User talk:Human

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Greetings

Why hello. Nice website that you have here. And nice to see that you have editors who don't have problems with understanding English. Shot info (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC) [1]

Tweak

I have given you an ugly yellow box for no reason. Have a nice day. Javasca₧ why me? 01:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Aw, thanks ;) ħuman 02:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

My upcoming Thom Hartmann article

mother's milk

I'll copy it over after I finish it. Probably sometime after I am done recovering from my surgeryThe Goonie 1 (talk) 03:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Just move it and work in the mainspace. It's only you and I that care anyway ;) But do as you see fit. ħuman 04:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Roger that! Over and out.The Goonie 1 (talk) 05:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Whew, that was certainly a fistfight, wasn't it? Amazing how, it would seem, every article I write from scratch here seems to provoke the greatest controversies and in-fighting. Anyways, thanks for helping me duke it out. I owe you some Johnnie Walker Blue Label (or are you not a whiskey person?)The Goonie 1 (talk) 05:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yum, scotch. Have you not read my user page? Anyway, yeah, the thing is, we both know him as people who listen to his show, so we think he's totally reasonable. The others turned up and googled the silliest of his book titles and went nuts. It certainly was a battle, and I suspect will continue to be. Wait 'till we start Mike Malloy! He's a hard-nosed atheist with a gun who sometimes says some strange things... ħuman 05:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I will make an effort to listen to one of his radio shows, though I do put more faith than some in the ability of certain cranks to be reasonable on demand. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

He is reasonable 24/7. Apparently, as I said elsewhere, you have never explored my website... Anyway, I appreciate your offer to try to catch one of his shows. I hope you enjoy, although he is a bit of a commie. ħuman 05:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I have listened to several of the clips from his radio show on his YouTube channel, and I still think he is a crank; I see those religion-based morals of his shining through in some of the arguments. ListenerX^TalkerX 21:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Malloy says strange things? Never!!! ;) No, it does appear that I missed the part on your userpage where you mention scotch. I'm huge whiskey and scotch enthusiast myself.The Goonie 1 (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Your new sig is hideous

that is all. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 05:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I was just about to bring that up at the Bar. Thanks :) ħuman 05:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Why not add this to your sig? My present to you. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 05:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I could work with that... ħuman 05:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Now to "etch" the edges with some white pixels... ħuman 05:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Much better. Ace is right, lets listen to him. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 05:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The "Human" part of the poster could probably be turned into a vector graphic with relative ease; then you could keep the green/pink coloration, without any annoying black boxes around the pink. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If you can do it, upload and let me know where it is? I kinda like the black given the look of the text... ħuman 06:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Here it is. A quick Inkscape job; the colors can be adjusted with little trouble. ListenerX^TalkerX 06:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. See my comments at the image page? Thanks for the help, we may get out of this bog yet! ħuman 06:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I have uploaded the version with the new color. You can use a scaled version in your signature, as I do in mine with a different SVG. ListenerX^TalkerX 16:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks³!!! ħuman 21:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I ought to make the link to my talk page out of that crosshair part of the image... ħuman 23:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

But we just rid your signature of annoying black boxes... ListenerX^TalkerX 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

True, but how about cutting out the graphic, replacing all the white with green, and getting rid of the black? Might not be legible, of course... ħuman 20:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Your new sig is glorious

that is all. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 22:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. It kicks ass, I'd be jealous if I knew how to make one.--PitchBlackMind (talk) 22:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It is quite simple, actually; download Inkscape, open up an image and use the "Trace Bitmap" option. ListenerX^TalkerX 22:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, I may even have Inkscape on my machine. But I never got the hang of it, all the image editing things I am used to doing seemed to be intentionally hidden from me. Since you seemed to be fluent in it I figured you could change the color in seconds. So thanks again! ħuman 22:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The color change was effected in Emacs rather than Inkscape. ListenerX^TalkerX 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Eh, it's not bad, but I like it a shitload more than your old one.The Goonie 1 (talk) 22:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You mean crossed "h", comic sans, random talk page link version? ħuman 22:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that one.The Goonie 1 (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I could always bring it back if you piss me off ;) ħuman 03:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Then I'll just have to avoid doing so. Either that, or care less than I do currently. ;)The Goonie 1 (talk) 03:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Either one works just fine :) ħuman 03:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Human,

Thought I would ask, it would appear that the website owner of WikiSynergy is Purple Scissor and I'm wondering if I can add this information into the article here or elsewhere. In case you haven't noticed, my beef with WS is not that it's a woosite (after all, there are thousands out there so whats the issue with yet another one) but that they store and collate outing information on Wikipedian editors. Given that Outers normally hate being outed themselves, I'm wondering if somewhere should return the favour on the editors over there who out WP users who insist on remaining masked themselves? Ta Shot info (talk) 23:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

That is against Wiki policy. ListenerX^TalkerX 23:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Take your wiki-stalking elsewhere. ħuman 23:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The stuff about outing is worth mentioning in the article though, but don't out people yourself. - π 00:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Are they "outing", or just keeping track of WIGO WP regarding their pet topics? ħuman 00:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

@ ListenerX, thanks for that - I wasn't aware of the policy.

