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bye!   ^Contribs_Talk 01:53, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I see that there is no "retired" template or archiving so I'm hoping this is a temporary measure to regain perspective - similar to the break I took at the start of the year. Human is one of the original members of the site and has been far and away the most active editor, I would be sad to see him leave.--Bob^{bing up} 04:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Not all of us will be very sad. Mourn the passing of an era, and a giant on the wiki. But remember that for many people (Pink, Susan, AKjeldsen, Damo, myself, and others yet undeclared), Human's prominence and status on the wiki was progressing from "prominent editor" to "overbearing authority figure". Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:57, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I hope that, in the vacant space his absence creates, others will be encouraged to stretch out their own personalities, to offer their own ideas and their own interpretations of things, and help the community grow around all of us, instead of around a single, dominant user. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:57, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Just so the record is clear, I am more or less neutral on the issue. I was (and am) concerned that there was a lot of squabbling over the smallest, most ridiculous things - so much so that this place was beginning to resemble CP itself. Now I have no idea (and I have tried searching) as to what the problem was with Pink and Human that caused this mess so I can't pass judgment on anyone regarding that. But I have witnessed both here and on RWW a certain amount of resentment against Human for (allegedly) trying to impose rules and for acting unilaterally.--Damo^Hi 06:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I apologize, then, for mislabeling you. Sorry. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:44, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I strongly suspect it is time that we reconsider our approach to dispute resolution and for forming some general principles of what to do when disagreements occur. Almost everybody at this site suffers from the character trait (I hesitate to say flaw) of having strong opinions and not being shy about expressing them. I think its time we recognised that and set up some processes to deal with the inevitable problems this causes. We don't need a dictator like on CP, nor do we need a bureaucracy like on WP, but we do need some guidelines on what to do when well meaning people disagree on the issues. I understand there was some discussion on this point a while back but I feel that the situation is now more urgent. With Pink gone, SusanG thinking about leaving and now Human blanking his pages I feel like this site is really starting to fall apart.--Damo^Hi 06:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

To be clear, I think it would be sad if Human left us because of all this nonsense, just as sad as if Pink or SusanG or RA or anyone else left.^{— Unsigned, by: Damo / talk / contribs}

If you are leaving...

Then I, for one, can confidently state that I'm sad to see you go. You and Susan were two of the first to really welcome me, as I recall. You were part of the reason I spent as much time here as I did, as I goofed off at work. I don't get involved in the fighting, and I don't understand the emotions behind it, and I do understand the need for a break sometimes. But, thank you for what you have done, and good luck. Researcher 09:13, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I reiterate Researcher's sentiments (as I'm goofing off at work now), and will welcome Human back (if in fact he's left) should he choose to do so. Aboriginal Noise ^Punkrock 09:22, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Don't leave us Human! You're breakin' up the family. weaseLOId~ 10:40, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Sigh. I miss the old days. Sterile^snore! 12:29, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Because it needs to be said...

RA, you're mostly an alright person as far as I can tell, but Jesus tap dancing Christ, you can be a pain in the arse at times. You take this place way too seriously and your e-penis status and power fixation frankly creeps me out slightly. I've always given you the benefit of the doubt as I figure that's just the way your head works and how you see the world, but you over H? Not fucking likely. If anyone needed to walk, I'd vote you every single day of the week. Pull your neck in, play nice, and pack it in with that daft RWW shite. --Robledo 16:55, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

I have never considered this a choice between Human and myself. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:41, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Ohforchrissake

Damo is absolutely right above. If we had some sort of means in place to deal rationally with these issues, we wouldn't see the mushroom into Headless Chicken Mode and people "leaving" left and right. We really need that, because this is seriously turning into one of the more dysfunctional online communities I've seen, and I've seen quite a few. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 07:26, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

C'est la vie. You must deal with whatever cards you are dealt. Unfortunately, for those who get deeply involved in these kinds of forums there are always these incidents, and they usually result from weird desires for 'internet-power' (RA) or 'internet-prestige' (Human) or just simply 'internet-attention' (Susan). Me, being the other flip of the coin 'occasional internet antagonist/sociologist' can usually see all these developments without the filter of 'internet-friendships' that usually ruin someones ability to see through these online tussles. MarcusCicero 15:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

DFTT [1]

TOAST

^{and butter} 16:46, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

What does DFTT mean? And yes, well done, you posted a link to my archive. Aren't you clever. MarcusCicero 16:59, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

DFTT = Don't Feed The Troll. With that said:

This conversation is about to go badly downhill, inevitably ending in comparisons to Hitler, and hurt feelings all around. Stop now. Step away from the keyboard. Go pet a jerboa, or milk a goat.

ec

I read your archive after reading your comments and it seemed that those, like me, who weren't familiar with your history, might like the information. (Don't Feed The Troll which is the conclusion I have come to after your two edits.) As you'd a Troll on your user page for a short while I think it's quite appropriate anyhow.

TOAST

^{and butter} 17:09, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Ah yes, the most effective way of suppresing debate - the arbitrary use of the word troll. I'm thinking of writing a book about what I've learnt on internet sociology. MarcusCicero 17:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm rather more tolerant of "trolls" (I generally don't use the word). But Marcus, it would help people's perception of you immeasurably if made your comments a teensy bit less abrasive. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:15, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

That is sound advice. I tend to vent, then mellow, then disappear, then come back, then repeat over and over and over again. Has all the markings of a troll though, I'll give you that. MarcusCicero 17:16, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Wait, what?

This may be a bad place, if not the worst, to ask this but what's going on? Judging from the comments above there was a heated discussion between Human and somebody else (Pink was mentioned but he hasn't contributed lately) but I can't find it anywhere... Anyway, if you're leaving, then good luck with whatever you're doing now, you'll be remembered... NightFlare A drum is a percussion instrument which makes a thumping sound. 16:49, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, the gentlemen at RWW aren't as inactive as I thought. I'll have to agree with AKJ, this seems like making an ant out of a molehill, having heated arguments about a category is one thing, but leaving after all this time? Or are there other issues involved besides the Spanish inquisition one? NightFlare A drum is a percussion instrument which makes a thumping sound. 17:03, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

This particular conflict did come after a long train of conflicts between him and I. It was far from an isolated incident. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:07, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

This Old Conversation

My Opinion

This old conversation again. RA taking RW to seriously and Human not. I personally am in Humans boat here - RW is no place for "rules" but this pic cleary explains my position. Ace McWicked^{The Liquid Room} 17:23, 30 October 2008 (EDT)