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Historical Quote

Doesn't this quote off the front page "Look at nature, work independently, and solve your own problems." sort of fly in the face of fundie belief? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 01:07, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Not at all. "Look at nature (i.e. the Bible, the natural word of God), work independently (study your Bible in an independent manner) and solve your own problems (through the study of Bible and prayer)" Where's the issue with that? DickTurpis 01:11, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Fundamentalism grew out of the Protestant idea of personal interpretation of the Bible, so it's reasonable to see it there. Totnesmartin 05:35, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

(Look at nature)+(work independently)+(solve your own problems)=genius!--Antifly 13:08, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Lenski statistics

Andy keeps complaining about combining different samples: "The studies were not combined in a logical manner". I'm blocked, but has anyone asked over there if he's read the paper on z-transforms which explains the statistical technique used (pdf here)? And if he has had read it, which bit exactly does he think is wrong? alt 06:06, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It probably was asked. It goes in the big pile of statistical questions Andy has ignored. It's pretty obvious that he just doesn't really understand the statistics involved; he was fed his "objections" by another CP user, he didn't think of them himself.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 06:45, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It is blatantly obvious to everyone, including the sysops and other sympathetic editors. And they all read here, so it's not like they don't know about it. And not one of them has the balls to say anything. HELLO CHAPS! THE EMPEROR IS PARADING UP AND DOWN THE INTERNET WITH NO CLOTHES ON!!! 121.44.9.208 08:49, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Schlafly is a tit. Blount et al. did run the numbers with and without weighting for total number of Cit+ mutants recovered in each experiment. Maybe Schlafly is complaining about not applying weighting for the number of replicates run. But had Andy run the numbers and used weighting for the number of replicates, he would have found that p < 0.05, meaning that the results remain statistically significant. That is the worst case calculation and isn't necessarily the correct one because the first experiment involved multiple generations and more cells overall. The reference Blount et al. used for the calculation is MC Whitlock's paper (J. Evol. Biol. 18(2005) pp1368-1373). The weighted Z-method calculation is described on p1369 of that reference. Here's the formula: weighted Z-transformed = SUM(Weight x Z-score for each run)/SQRT(SUM(Weight^2 for each run))

Expt#	p-value	z-score	#Cit+ muts	#replicates
1	0.0085	2.387	4	72
2	0.0007	3.195	5	340
3	0.0823	1.390	8	2800

Applying the formula described above..

Weighting	Z transformed	p
Equal	4.025	<0.001
By total Cit+	3.576	<0.001
By total replicates	1.825	0.034

Someone please check my calculations (peer review!) -- I used the single-ended, z-score/p-value conversion applet found here to change p-values to z-scores (my stats books are at work). Otherwise, feel free to disseminate this data without attribution.--Neon 11:40, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

User:Neon, it should be clear to anyone who knows how to read that many lies can be told with "statistics", and that is is one of the favorite tactics of liberals, especially professors. The numbers clearly do not support Lenski's conclusions, and to say otherwise is to engage in deceit. Godspeed.-- -PalMD ^{--Unhand me, scoundrel!} 12:27, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. That must be why Andy is so proud of having taken 'advanced statistical courses' in school.--Neon 12:33, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I think you mean having 'excelled in advanced statistics courses' in school.--Antifly 13:00, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Course programs:

• Basic statistical course: statistics theory, statistical methods
• Advanced statistical course: how Liberals tell lies with "statistics" ( Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 13:03, 20 September 2008 (EDT) )

Neon! That maths has been stolen by me. Thank you very, very, much.--Toffeeman 15:23, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't matter if you did, Andy doesn't understand stats anyway. --Kels 17:06, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Ooh, rearguarded! --Kels 17:32, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

And a nice little "go away" from Andy, late as normal --BoredCPer 17:57, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Rearguarded, and then non-sensical reply that I can't repsond to posted! Bastards. What a pathetic little shit Andy is that he has to move someone out of the way as just as soon as they utilise someone elses (Neon's) expertise to show that he is wrong!--Toffeeman 17:59, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

[unindent]Actually, it's Andy's unsupported assertion that the number of replicates are the 'proper' means of applying weights. In reality, that's incorrect. The p-values for each experiment were calculated using the Monte-Carlo resampling tests based on the number and distribution of of Cit+ mutants, not the number of replicates. Thus if one if going to weight results in a Z-transform, the number of Cit+ mutants collected per experiment is the better 'weight'. The results are indeed significant, no matter how one slices it.--Neon 20:31, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

