matter, na-Thang, but can I just say that is the most out-of-character edit summary I have yet seen? DickTurpis 23:27, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

You can't fool us (again), we know what that φ means. Генгис^mutating 04:49, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, it means I have a big emotional attachment to... Silly Mr. Cat 07:01, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

New picture time

Time again for Conservative to add yet another picture to the frontpage. How long until he owns the how page and how will Croco and Joaquín Martínez react when they realize he wants all the spotlight? Also this newest one makes even less sense since all it does is point out that a bad idea (Lamarckism) used by stupid goverments (Stalin and Mao) makes bad things happen and then tries to blame evolution. --BoredCPer 22:49, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

He has basically stopped trying making any sense whatsoever and stopped caring what anyone else thinks. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 22:58, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Gawd, he's bonkers. At least we still argue amongst ourselves to no result, there, the handful who dare just do whatever they want. ħuman 23:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

He's not bonkers, he's just a total moron. Honestly, and without hyperbole, this guy is just a complete fucking idiot. DickTurpis 23:12, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Seconded. I think that the best term to describe him is "offensively stupid". --Horace 23:25, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Can you tell that I'm still a bit bitter about my favorite son candidate being passed over for the biggest idiot award? DickTurpis 23:43, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, he's always been a favourite idiot of mine too. I am actually quite enjoying seeing his push to take over the Main Page. I like to think that it will end in tears in one way or another. --Horace 23:55, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but as big of an idiot ken might be... grinning Ed is still the picture my dictionary has next to the word. Ken is a different kind of idiot. Stupid, but strangely effective is his special corner of the world. ħuman 00:11, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I think what Ken needs is some subtle encouragement. I eagerly await the day that 75% of mainpageleft is Kennyboy's scrapbook of idiocy. Any chance of his pathetic jokes from his userpage migrating to the mainpage? That would be classic. Certainly Andy doesn't have the balls to suggest it isn't the most prudent of moves. Only resident whipping-boy PJR is would be likely to raise the issue. I'd love to see what would unfold. DickTurpis 00:22, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

There is some considerable merit in your suggestion. I am concerned, however, as to whether Officer John Greene of the Montgomery Police Department Canine Section would be happy to have his image used on the Main Page of a crackpot blog. --Horace 02:07, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Ok, so the old new picture is gone and a new new picture is up. Apparently, Darwin still doesn't rank high enough to get his picture above Hitler's. Ugh. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:21, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I bet the one he took down will be back, if not I get the credit for it going down since we all know how much he reads us :) --BoredCPer 23:29, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Conservative is a complete and utter teacup. There is nothing more to say. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 23:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Template mainpageleft now = Kendoll's blog? WTF? ħuman 23:27, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy is going to let it continue because he agrees with it, the fact that it is against even the most basic of collaborative procedures to have one person continually promoting their pet article on the front page is irrelevant. If the topic is raised to Andy in his usual inability to stay on topic he will ignore the issue of Ken's article ownership and his front-page advertising and instead claim you are censoring the Truth^TM. The annoying bit is it will be someone who disagrees with Ken's evolution article that will first complain of his front-page abuse and Andy will fill justified in ignoring them. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 02:35, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy doesn't need to agree with something his minions do in order to ignore it, it simply needs not disagree with his own views and he won't care if it's plastered over the main page or if every other non-sysop (and then maybe that includes each sysop) show their concerns about it, in his mind that is much better than having to deal with his goons. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 03:00, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

What annoys me most about Ken is his flippin inability to use the minor edit button when making the gazillion edits required to fix his work, so we get a recent changes filled up with him "fixing" his drivel. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 05:57, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Ooh... update... do I have another fan? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 06:18, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

"Formerly there was just blank space and it has been that way for a long time." - Come again, Ken? That's my default browser window width on my default resolution (1280*1024), and I imagine it's not too different on other systems. I had to paste two screenshots together just to be able to get both sections into a single image (hence the two scroll bar thingies)! --Sid 06:43, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I saw this also on that idiot Ray Comfort's blog. Do these moronic creationists have a sewing circle or something where the swap the latest news in mangling and distorting the truth? Anyway, this one pissed me off enough to add an overlong footnote to the quote mining artice. --JeevesMkII 06:47, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

you know what's really sad about Conservative and his little picture "jokes." Aside from being so utteryly stupid and too long to be funny, he actually butchers some really funny jokes by proxy. The one with the dogs is actually from a very funny misdirect, but now everytime I see it I think of him and his stupid religious nonsense. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 13:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy broke his blog again

I'm sure it will be back soon, but still... maybe he killed it for good? (We can only hope) ħuman 23:46, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

He reinserted the hamster and all is well. Someone want to archive this pig of a file, or is it my turn? ħuman 00:09, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Pi guy. I 'ppreciate it. ħuman 01:04, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

France and Detritus...