@ Human, thanks for refactoring, I spotted the replies on my talk and was going to refactor, but others beat me to it. FWIW, I didn't know the policy(ies) here, hence why I asked the question.

@ Pi - it's probably worth mentioning that they maintain lists of editors (only WP at the moment, but it's the thin edge of the wedge - how long before it's other sites...) whose edits they find objectionable in some fashion (ie/ they are "skeptics").

@ Human - well, it's about privacy really. Already both editors they have long files on have objected to the collection of information and have requested it be removed for privacy reasons. While WS can say "its our policy" I have noticed that various skeptical editors have chanced upon these articles, questioned them, and then withdrawn their support - myself included. Of course I'm blocked primarly because Purple Scissor didn't like my opinion - namely that I feel that "skeptics" (whoever they are) should withdrawl their editing support for WikiSynergy until such time that those bio's are removed. After all, it needs to be asked, how long before it's somebody here? Shot info (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Eh, Shot, you were blocked at WS for using their wiki to try to tell people not to edit there. As far as your claims of "both editors they have long files on have objected to the collection of information and have requested it be removed for privacy reasons" that sort of claim should include (copious) links, or it is worthless. Simply tracking someone's edit on WP isn't a frickin' crime, and neither is calling them names for their edit pattern. ħuman 03:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

(ec)Yes Human, you are correct, albiet what you have said is just a cutdown version of what I said. I can send you the links, but I'm not going to dignify WS with linking to them from here more than I have too. Do you have email - I can send them to you there. But yes, it isn't a crime. But should it be rewarded by "skeptics" helping them out? Personally I think no, said so there, and have said so here. I gather you think it's ok and you wish to help them out? Shot info (talk) 03:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Put them here (talk wiki synergy would be a better place?) or shut up. I've helped them out quite a bit, yeah. So you don't like that? Saying to people on their wiki that they shouldn't help is a bit weird. Trent has written some good stuff there, I've found some fun stuff to edit, say, our EVP article, what's your beef with any of that? ħuman 03:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I can see that I've p!ssed you of in some manner, and for that I apologise. I don't understand why you have a problem with websites who compile info about people (Quackpotwatch etc). But here's some info for a start. If you are a skeptic, you will know who this person is. Have a look in the talk pages to see what the subject thinks of it (and he was even helping out WS at the time). Then have a look at [2]. I wonder how long before this list is populated. Then how long will it be before RW editors appear there. Admitably at the rate they are putting information up...it will take forever... :-).

PS: Purp is asking for your input again ;-P. And the "other WP editor" she is talking about is another WP editor who asked for their page to be taken down, denied and blocked. Shot info (talk) 03:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Your PS looks like it needs two links or else I'll have no idea what you are talking about. All I saw was PS' comment on template talk:welcome, and etaroced is our own tmtoulouse... As far as pissing me off, only by sticking up a real name of someone on some other wiki without substantiation - it looks like you are rolling a feud from elsewhere onto our site. ħuman 03:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Meh, you responded already on WS, although maybe you are editing more than two wikis atm :-). There is substantiation, but I asked, and was responded to with a rather emphatic no. So I'm not pursuing it any further. Yes, I know tmtoulouse (or a "tmtoulouse" who edits WP). But you are right in pointing out that you are allowed to help out sites that stick it up "skeptical" editors. I don't really care, but that editor (Brangifer) thought the same way...once. Shot info (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm totally in the dark about WikiSynergy, haven't heard about it until just now, but: "Take your wiki-stalking elsewhere." "That is against Wiki policy." What the fuck? I mean what the fuckin' fuck? Are you fuckin' kidding me? Wiki-stalking may not be policy around here, but it sure is practice. There's a used-car salesman in Nevada and a guy with poorer wiki-editing skills that me in Buffalo who are laughing uproariously at the sheer bloody hypocrisy of that statement. Jesus Christ. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Those people's identities have clear trails of evidence (Like TK in the newspaper, the used car salesman thing is a canard). Our "new friend" is pursuing some agenda that has nothing to do with RW, just like the old Barbara Shack identity war found its way here. ħuman 03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Presumably the "new friend" is me, so I'll respond, Human - I asked you a question, which you responded to with another question, so I answered that, and you responded with another question. I will continue to respond to your questions to explain my position. Now I have taken and accepted your (and others) response to my initial inquiry, so there is no issues there. Shot info (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's get this straight: nothing on WikiSynergy is actually outing. It is just a collection of information from the net (I could give you a copy of the original Fyslee article to prove it, but we're not giving that out because he objects so much). There is no private email (yes, we have that), there has been absolutely no reporting of anything that wasn't already publicly available. But due to the whining about it, we aren't doing it any more anyway. And Shot info is blocked for doing just what he's doing here: tearing everything down, not doing anything of use, and anyway we know him as a troll on Wikipedia as well so why should we think he'd be any better on a woo site?

