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That is not at all interesting.^{possibly because I'm not on it} Nice work though. DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 01:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Patience, young Delta, patience. All in good time. (Nah, I'm just saying that. We have far too many crats as it is. You'll get there when half a dozen of these bastards die.) DickTurpis (talk) 01:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

i 'cratted Refugee. You seemed to have missed that. Aceⁱ⁹ 01:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ace. I have/had no way to track ex-crats. Will add and re-upload. ħuman 02:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

My next chore is to figure out how to add line breaks so I can put the dates on all these. Also to figure out why some names are sorta chopped at the bottom. ħuman 02:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it interesting that, it would seem, the people I made bureaucrats seemed to have dropped off the Wiki (except Neveruse, who's no longer a 'crat and who has been retired for ages). The Goonie Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 02:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hooman he is my fatha. ÑR_{/Señor Admin}^/Hablar 03:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No, Nutty Roux... I AM YOUR FATHER The mystical vacuum cleaner is my father, with glorious stinky Goonie as my son. Great work Huw. SJ ^Debaser 10:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! And especially thanks to the BON who sent me to Gvedit for the program I used to make/edit it. ħuman 18:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hoo man NR man, ah thought yee was taalkin' geordie there like, geet canny! DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 12:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Saloon bar dup

I stuck this info in fragmented form in the Saloon bar. Linus was originally Linus M.. Trent de-cratted ColinR a long time ago. RW Admin made the first three crats. - π 03:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks! ħuman 04:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooh.

If we all wanted to be horribly pretentious (or horribly more pretentious), we could adopt Erdos style numbers, and refer to how many steps we are from TmToulouse.

Or not. I'm much better with not. Researcher (talk) 03:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I quite like that idea. (Of course, I'll have a Toulouse Number of one, so it works well for me). But, yeah, it is arbitrary and pointless. DickTurpis (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

"But, yeah, it is arbitrary and pointless." - Which is precisely the reason why a nerd-filled wiki like this should do such a thing. DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 10:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I have a Trent-Number of 3. Time to make a userbox! ^narchist 12:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I have a Trent number of 2. Hah! And I have a friend with a Bacon number of 3. Educated harmonic Hoover! 12:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Table. The t# represents how many steps below Trent you are, while the 'crats indicates how many crats of an equal or higher level there are. Interestingly, the chart shows a siigmoid/cumulative distribution of bureaucrats, suggesting a upper limit of bureaucrats at RationalWiki. Just by eyeballing (since I don't know how to do cumulative normal regression on Excel), the limit appears to be about 60-65 crats. Interesting.

T# 'crats
-1. 2
0. 3
1. 9
2. 28
3. 39
4. 49
5. 54

I'll upload the chart in a second. EDIT: Chart added.

--The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Whats my number? tmtoulouse 16:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Trent is 0, because Trent is Trent. --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 16:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Here it is evaluated out to t10 using a quadratic fit. tmtoulouse 17:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The phrase "too much time on your hands" comes to mind, but I'm not going to hold it against you. It's interesting stuff. ^narchist 17:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

There is always time for numerical analysis....always. tmtoulouse 17:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

quadratic? It should be exponential, if the tree is somewhat balanced. Verhulst springs to my mind... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 21:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No no no no no no no. It should be geometric and I demand that we start cratting people just to make it fit! ^narchist 21:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

See, it just looks logistic to me. If I had my calculaor, I'd test this, but I don't, and I don't want to pay shittons of cash to download a curve fitting application that I'd use once. Ah well. --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 21:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Meh without any a prior models I just used the best fit function weighted by number of free parameters. But here is the k-strategist model for crates:

Carrying capacity is then about 54. tmtoulouse 21:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe that's why we haven't been able to make any more crats lately - we're up against a Law of Nature! ħuman 17:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Someone worked out some statistics on the distribution of Erdos numbers. I guess it's probably not much use for guessing the fit here, the connectivity is completely different for collaboration. --MarkGall (talk) 05:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, a tree is much easier to handle: if we assume that each bureaucrat creates new bureaucrats at a constant rate, we have the same problem as Fibonacci and his immortal rabbits! OTOH, the pics below imply that the number of editors is increasing linearly, and one could think that the number of bureaucrats is a fixed percentage of the number of editors. Then, the rate above is not constant, but decreasing exponentially itself. larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

But they don't. Most create zero, some create 1/4/5, and I'm the outlier at 12 or so. ħuman 03:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Minor dilemma