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Seems like Assfly has deleted and re-created "France." And in possible related news, whoever has run "Detritus" up to the Top-5 on CP's most popular articles list is my new boyfriend. PFoster 00:09, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

So he broke the ASCHLAFLY IS A TOTAL FUCKTARD thing? We would have told them how when they were trying, if they'd only asked. Whitewash and memory hole!!! By the way, that link doesn't really show what you are trying to say, I think. ħuman 00:14, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

This does. ħuman 00:15, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, I thought they'd disabled the Popularpages stats a while back. Looks like it's time to have fun with them. :) ...I also like #45 on the list, Fire drill.

Wait... that means that Andy reads TWIGO too - I can't remember much mention of it over there, unless the wires have been humming. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 03:30, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I assume CPAdmin1 tole Andy about it. Oh yeah, and "Detritus" is up to #4 now. --Marty 04:12, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh wow. I actually thought of something like that (the "is a total fucktard" thing) the other night. RationalWiki collective unconscious? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 04:49, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Even better, Andy seems to think that by removing 1 letter from the sequence nobody will be able to read the message. Has the Head Loon never heard of "pattern recognition"? The man really does give teh stoopid a whole new meaning. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 04:55, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

So the LHC just disintegrated 189K page views for France. :( Генгис^mutating 05:30, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

And how did the Theo Hobson stub crack the top 20? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 05:51, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I see that Astrolabe is fighting its way back up the list. Bravo! --Horace 07:21, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

The O'Hobson article is a nother one of Ken's pet articles. People think that page views for his articles have been bumped by parodists but I have evidence that he has been manipulating his own CP rankings. I see Aesthetics also had the phoenix treatment but that wasn't in the "hidden message" list, maybe it just got caught in the backwash as Andy killed Detritus. Генгис^mutating 11:46, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Round two, Conservapedia's Biggest Idiot?

The recent burst of mind numbing stupidity from CP has got me thinking, is it time to host another round of voting for CP's biggest idiot? My voucher would have to go to Andy, so blindly denying the obvious flaws in his own paper. ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ I like pointless toothpicks

Nuh uh. Ed is so stupid, he wins the award in perpetuity. Maybe we should have weight classes or something. Ed can compete on his own for the stupidity super heavyweight belt, and let the intellectual flyweights duke it out for the own greater glory. --JeevesMkII 10:20, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe Ed should be exempt from this round, being such a clear front-runner and previous winner. Jinx _{hi Jinx!} is your man, in that case. Bondurant 10:22, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of Ed, he's been noticeably absent lately. Could he be shudder teaching? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:27, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy's not so much stupid (not that he's, you know. "intelligent," either...) as he is wilfully ideologically blinded to facts and logic. Conservative is your man, hands down. Moron. 10:28, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Previously, I struggled with the definition of "idiot." I took it to mean somebody who is intelligent, but completely stupid at the same time, and for that my nomination last time was PJR. Clearly an intelligent man, but who completely disregards the higher functions of his brain when it comes to science. Bondurant 10:31, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

While I agree that Ken should be the winner, they're all such good choices (except Bugler, that man is a masterpiece of parody; I can't believe they still haven't figured it out). Nevertheless, I don't think there's any point in voting again, as it was recently settled in Ed's favor, and the majority decision should stand. Though I do wonder where he is. He's been absent from Wikipedia too. DickTurpis 10:33, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and as the originator of the previous contest, I was supposing "biggest idiot" to be synonymous with "stupidest". I guess not everyone agreed with that definition. DickTurpis 10:35, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC)Ed won the last one by a considerable margin and that was before the latest mathematics madness, either we make another contest (I suggest Conservapedia's most deluded) or we exclude Ed from this one. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 10:34, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe we should do a full-on awards ceremony, with different categories. And then we can swoop on CP en-masse and plant the awards certificates on each user's talk page. Starter for 10: The Colbert award for best parodist: Bugler! Come on down, Bugler and saw a few words for your fans. Bondurant 10:41, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't we make it more like school awards day. Everyone gets something, even if it's only a prize for scripture knowledge :D --JeevesMkII 10:47, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Normally I don't like such things, but I think that may not be a bad idea now. We've already chosen an obvious award and decided who most deserved it, if we're going to do any other awards it might be bet to choose the individual and decide what award they most deserve. It could be fun. DickTurpis 10:54, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

To have a "biggest idiot" implies that idiocy only exists in a greater & lesser degree, & ignores the full spectrum of different kinds of idiocy we can see at CP. I am in favour of each of the major players getting their own idiot epithet - e.g. Conservative - fatuous knucklehead; Ed Poor - dysfunctional cretin; Learn Together - simpering dunce; Jinx - gibbering manchild; Andy - deluded megalomaniac idiotic king. And so on. weaseLOId~ 11:01, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I can get behind the idea of the awards ceremony. Do you get extra points for how long you can make the "award" last on the user:talk page? Armondikov 11:07, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