The reality of the situation is that we need not spend a lot time debating and proving Andy is wrong because, well, HE IS SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG! Ace McWicked^{55.3 million page views!} 20:34, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd really like to a slickly-formatted presentation of that crazy talk page's "evolution". Andy has deleted so much of it, so often... Perhaps a side-by-side, with all deleted stuff on the right, with difflinks, timing, edit comment by teh assfly, etc.? With what "survived" on the left? In essence, an easier way for someone to see Andy's arrogant stupidity without clicking through the diffs on their own? Ideas for presentation? Hmmm. How about making all deleted sections in white text (or black background)? ħuman 21:50, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Human, do you mean like [I did] for the original Lenski letter? I was thinking about doing it for this as well but am far too busy at the moment. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 02:47, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, I tried asking hima few questions, and was removed from the website. I am honestly stunned that this objection is even still on the site... Alexa

RJJensen

RJJensen - not to be confused with AKjeldsen - is becoming too good a contributor. In the very remote case of other as good contributors coming on board, Conservapedia could regain some credibility, and we don't want it, do we? So should we convince RJJensen to abandon the sinking ship? Other suggestions? Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 06:42, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Wasnt RJensen roughed up at citizendom and found his way to CP? Ace McWicked^{55.3 million page views!}

Something along those lines - we received a request not to harass him a while back. I haven't checked his work (it falls out of my area of expertise) but he seems to be concentrating mostly on history - not sure with how much bias though. I'm sure Bugler will latch on to him soon enough. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 08:23, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Even if he is is the last man standing, still seriously trying to build an encyclopedia, it's just a matter of time before he steps on one of Andy's crazy-toes. Etc 10:56, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Like AKjeldsen and PalMD, this genuine expert will give up in disgust after arguing with a sysop who knows nothing of the subject but will block him anyway. He may then come here, he may not. I give it 'til Christmas. Totnesmartin 15:07, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Pretty much what I was going to say. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 15:21, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It's already started. Though, calling Pinyin the communist version, and Bugler objecting, is almost interesting in and of itself. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 23:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler removes a crazy baseless communist accusation, that was truly unexpected. Although I agree with RJJensen that Pinyin shouldn't be used for historical names. Etc 08:25, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, for second there I thought Bugler might be letting the mask slip. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 09:22, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Melisande

WIGOs like that make me wish I could vote more than once... Nice job, PJR! ħuman 17:07, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I wish I could vote twice as well, though I wish even more I knew what the WIGO is talking about. Could someone give me a clue (in short, simple words - clearly I am not that bright).--Damo^Hi 18:06, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Open the two images, and read the first letter of each article that is edited, in a vertical row. Someone pulled a similar exploit a week or so ago. What PJR did is delete and recreate certain of the articles (or deleted the revision?), which makes those "contributions" go away. So he "edited" the "message" to have a new, pro-CP meaning. ħuman 18:16, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, smart work PJR. You're involved with the wrong site though - your playful sense of humour would work much better over here. DogP 18:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Those exploits are like writing your name in the dust on the top of a cupboard. Only someone who knows it's there is going to have a look. So what tipped PJR off to this? Did someone fess up over here that I missed? Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 19:20, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

P.S. Did any one see that item on the BBC site about testing near-death out-of-body experiences by putting pictures on high shelves in hospital operating theatres?

But Genghis, think of the time people do spend hunting for things that may or may not be there ("easter eggs" for example). Also, since it was done once, people know they "might" be there - and checking a user's contribution list is a common sysop defensive tactic on a wiki under siege, as CP is. ħuman 21:45, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

They spend so much time on this BS, it's a miracle they have any time to write more articles on Liberals and Psoriasis, or how Atheism is ruining the cotton crop. --Gulik 23:50, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Nice work PJR. You really should stop hanging around with those bums over there.Damo^Hi 19:40, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Witty yes but he is still a deluded god botherer. Let us not forget he can still be a goon. Ace McWicked^{55.3 million page views!} 19:59, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken (again)

I had always wondered how he was going to cope with his article of the year once we hit 01/01/2009. Now we know that he's just going to ignore it. What a self-important little prick he is. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 19:41, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll lay 20 that says nobody but Ken knew that was going up before he did it. --Kels 19:48, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Plus, the "A.D." goes before the year, not after. So there!--WJThomas 19:50, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It really shows Andys level of oversight and control over his own blog. Ace McWicked^{55.3 million page views!} 20:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

That's one thing that stuff like this really highlights. The crazier sysops over there (Conservative, Koward, Croc o' Shite, JM, etc.) are a bunch of spoiled little divas who threaten to leave at the least sign that anyone might disagree with them and get away with it. It only takes a suggestion of a threat to have them on the fainting couch with an attack of the vapours, and Andy's stuck constantly catering to their wishes (or more usual, turning a blind eye to their abuses) lest he lose them. But which of them is actually likely to leave a forum that actually gives them that much voice? And how much is he likely to lose if they do go? Not much, I'll bet. --Kels 21:00, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