Crundy brought up the time he was a crat for one minute. Should he be added to this tree? And, of course, the issue of one-minute cratship made me certain I'd get a hit here. Yup, TK was a crat very briefly on April fools day 08. ħuman 20:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

TK should be added to the version of the chart for Metapedia - David Gerard (talk) 20:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Pfft. Up to you. Is anyone else on there who has been cratted and decratted? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 21:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol, just saw Neveruse: User -> Sysop -> Crat -> Sysop -> User. Up the mountain and back down again! Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 21:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Things were different back then. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 21:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Crundy, yeah, but so "oddly". I think I have decratted myself a couple time in fits of pique. Nx used to be but isn't, same for Pi I think. However, they both were "active" in that they cratted others, at least. ħuman 23:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

And now... Janitors!

If you're feeling particularly masochistic, you could make a sysop tree, to show who demoted who to janitor. Because who wouldn't want to look at a chart with 525 bubbles in it? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No. You can do if you want, of course. Since you are the one who wrecked the "process" way back when. ħuman 07:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Fine then. What program did you use to create your chart? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I found what program you used, but it's so obtuse it's simply not worth the effort. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

editors, sysops, bureaucrats and bots at RW

relative numbers of editors, sysops and bureaucrats at RW

Just saying ... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

FTR - [1] [2] [3] [4] - the genesis. - π 23:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Have a look here. larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 23:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Something is missing

Need to add something. An all seeing eye pyramid at the top, just about RW Admin. Just to be clear who is really running things around here from behind the scenes. Secret Squirrel (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

For New World Order lulz, the following names should be inserted at random points into the web of power: Joseph of Arimathea, Nostradamus, Heinrich Himmler, Jacob Rothschild, Ted Kennedy, J. Edgar Hoover, Elvis Presley, Buzz Aldrin, Malcolm X, Chuck Norris, Osama Bin Laden, Barack Obama. The concept did originate at Metapedia after all. ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 23:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

No further discussion of RWAdmin will be tolerated. tmtoulouse 00:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

From the Book of Trent, Chapter 1

¹These are the descendents of Trent. ²Trent begat Javascap, Chaos!, DickTurpis, Airdish, DLerner and Human, ³whose children were as many as the stars in the sky, on a murky day in the city at least. ⁴The children of Javascap: Gauss, Theemperor, Yossarian and Thanatos. ⁵All of these were without issue, and so endeth the line of Javascap. ⁶The children of Chaos!: Radioactive Afikomen, Sid and AJKjeldsen. ⁷Radioactive Afikomen begat Armondikov, DogP, Weaseloid and Nx. ⁸Weaseloid begat Concernedresident and the Loya Jirga, who did wonder unto the purpose of his own being. ⁹Nx begat LArron, producer of charts.

¹⁰Human begat P-Foster, BobM, Dave Gerard, Hojimachong, Phantom Hoover, SusanG, SirChuckB, Kels, ¹¹NuttyRoux, who is called Teh Asp, Researcher, Caius, who is called AmesG, and Ghenghis Khant. ¹²P-Foster begat ListenerX, who gave himself unto the worship of false gods. ¹³Phantom Hoover begat SuperJosh, who was cursed with the mark of n00b, Edgerunner76, and Jeeves.

¹⁴The children of SuperJosh: SuperJosh begat Gooniepunk2010. ¹⁵Gooniepunk2010 begat MeiII, Aboriginal Noise, AD, and Neveruse, who betrayed him. ¹⁶But the curse of SuperJosh was fulfilled through the line of Gooniepunk2010, and none of his children flourished ¹⁷and all of his seed was eaten up by the birds and never heard of again until the end of time.

¹⁸The children of SusanG: SusanG begat Pi, who is called transcendental. ¹⁹Pi begat Ace McWicked, Toast, who was very like unto his own mother, ²⁰and Psygremlin, Waiting for Godot and Secret Squirrel. ²¹Ace McWicked did feast on the fruit of the grape, and did beget Refugee. ²²The other descendents of Human: ²³AmesG begat Pinto's5150, ²⁴and Pinto's5150 begat Jazzman831. ²⁵Genghis Khant begat Lily. ²⁶And so endeth the line of Trent.