Shot info said "and he was even helping out WS at the time" as if Fyslee/Brangifer had come and helped WS before we contacted him and asked if he wanted to vet his entry. Then if I remember he vandalized the article.

Cuerden/Shoemaker's Holiday eventually got blocked for blanking most or all of the article multiple times example. And the Cuerden article also had almost nothing but his edit history at WP (and some info from his own sites), and we were very fair to him. Cuerden even wrote an email accusing us of libel, with the subject "Domain being used to harass and provide inaccurate and libellous information, with no regard for the truth". Brangifer made reference to letting his lawyers deal with it (like he has a closet full). It was really an amazing scene overall, since all we did was collate some freely available information on the internet (and there were things we could have emphasized which would have made the Cuerden article nasty, but we -I- stuck to Wikipeida editing history). In the case of Brangifer/Fyslee, he hasn't even bothered to get pages like [redacted because I don't know the rules here, above Human took out something I would have thought was public] deleted, so we see no reason to take stuff down on WS. Why did we take down as much as we did?? Tarantallegra (talk) 20:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

TK IS THAT YOU

CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID! CONSERVIPEDIA IS STUPID!

[editor note: I removed 95% of the repetitions of the above wall of text.] ħuman 21:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Correct, although you spelt "Conservapedia" wrong. SJ ^Debaser 09:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ.--C0n53rv4p3d14 r00l2 (talk) 13:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope this is acceptable.

I hope this is acceptable. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Recommendation for demotion to sysops

Because he's been here for a while, and because his edits positively conribute to RationalWiki, and because he doesn't appear to have been demoted already, I recommend you Bureaucrats demote user:Rad McCool to sysop.The Goonie 1 (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I will, but isn't he either Ace McWicked's sock or close friend? Surprising Ace hasn't demoted the user, since Ace a demotion whore and we be sorely pissed and piss on me if I get there first. Anyway, yeah, you're right, Rad's been around too long to not get the fist up the rectum. ħuman 06:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Lightly burnt bread did it on May 29. Why a you wasta my time, eh? I breaka you face if you no paya attention! ħuman 06:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. I didn't know because there is usually a demotion message associated with it, and I didn't see one on their talkpage.The Goonie 1 (talk)

There should be, yes, but Rad is a well-known tool. Anyway, yeah, Susan Garlic Toast should have left the manual on Rad's page. But to check there's always the various user rights etc. pages under special. ħuman 06:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

only just caught this....Rad McCool is the master, Rad McCool is represents all that is good and holy, Rad McCool is cutier than puppies and scotch, Rad McCool is lord, Rad McCool is NOT my sock. Ace McWicked^{Model 500} 08:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I poke outta my head!

I can't believe I haven't farted here yet. I might have on a now archived page... anyway

Ah, sorry, I farted. This page has been gas attacked by SuperJosh. Sorry.

here you go. Apologies if it's an old joke by now. How's the flan? Is it ready? SJ ^Debaser 20:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Shit, you flatulated here weeks/months ago. But pibot stuck it in a backroom a few days later since it was ponging out the noobs and friends. ħuman 01:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

My apologies then, as I want to avoid excess guffing in one userspace for fear of killing an already over-exercised joke. SJ ^Debaser 12:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

No need to apologize, just breathe deeply. They smell like roses to you, right? ħuman 06:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

No... It smells like that to you? Unusual, as I only eat fake, plastic roses as opposed to the pointy real life ones... SJ ^Debaser 12:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Shoemaker

Hey, if you want to know why we had so much trouble with those bios, you should read this. It really kind of explains everything, we were just dealing with at least one really sick person "Hell, let me make a public statement about the Matthew Hoffman case". Tarantallegra (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)