The man (if indeed Andy is a "man") is completely useless. Ace McWicked^{55.3 million page views!} 21:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

The word you're searching for is "impotent". --Kels 21:41, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

No no, I think you mean "ignorant". "Stupid" would also work. DogP 21:47, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

He is unfortunately not impotent, given that he has tragically produced offspring. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:47, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

That was many years ago. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 04:47, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

It's possible you were thinking of "craptacular". seventhrib 12:53, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Demarcation redux

Since the demarcation discussion seems to have been archived I will start a new section. There was a lot of feedback about how to handle the "Best of" demarcation point. I think we might be going about this completely the wrong way. Rather than pasting in entries on a page that based on an arbitrary cut off I think we should have a tool that displays WIGO entries based on what ever criteria a user wants. I have mocked up a prototype here. It displays all WIGO items sorted by vote totals, and gives the option of defining a "cutoff" value for total votes to display. I think something like this combined with "date" options and other sorting options could complete replace the current "best of" system. It would also be much more compatible with the other WIGOs, and better connect all the infrastructure together and offer a clearer consequence for voting up or down. tmtoulouse ^harass 19:53, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

"What", I frequently ask myself, "would we EVER do without you?" Awesome Trent, that seems like a really smart solution. Can the design be improved a little? It's a bit, er. boxy. DogP 21:50, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm totally non-technical, which probably puts me in with a lot of people likely to use the thing, and I can't figure out what's what at all. I just see a random bunch of boxes at the top that I don't know what they do, and a bunch of old WIGO entries with no sliders, vote bars, or anything at all, really. Maybe I'm not the target audience. --Kels 12:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Kels, this is not a voting thing. Its a prototype for deciding which WIGO entries make it into a BestOfCP based on user choice as recently there have been many more entries that beat the 10 threshold. Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 12:16, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Very nice, but maybe worth having a more precise date on each item? Sometimes WIGO items are interrelated and it might be good to know what came in which order within each month. seventhrib 12:56, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree, but here is the problem. I didn't really think about trying something like this until like a week ago, and I didn't actually sit down to start working on it till yesterday. So I had to go back and add database fields that are needed to pull it off. One such field was "date" which I never bothered to keep track of. So everything before September 20th is divided up either as September 1st or August 1st depending on if it was August or September voting (that much information I could reconstruct). So at the moment date sorting would be pointless. In a month or so when there is actually data worth sorting by I will come back and implement it. tmtoulouse ^harass 13:11, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Rant from a jerk

I know this is just going to be another rant from an impotent jerk which will also be followed by this community replying with terms such as "What else is new?" etc etc. But I rant nonetheless. This piece of ground breaking journalism, posted on CP's main page, just goes to show the sheer hipocracy of the Christian Right. Call Obama a muslim, say he is not a real christian and accuse liberals of being godless BUT DONT YOU FUCKING DARE COMMENT ON PALIN YOU GODLESS SCUM!!! Fucking assholes. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 23:59, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll never understand why these twits like Palin so much. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 00:09, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I must feel good going in the election with someone who has seen Russia from her home state. She'll keep an eye on them. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 00:13, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

It's very easy to see why they like her. She's Republican, and she's a candidate. That's pretty much it. If she wasn't either, they wouldn't give a rat's behind about her. But since she is, she must be praised as the Second Coming and then some. Seriously, remember Andy's original article CP had for Grampy McSame, before he got nominated? Not so nice to the old fellah. Contrast it to the current version, where he's practically on the waiting list to be Sainted. --Kels 00:31, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Also, "the base" (that's English for "al Queda", by the way) love her because she is "one of us" - Andy in lipstick. The Second Coming of, if not the jebus baby, at least Phyllis Schlafly, grand mere. ħuman 00:41, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Reading Kels post made me think of this. What happened Andy? Did you suddenly realize how small and trivial your achievements are in comparison to Obama? Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 01:38, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I'm sorry. I saw "rant from a jerk" and came here expecting to find something by Jeeves. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was from some heavy metal cracker. Lighten up on the personal attacks? (or was that funny?) ħuman 02:46, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Nay. If Jeeves can dish it out but can't take it, that's his problem. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:04, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

You aren't supporting your defamation with any difflinks. So until you do, decay off. ħuman 03:10, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Look fellas, I started this fucking rant so both of ya can decay off. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 03:12, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

WIKIWAR!!!!!!!! It's on!!!! ħuman 03:19, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I suggest to keep and showcase copies of CP's articles on McCain and Palin on Nov. 4th - and compare them to their future versions. I'm sure that as soon as they lose they'll be liberals in disguise who don't homeschool and don't teach abstinence and other Christian values. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 04:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT) (unindent to butt in) I was going to post something about this earlier, but I had a sports bar calling out to me.... I did a quick search and found this site. Be sure to read the second the cartoon posted. Guess that takes care of the whole "he wouldn't dare mock Muslims" comment. I actually read Pat quite often, and he's not afraid to mock anybody that deserves mocking. He's kinda like the Daily Show in print form. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 05:41, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