So if we do host this particulr awards event, there would be individual categories, such as "Master of Delusions" and "Prosecution complex?" I think it's a better idea than what I offered. =)ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ I like pointless toothpicks

Another possibility is to rate each idiot in several different categories using sliders like RW:AOTW ones (e.g. vanity, prejudice, general stupidity, denial of reality, etc.) weaseLOId~ 11:32, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh man. That's dangerously close to Conservapedia Top Trumps. I'm sure you don't want to go there, believe me I've opened that can of worms before. --JeevesMkII 11:39, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

That's fantastic! weaseLOId~ 11:44, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

If we're going to have another Biggest Idiot Competition, DickTurpis and I are going to be mighty miffed if Kenservative doesn't win. Last time out Conservative's campaign was sunk by the swift-boats of the Ed "Poor At Maths" cabal, and his long-overdue crowning was consigned to the dustbin of history. Let there be no ballot-rigging this time! And if things get dirty, well, you can be sure that the Kenservative campaign will not go down without a fight this time. We live again! DogP 11:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent)Hi, I'm here again I would like to motion for Biggest Idiot, round two. That will eliminate Ed from the running, but also allow him to keep his original award. With some good planning, this could become the Nobel prize of Conservapedia. Same award, different recipient. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 12:42, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Suggestions so far

1. Another round of voting, with Ed eliminated from the ballot. He keeps the original award. (This award becomes a biannual event? The template says "First, second, third etc?)

2. Sliding bars ranking the various candidates in terms of stupidity, arrogance, fear of others, etc, similar to the Article of the Weak.

3. Nomination of candidates under qualities, and a direct vote for if they meet that category.

4. No, none of the above.

I suppose that we should compile a few more suggestions before opening the above to voting. What do you guys think so far? ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ I like pointless toothpicks

I support option number 1 with one slight mod. Instead of saying 2nd, 3rd etc. We should make a note that this is simply round 2. Meaning it's not "X was voted second biggest idiot on Conservapedia" but "X was voted biggest idiot on Conservapedia for the second round of voting." I also think we should open further rounds to previous winners. They can't win twice in a row, but Ed should be in the running for round three. I also think we need to just allow that Andy is the ultimate stupidity behind Conservapedia and give some kind of recognition. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 13:36, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't much care for #1, as it's basically a repeat of what we just recently did. Ed won, and Andy was official runner up. I don't think anything has changed enough for any new results to be expected. #2 is interesting, I could maybe go for that. The idea of trying to come up with new awards tailored to each Conservapedian's qualities (or whatever the opposite of quality is) is intriguing too, though I think they would need to go beyond various forms of idiocy. DickTurpis 14:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

And down he goes

DinsdaleP goes down again.

If we do have an awards ceremony, I nominate DinsdaleP for "Most Impressive Block History". Bjones 11:18, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

While most of these were made in a by-gone era, AmesG still has the record @ 50. That (even today) a sock will be blocked as "AmesG" is testament to his lasting legacy and CP meme. CЯacke® 11:53, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

It says something (I'm not sure what) that they haven't just banned him for ever. They know he's going to come back and wave the truth at them and be rational, so they can ban him again. I think he does a sterling job of pointing out their wackiness (which they ignore anyway) without over-stepping the mark and allowing them to ban him permanently. In other words, he's doing a great job. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:27, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Well I felt sure that I'd be banned for this. But no, just a "warning". Perhaps Andy didn't understand it. Dinsdale is always rational and eloquent - perhaps they don't perma-ban him because they just do not understand what he's actually saying? --Toffeeman 11:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I especially liked your use of "Remember Caesar, thou art mortal". Keep up the good work. weaseLOId~ 11:55, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I'm reasonably confident that the teacher of the largest history class in the world won't get the reference. I'm strangely dissappointed to have missed a block: I even used "Godspeed"! Watch the block log though - others are pushing it (eg Argon). He keeps on going - just how much logic can Andy take?--Toffeeman 12:29, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

They doesn't get it

Several peon editors are soon to feel the wrath of the minions' banhammers over this. They seem to want to talk about "what did PNAS say was 'wrong' with the letter". His Highness seemingly cannot get it through to these people that the fucking letter was RIGHT, GODDAMMIT and the only thing "I want to hear is how to defend the letter."
Argon tries his best to make this about Lenski's experiment and the response (da letter) but the page is supposed to be "how to attack PNAS' dismissal of our Totally Righteous Letter, that haz zero flaux.
Schlafly wants to be reassured...talking about the experiment and the letter TO PNAS only underscores that this talk page is a retreat. Calls to "rethink" or "re-evaluate" only serve to make The King of the Boneheads nervous, since doing either would be dangerously close to admitting that maybe the Letter wasn't the bestest it could have been (IOW a mistake was made) [God forbid!]. Hence revisions and blocks are the norm until peace ensues and the matter can be forgotten.
I can almost see the next Liberal NOUN article now, to draw off likely suspects. CЯacke® 12:45, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Reversing an Aschlafly deletion is no way to win a popularity contest. --Neon 12:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