-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 11:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I hereby start the Book of Trent Retranslation Project! EddyP (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

That is most excellent! ħuman 22:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Crat Table

Editor was	cratted by	on
3.14159	SusanG	2008-08-27
85 25 151 22	Tmtoulouse	2008-05-15
Aboriginal Noise	Gooniepunk2010	2009-09-11
Ace McWicked	Π	2009-01-16
AD	Gooniepunk2010	2010-02-02
Airdish	Tmtoulouse	2007-06-28
AKjeldsen	Pink	2008-07-24
Alecwh	Pinto's5150	2008-11-30
AmesG	Human	2007-11-11
Armondikov	Radioactive afikomen	2009-02-17
Bob M	Human	2007-11-20
Bohdan	Caius	2007-12-12
Caius	Human	2008-05-09
Chaos!	Human	2008-06-29
CivisAmericanusSum	Caius	2008-04-17
ColinR	RWadmin	2007-05-22
Concernedresident	Weaseloid	2010-05-29
ConservapediaUndergroundResistor	Phantom Hoover	2009-03-01
Conservative Punk	Gooniepunk2010	2009-10-31
CPWebmaster	Π	2009-04-15
Crundy	Edgerunner76	2009-09-16
David Gerard	Human	2010-05-08
DickTurpis	Tmtoulouse	2008-08-26
DLerner	Tmtoulouse	2008-08-26
Doggedpersistence	Radioactive afikomen	2008-10-06
Edgerunner76	Phantom Hoover	2009-02-12
Ed Poor	Caius	2008-12-02
Enghorn	Human	2008-08-02
FrankThePseudoscientist	Gooniepunk2010	2010-05-19
Gauss	Javascap	2009-02-12
Genghis Khant	Human	2008-07-12
GodlessLiberal	Caius	2008-04-09
Gooniepunk2010	SuperJosh	2009-09-07
Hojimachong	Human	2008-08-27
Human	Tmtoulouse	2007-06-28
Javascap	Tmtoulouse	2008-08-31
Javascap - test	Javascap	2009-02-12
Jazzman831	Pinto's5150	2008-12-15
JeevesMkII	Phantom Hoover	2009-01-28
Jtl	Tmtoulouse	2007-06-28
Kal-El	Edgerunner76	2009-02-17
Kektklik	Theemperor	2009-08-07
Kels	Human	2008-05-23
LArron	Nx	2009-08-05
Lily	Genghis Khant	2009-04-01
Linus	Linus	2008-05-10
Linus M.	RWadmin	2007-05-22
ListenerX	P-Foster	2009-08-03
Loya Jirga	Weaseloid	2010-02-02
MarcusCicero	P-Foster	2009-12-31
Mei II	Gooniepunk2010	2010-01-10
Moriarty	Phantom Ninja	2009-11-29
Nate River	Javascap	2009-02-12
Nemokifa evitcaoidaR	Phantom Hoover	2009-02-06
Neveruse	Gooniepunk2010	2009-10-30
Nutty Roux	Human	2009-07-30
Nx	Radioactive afikomen	2009-02-27
NxBot	Nx	2009-03-28
P-Foster	Human	2009-01-03
Phantom Hoover	Human	2009-01-26
Phantom Ninja	Phantom Hoover	2009-04-23
Pink	Human	2008-10-16
Pinto's5150	Caius	2007-11-11
Proxima Centauri	Javascap	2008-09-13
Psygremlin	Π	2009-04-08
PunchingBag	Gooniepunk2010	2010-02-04
Radioactive afikomen	Pink	2008-09-12
RaoulDuke	P-Foster	2009-10-04
Refugee	Ace McWicked	2009-04-22
Researcher	Human	2009-10-19
Secret Squirrel	Π	2009-03-12
Sheesh!	Javascap	2009-10-30
Sid	Pink	2008-08-31
SirChuckB	Human	2008-08-26
SuperJosh	Phantom Hoover	2009-09-07
SusanG	Human	2008-05-23
Teresita	Javascap	2008-09-28
Thanatos	Thanatos	2009-10-03
Theemperor	Javascap	2009-03-02
TK	Caius	2008-04-01
TmtamesP	Caius	2008-03-03
Tmtoulouse	RWadmin	2007-05-22
Toast	Π	2009-01-14
Totnesmartin	Phantom Hoover	2009-02-12
WaitingforGodot	Π	2008-09-03
Weaseloid	Radioactive afikomen	2009-01-11
Yossarian	Javascap	2009-02-14
Π	Π	2009-01-27

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 21:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

According to this chart Linus cratted himself. Is that possible? Is that a sin in the eyes of Trent? Does that make him our resident Onan? DickTurpis (talk) 22:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Shoot, looks like I missed a few. Though it's gonna be hard to decide which ones to take "seriously". Linus cratted himself, Trent, and Colin when installing the MediaWiki, IIRC. ħuman 22:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)