New Mainpage headline

Just seeing the most recent headline and I don't understand it. Who are the "honest democratic citizens" supposed to be, and what is supposed to happen when they "breakaway from the liberal party's influence." Are they saying that the Democratic party is forcing people to be racist, or that the "honest" members should admit their prejudices and become Republicans? And why waste the opportunity to bash Obama? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 00:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

They are saying that the non-racist "honest citizens" need to break away from the Democrats, since the party is liberal and liberalism causes racism.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 01:16, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, I just couldn't figure out which way they were trying to bash liberals. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 02:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Er, DeanS accidentally slipped into illiterate mode. Shit happens, eh? Oh, and gets posted to the main page. Smells bad anywhere it's dropped. ħuman 02:33, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I suppose they see this as some sort of twisted confirmation of Bizarro World's "affirmative action president" trope. See, if Democrats are liberal, and liberalism = racism, affirmative action really is the only way Obama could become the nominee! It makes so much sense. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 02:59, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

My brain just set a world record for the pole vault trying to follow DeanS' "logic" ħuman 03:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

It's really quite simple: liberals are evil and liberal and racist and liberal and socialist and liberal and liberal and liberal and don't forget liberal liberalliberalliberalliberalliberalliberal! (Wow, I literally just condensed everything Ann Coulter's ever written into one sentence.) How aren't you getting this? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 04:24, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Dozens dead in an Islamabad bombing yesterday, including the Czech ambassador to Pakistan, in a huge international incident that might put the incredibly fragile situation in the area under even greater stress... and what are CP's major news headlines? A study about racism among Democrats, a report about secrecy at the U.N.'s food bank program, an opinion column about how WSJ should have identified an respected journalist who wrote an op-ed about gay-bashing as a "gay activist," and a story about Christian boycotts of two recent movies. How do they fucking sleep?--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 05:52, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

They don't sleep very well, actually. Totnesmartin 06:36, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Sgt. Pepper took them by surprise, apparently. "You live with straights who tell you, you was king/Jump when your momma tell you anything..." I think I just found Andy's theme song. Sings: So Dr. Lenski took you by surprise/You better see right through that liberal's eyes... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:57, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Two new "news" headlines, about a new movie and another opinion column. Still nothing about the multiple deaths or incredibly important political event in Islamabad. Good to know what the priorities are over there.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 10:56, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

If you can't spin it to show liberals in a bad light, it doesn't belong on the main page.

And while we're talking about things we didn't see on the main page: Did the entire collapse of the banking system ever make it to the front page? I haven't been around much these days, but I don't remember seeing anything whenever I did check... --Sid 11:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, there has been a huge series of financial stories, with the imminent collapse of some banking giants, the biggest one-day drop in the DOW since 2001, and sudden recovery on promise of a government bailout. But they vaguely reference the entire mess by linking to an op-ed about how it's Democrats' fault.

Still nothing on the Islamabad incident, incidentally.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 21:53, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy sleeping in?

Still locked. Obviously Andy's at the church shindig kettle was setting up yesterday (ooh, can't wait for this week's "essay"!) and doesn't trust the others to defend his blog from the rampaging hordes while he's not around. Too bad Ken has edit rights tho, means the rampaging hordes are running the asylum. I wonder how Reasonable Phil feels about having Hitler's fizzog splashed on the front page? Makes it look more like Metapedia than Conservapedia. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:31, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

If, by Reasonable Phil, you mean Philip J Raymond, he already defended at length the use of Hitler's picture - see the top two sections of main page talk. weaseLOId~ 10:43, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd forgotten that conversation. Either that or I hadn't read all of it. PJR standing there and flat-out saying that Hitler was using evolution Exactly As Directed and reading straight out of OotS, what a knob. --Kels 10:51, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Must've missed that bit. Why is it everytime I try an see PJR as the one semi-decent person over there he shoots himself so spectacularly in the foot. How long I wonder before they use a pic of Josef Mengele in one of their attacks on medicine and vaccines? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:22, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Sure, give them ideas. --Kels 11:29, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I just now realized that both PJR and Bugler waited more than half a week (until yesterday morning) before slipping in their replies to the "Back on track" section. Sneaky, especially since PJR has been active every single day during that time of silence. And I lost a lot of faith in Philip when I saw him defending Ken's idiotic main page stunt. --Sid 11:38, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Me too. He's so bloody reasonable other times, then he just tunnel visions when it comes to the evolution "debate". I suspect that, had he not been brought up in (I'd be surprised if he weren't) that particularly poisonous form of fundamentalist Christianity, he would be right here with us mocking Dear Leader and his goon squad. It's almost tragic when he goes to the level of Kenservative, 'cause you know a guy like PJR would otherwise find him vulgar. If circumstances were different, I imagine he'd be this fellow. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 12:26, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