My chips are on "Liberal Combativeness." "Liberal combativeness is the tendency of Liberals to attack good, virtuous Conservatives ideas..." Barikada 13:02, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm guessing a new entry for "substantive" is on the way, applying Andy's own special meaning. weaseLOId~ 13:15, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

It Appears that now that Hitler is the first graphic on the Evolution page, the page has been permanently locked.

Not sure where to put this. Jimaginator 13:14, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

It's been locked for nearly eighteen months. That's why only one guy ever edits it. weaseLOId~ 13:21, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

That's what... he said! ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ I like pointless toothpicks

Oh Golly. I had no idea. Well, I guess it makes sense, evolution is such an unimportant, non-controversial topic and only a few scientists have ever heard of it, that it would make sense that the one and only expert in the world on the subject would be the one to edit it. You wouldn't want someone to accidently inject varying opinions into such an esoteric subject. LOL when I saw the link to the editor list! Thanks for the heads up. Oh, the humanity! Jimaginator 13:39, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

It has been brought up numerous times, but it's Conservative's little baby (and a rather ugly baby at that), so he won't volunarily let anyone else work on it. Andy is too afraid to step up to Conservative because it will mean that he made a mistake, and no other sysop can stand up to him because they don't have any way to stop Conservative from just locking it again. JazzMan 14:05, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

this has been said many times, but I think it's especially true now.... If Andy doesn't step up and take a real leadership role, his site is going to fall apart. As it stands right now, you have sysops wielding uncheck power over everyone else, and fighting with each other. The non admin users are about 95% parody/vandals, and the legit 5% are either leaving in droves or getting banned for years. This type of chaos usually caused a complete collapse in the old forum days. I don't think it'll mean that Conservapedia leaves the tubes forever, but it really going to be hurting here soon. Andy either needs to take the responsibility himself, or he should appoint somebody to oversee complaints. I would like to nominate myself. I wouldn't do any editing or bring any dirty liberal ideas onto your blog, Andy, I would just sit around like the arbitors(sp?) of old and settle disputes and dish out punishments. Hell, I'd even collaborate with you on your insane ramblings, no charge. SirChuckB^{This country needs more Rutabegas} 14:28, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

See, you're talking about the man who can't even organise his own picked force of sysops such that he doesn't have to lock the damn wiki every time he goes to sleep just to keep order. The man couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Now, lots of people have zero management skills and there's nothing particularly wrong with that, but if that describes you then you really need to learn to delegate and fast. As far as I can tell, he isn't really interested in expanding his wiki beyond the stage where he can personally oversee every edit, block and rights decision. He doesn't trust anyone (in part of course thanks to many of us here, good job guys! :D) and he can't do it himself, he really ought to give it up and make himself a nice private wiki for the purposes of teaching his ridiculous "homeschooling" classes. At least then we couldn't take the piss out of how stupid his pupils are. Edited to add: On reflection, I guess at least 70% of his problem is his refusal to countenance concrete, objective rules and their enforcement. I guess he likes to be able to block for ideology and have some form of plausible deniability too much. You can't ask a committee to enforce the rules if you don't have any. --JeevesMkII 14:50, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

My 3 cents: The first time I was knocked off of CP, it was for asking "Isn't this supposed to be a wiki?". It is interesting to see how it is possible/not possible to get other people to work on the wiki, while controlling the content at the same time. I suspect that what pisses off the vandals at CP is not so much WHAT is said, but that it is claimed that a. It's a wiki and b. It's trustworthy and wonderful and all that. Like the Nazi sites, if Andy had created the website to be his personal vision, nobody would care. It's the claim of "Fair and Balanced" (sic) which riles up them godless liberals. 209.191.33.91 15:12, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Chipperston again

If this guy is being hailed as CP's new meister-poster then gawd help them. Come back Ed "Two Meters" Poor, all is forgiven. Anybody care to guess what a "Novelist for fiction" is? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:41, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

There is so much wrong with the Wallace article, but my personal favourite thing about it is that Wallace wrote for "the Atlantic," complete with a link to the Atlantic...Ocean. PFoster 14:46, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Classic! And what a stunning, in-depth (excuse the pun) article Atlantic is too. Surely these can't be accidental? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:55, 15 September 2008 (EDT)