It seems PJR has been looking at WIGO:CP & adjusted the "outing" entry accordingly. Hello, Philip, if you're reading this. weaseLOId~ 10:57, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Actually that was already WIGOed. I didn't notice that. weaseLOId~ 10:59, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I wrote the seaside version over the redirect he left behind. I think it is so good it should be featured on the main page, it is concise, family-friendly and has no liberal bias. A perfect CP article! ħuman 18:41, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Back from church

So we now have Andy's NEXT BIG IDEA a "Proposed Homeschool Constitution" and the first line sounds like it was written by Ken:

Here is a proposed Homeschool Constitution to be circulated to homeschool groups around the country to join a union of homeschool groups, which can then assist each other in enriching and expanding the experience of homeschooling

Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 12:55, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Full of the same old drivel though. Couple of points come to mind:

AI 1: So even if you aren't Xian, we're going to rub Xianity in your face.

AI 4: sexist too - boys will play football, girls will bake cookies

AII 2: no maths, no accounting? no geography? Just what exactly are these kids being educated to become?

Update does Andy read TWIGO?--PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I loved that "to form a union of homeschool" bit. Shame someone fixed it. DogP 13:38, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Article I Section One: ...a voluntary Christian prayer ...

Article I Section Three: God-honoring behavior shall be required at all activities.

Which means anyone who doesn't volunteer to comply with section one will be out on their arses.

If only parody could be so easy ... I'm off... Auld Nick 14:04, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

So it's true- the term Judeo/Christian does not apply to liberals. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 14:06, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

[1] is also a new Andy joynt. Can we figure out what the sermon was on based on these two droppings he has left behind? PS, he now prefers British spelling! ħuman 17:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Andres Schlafly is so full of shit he should be used to fertilize crops. I especially loved the little gem about how non Christian nations produce dangerous products because they don't have good Jesus morals... yeah, cause nobody in America ever produced an unsafe product.... My god, did the man ditch history classes covering abotu 1895 - 1980. Hey Andy, the reason American products are safe is because those GODDAMN LIBERALS PUSHED THROUGH REGULATION... YOU ARE A FUCKTARD. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 17:57, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

He really is a fuckknuckle isnt he. Someone should inform him that America does a lot of busniess/trade with NZ and, guess what, our country is run by an agnostic liberal that didnt go to Iraq nor has allowed American Vessels in our port. Hope dont mind missing out on that famous NZ Lamb Andy because it has been tainted by liberal values. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 18:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Jessica Alba is totally hot....

...and Conservapedia has the proof. How exactly does this fit into the mission of building a conservative, family-friendly, Christian encyclopedia? PFoster 10:36, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I dunno, but I'm going to be spending a lot of time at Joaquin's Latino page :) Along with Smeg Ed no doubt. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:25, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

This could explain why Ed's been away. His keyboard has gotten too sticky. DickTurpis 12:59, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Sir, I demand my mind back, unsullied by that horrible, horrible image. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:13, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I like the example picture they have at cp:Latino, it seems the average Mexican is very very angry. - Icewedge (*bleet*) 13:53, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

So just because she has a Mexican-American dad, that makes her Latino (shouldn't that be Latina?) Isn't she really Danish on her mother's side? Генгис^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 14:26, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Please don't call Bohdan! Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 14:27, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

So that would make her a... "Latidana"? Perhaps "Lada" for short? (Uh-oh). --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm surprised that my quick schlafly-skim of the article didn't turn up the term Latina, too. Oh, and from JM's fractured spanglish caption: "Jessica Alba born in Pomona, California to Danish and French Canadian descent mother and Mexican American descent father.". All it needs is a link to have DWG cred. ħuman 18:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

WIGO voting

Should WIGO voting be closed when an item is archived or allowed to stay open for the indefinite future. tmtoulouse ^harass 13:00, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

One month from the item's inclusion. That way anybody can delist things knowing that we haz a standard. You could even throw it in as a comment somewheres. CЯacke® 13:08, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd say close it; the items normally stay on the page for a while before being archived and by the time they are, they're probably old enough that one or two more votes won't really matter. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:13, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

One month of voting sounds good... and that ought to automaticifiable now that you're adding the post date to the database, right? ħuman 18:58, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Heh

Obviously, BertSchlossberg knows the score. --Kels 14:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Ring, Ring

The red telephone rings again. After reading this it still makes me wonder who Jinx thought conservative was sending these messages to before he found "where we hang out". Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 18:19, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Man, Ken lives in his own little world of lies, doesn't he? Let's see, his "amicable discussion and cooperation" so far includes a group of editors fatalistically admitting that no amount of input from them will change a thing, Andy's impotent silence which highlights his ineffectiveness as a leader, and at least one block for simply telling the truth. Good job, Ken! You've tried to mark your territory, but ended up just looking incontinent instead! --Kels 18:25, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

All these alpha-male jokes has only stroked his already over inflated ego. Aren't we suppose to be ignoring these they only get him excited? As excited as he get when one of his blog pieces appear on the first page of a Google search in some language he doesn't understand (that includes English). No one at Conservapedia has small dick issues like Conservative. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 18:28, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I dont see any reason to ignore him. If he wants to sit in front of PC and stroke his horn everytime we mention him then stroke away good sir. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 18:30, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Hell, I'm happy to encourage him. The more he tries to "improve" CP, the less credibility it has. No need to go over there and vandalize when Ken can do it for us. --Kels 18:32, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

(2ec)I haven't seen anything that would indicate compensation issues yet... But I certainly notice some power and control issues... Tell me Ken, do you feel you have reasonable control over your life? Is these some figure that holds the keys? Mother/Girlfriend/Wife? Ok, scratch Girlfriend or Wife. EDIT: I agree completely. His Hitler picture on the front page has done more damage to CP than all the vandalsim and parody of the past six months combined. Parody can always be written off, it's a decent sized site and they only have so many people that can fix it. Hell, Wikipedia has parody issues, but the front page is locked down to all but the most senior officials. On top of that, Andy has to see it, he comments on the front page all the time. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement}

I wish he would do one of his "jokes" for red-telephone pages. All he has to do is find some random copyrighted picture upload it with "fair-use" (do any at CP know what that means?) and put some unwitty caption under it. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 18:35, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

What do you mean no compensation. He rule his pages and then post on the news section (which is suppose to be about actual news) when he find his article on a web search. All this compensation for the fact he is an intellectual midget who would lose an actual debate if he can't lock the other person out. How many times has he been schooled and then invoked Danth's Law crowing about how he won? $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 18:38, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh no, I simply meant no compensation about the size of his penis. Specifically referring to this comment: "No one at Conservapedia has small dick issues like Conservative." Trust me, he has all kinds of intellectual compensation issues, just no penile issues. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 19:06, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe this is a cultural difference. He has small dick issues in the same way someone buys a Lancer and puts big rims and body kits on it trying to make it look like a sports car. He is trying to prove he is something he is not. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:23, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Ha! Conservative: I want a random dot here, no I don't I want it a line higher scratch that; now I'll fix up glaring mistake. All that over one period. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 18:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Preserved for posterity. ħuman 18:53, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Just looked at the stupid thing again, and it struck me just how bad the writing is. Seriously, it's about the most stilted, awkward, clumsily formal stuff I've ever read, and I've read stuff like this! --Kels 19:10, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Some people just can't get enough Hitler pictures. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 21:35, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Ring, ring, ring

look, he's at it again. Quite a pathetic person is old Ken. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 21:59, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Ace ignore the sad pathetic creature, it only wants attention. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:07, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I am going to make a Ken template - Ken. Thoughts anyone? $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:09, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I object to the lack of the word "doll" in it. I shall repair hence to repair and improve it! ħuman 22:12, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

More with the fucking magic dots! S - (what's two dots? A?) - E.... is he now using morose code to send special messages to someone? ħuman 22:18, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

You are right 3.14, he should just be ignored but its fascinating behaviour. Its so odd and meaningless yet seems to be of the upmost importance to Kenny-babe. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 22:21, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I love how he thinks a private, unverifiable discussion between only the sysops somehow counts as Conservapedians discussing his latest random crap. There is no transparency or inclusion of the other Conservapedian who are not sysops, nice way to run a collaborative project based around a meritocracy. Also are they agreeing with him or just not objecting to his face? As I was saying before Ace his article and little mined quotes are an extension of his (rather small) manhood. He should talk to who ever is signing as Freud at the moment. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:24, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I suspect that whatever hideous mate he has in his life (be it boyfriend/girlfriend/mother) has got his balls in mason jar on the bedside table and this is the only way Ken gets his rocks off. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 22:28, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I hope when you say mother you mean more like Seymour Skinner rather than Oedipus Rex otherwise he is going to need more help than Radioactive afikomen can give him. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:35, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, he is well beyond help. I think he should just be put down at local vet. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 22:39, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll just come out and say it. I think Ken is outright lying. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. His trick, or at least it's a trick, is to try to cleverly dance around any definite statements one way or another, like with his identity, and he believes that means nobody actually knows the truth. What he doesn't get is it's flamingly obvious what the truth is, who he is, and all the rest. He's really bad at the subtlety he pretends to. So as with the pics at the bottom, as with the "Article of the Year" (soon to be Article of the Decade), as with utterly ignoring the so-called CP Panel on the evolution article, as with all of it, he just sprung this on everyone on his own whim. Five words: Ken is full of shit. --Kels 23:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm taking the phone of the hook in a minute

Ken you really are stupid aren't you (see here)? I described your work as random not because it was randomly generated, if it was randomly generated it would read like Finnegan's Wake, but as you clearly lack Joyce's wit and grasp of the English language this could not be further from the truth. It is random because you have stuck pictures on the main page which have nothing to do with the project at large only your small slice, so it is somewhat lacking in context. Second of all what is with the picture captions. Do you understand the purpose of a picture caption? It is suppose to give a picture some context. If you have a picture of Hitler it should say his name, when and where the picture was taken and some copyright (you know what that it is even if you ignore it, right?) information, it should not include "jokes" (you also seem to have as much grasp of parody as you do international law) or a little diatribe. A picture can illustrate a diatribe, with an appropriate caption, but should not form part of it. Your failure to grasp even the most basic levels of article construction is why CP is a joke because you dominate its flagship articles. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:06, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Q: Why can't a liberal be more like a conservative?

A: Insurance doesn't cover lobotomies.

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal. --Kels 23:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Now he's going on about his "factual" articles causing liberals to "yelp" all over the internet. Ken, since you obviously read this, care to point to an example of any one of your unreadable puerile ramblings creating any response other than mockery? DickTurpis 23:31, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC) Yes Ken I mean the Homosexuality, Atheism and Theory of Evolution you keep locked and try to get people to link too. Show me one page outside of RationalWiki that care about your articles. Seriously no one gives a shit about your incoherent dribble, and quotes. You do understand that does not make an article don't you? It should not be a series of quotes. Seriously open up Britannica and find an article that looks like that. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 23:32, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey Ken, since you're now speaking to us... What the fuck is this:

Well given the factual nature of these "flagship articles" it is not suprising that these "flagship articles" have caused a lot liberal cats to yelp on the internet. As you are well aware, it is often the cats hit by shoes that yelp the loudest.

Allow me to do you a quick favor and copy edit that for you. It should read: Well, given the factual nature of these "flagship articles," it is not suprising that they have caused a lot of liberal cats to yelp on the internet (That last phrase is completely unfixable. Just take it out and shoot it). As you are well aware, it is often the cats hit by the shoes that yelps the loudest. Ok now onto the important stuff. That is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. For starters, it repeats the same noun twice. We have these things called pronouns, watch some schoolhouse rock. (The short you're looking for is Rufus Xavier Sasperella) Also, What the hell kind of phrase is "it is often the cats hit by shoes that yelp the loudest" Of course the cat that actually gets hit by shoe will yelp the loudest, THEY GOT HIT BY A FUCKING SHOE. A more appropriate phrase would be something along the lines of "the loudest protest comes from the man injured the worst." Just a little free advice from the gentleman at a liberal website. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 23:41, 21 September 2008 (EDT) By the way bitch, we have women here too, would it be that hard to say gentlepeople? you prick

Ken, be a man and debate one of us over one of your stupid pet articles. Your understanding of science has been shown time after time to be limited. You understanding of religion is mediocre at best. For being so gay, I am amaze at your self hate, such a masochist. Godspeed Ken, Godspeed.--TimS 23:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't really mind the Hitler pictures on the main page and evolution article. Don't get me wrong- I don't like Hitler at all, but every Hitler picture on a webpage makes it look 50% crazier unless it's historian discussing Hitler, and even then... well, you get the drift. Go ahead, Conservapedia. Put fucking Hitler on every article you have. Let everybody know what's REALLY on your mind. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 00:06, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Probably not wigo worthy

But I like Andy's response when somebody brings up the fact that the CP main page punctuation and capitalization is all over the chart. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 21:37, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I actually considered Wigoing that myself before I came to the same conclusion (about not being worth it) It's great because Andy loves diversity, except for when it come to people. He just refuses to real in his batshit insane cronies. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 21:40, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehe, and she jumped on my mention that AAR is still in business. Guess they just don't mind, um, lying. ħuman 22:16, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

'Moslems'

Is this obstinately backwards (and phonetically incorrect) spelling something CP has always enforced as part of its language pogrom, or is it new? I've never noticed it before except in the last few days.WilhelmJunker 22:10, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

This is a reasonably old spelling. It was moved away from sometime in the 80's because it was very similar to an Arabic word for demon or something similar. They probably like it because it is marginally offensive. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 22:14, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Are they seriously saying "moslem?" CP tests my disbelief more than any sci-fi or Stephen King novel ever has. Corry^{You can always tell a Milford man.} 00:02, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

It's a bit archaic, but other than that I wasn't aware of any issues with that spelling. I really don't think it's terribly significant. I think I recall Roger or someone using "Mohammadan", which is more out there. DickTurpis 00:22, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

It is a little old. Strange though I have for some reason only ever seen Conservatives use it. I always thought of it as part of their natural resistance to change word usage due to "political correctness" (what ever that is). $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 00:32, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

My numerically-monickered friend is 100% correct - see the current pissing match between Buggler and what's-his-name on Pinyin v. Wade-Giles. There's a strong sense among some conservatives that language needs to remain stable--because changes in language open the doors to changes in power structures, something they most definitely don't want. PFoster 00:37, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

(ec) To us, and most normal people, Political Correctness is nothing more than altering your speech and behavior to avoid pointless offense. To Conservatives, however, Political Correctness is that nasty Liberal idea that prevents them from saying things like nigger, fag, wetback and any other racial, ethnic, and gender based slur you can think of. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 00:40, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Be that as it may, I'm not convinced this is a matter of political correctness, or politics at all, any more than the change from "Czar" to "Tsar" is. And I, for one, still prefer "Czar". It may just be about being old fashioned. By no means the worst flaw of anyone at CP. DickTurpis 00:43, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Sir Chuck - I beg to differ. What you call "political correctness" involved way more than just avoiding pointless offense. The attention paid to language starting with the French deconstructionists and leading to the PC debates in the 1990s was about interrogating--and bringing down--the ways in which language is tied to power. it's not just that people like Jinx can't say "nigger" or "kike" in polite company anymore (thank Christ...): It's that language creates categories and subjectivities. Interrogating the ways it does that it the first step toward breaking out of those categories--or using them in new ways to generate resistance. PFoster 00:48, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC replying to Dick) It is not really a flaw just an observation that conservatives are resistant to changes in language (see cp:Liberal redefinition for Andy's rant on this). Probably part of being conservative I guess. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 00:50, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

(To SirChuck) My point with "political correctness" (what ever that is) is more to do with the fact that it is bandied around so much that most people using it don't understand the meaning of it an hence causing the expression to lose the meaning it had. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 00:54, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

On a side note, shouldn't an encyclopaedia particularly care of spelling and grammar? The WIGOed replies from Andy to Hsmum make me feel bad for homeschoolers (and yes, I see that it has been WIGO Talked too). Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 03:03, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Now this is how you write parody

Make it completely indistinguishable from something that the fearless leader would write. I was positive it was an Andy creation until I looked at the history. I tried this approach with a few article matrix additions, but only one escaped deletion. This could well earn DRamon blocking rights. DickTurpis 00:57, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought much the same at first glance. I see HelpJazz has raised an eyebrow, but I wonder if he would have had it been one of Brother Leader's entries? I've got another Z$1 that says it makes makes it onto the Conservapedia terms list. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 01:48, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Dont forget conservapedias insights page and a link to Liberals. Ace McWicked^{Substansive comments only} 03:04, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler won't allow a fellow parodist. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 03:00, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Site Stats

Have you heard about the number of people that have read Ken's atheism article? It is nearly atomic sized compared to the number of people that visit Wikipedia every second.

On of my favourite things to do is regularly update Conservapedia's Site Statistics so Ken doesn't come round crying that they are out of date like he did during the Lenski affair. I tend to like 3 month averages as they tell a more complete picture (I remember he was only interested in the day before as CP was up to nearly the 15,000th most popular website at the time), what I have found interesting lately is difference in the top website versus the lower ones.

Website	Rank	Traffic	Pageviews
Wikipedia	8	8.5571%	4.7487
Conservapedia	50,865	0.00218%	3.78
Difference	50,857	3,913.07%	125.6%

Now compare use to Conservapedia

Website	Rank	Traffic	Pageviews
Conservapedia	50,865	0.00218%	3.78
RationalWiki	140,128	0.00072%	3.9
Difference	89,263	3.03%	96.9%

So whilst the difference in rank between us and CP is greater than CP and WP, the number of actual visitors is not as great. They maybe getting three times the number of visitors we do, we would not even get 1% the press coverage they have had. Factor in that Andy is promoting CP as the conservative alternative to Wikipedia he is only getting 0.0255% of the traffic they get, so unless only one 40th of one percent of the world is conservative he is a real fringe element in the conservative movement and not the big players Ken and him pretend they are. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 04:13, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Milky, milky

News: Chinese babies drink formula milk, unlike Sarah's baby. Wonder who pushes powdered crap through the third world? Couldn't be Gerber & Nestlé, could it. - How profit motivated.   ^Contribs_Talk 05:26, 22 September 2008 (EDT)