Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

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Has it really been THREE MONTHS already?

Has it really been THREE MONTHS already? --CЯacke® 00:43, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I suggest it be known as Phase 6 and start May 22 - RW founder's Day. Let's apply our efforts to getting the new WIGO Clogosphere up to strength. (Although I don't really like the name.) Genghis^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 04:08, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

*is aghast and horrified* <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 04:28, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Can't say the name really appeals to me, but I'm not horrified by it. We'll change it later if necessary. --Kels 10:08, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

22 May is my dog's first birthday. He is called Bruno and he is a chocolate brown Field Cocker Spaniel. XD Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 16:35, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Isn't our birthday May 21st? -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:49, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Problem?

CP down?   ^Contribs_Talk 05:01, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Not for me. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 05:06, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

No! It just went unobtainable for about 5 minutes for me - back on now.   ^Contribs_Talk 05:11, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Definitely unstable at the moment. I've had the old "Conservapedia has a problem" page several times now. I think they are having difficulties with animals on teh interten superhighway which is slowing the traffic down. Genghis^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 05:32, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

It's definitely not Ides. DogP 16:47, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Just got this and it cracks me up. Problem's indeed. Jrssr5 15:58, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

We have that saved already ;) See: Conservapedia. Total crack up! human 16:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I get that in bursts lasting about 5 minutes every 6 or so hours.   ^Contribs_Talk 16:13, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

KDLF TTSW 57DD BBXC 9FD5 NNSP 77FF CCXP 8NK8 AQ25 MMSN LAKP 8GS0 00HG JH74. All seems to working very well indeed! DogP 16:19, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

That's as I thought. The connection is now timing out before even getting to the server's error message. human 16:21, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm gonna bring Fn back to around .005 of çQ and see if that brings it back into range again. DogP 16:28, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Tracert shows 209.85.100.44 as "being there" but nothing on port 80. I would hazard a guess that maybe all that traffic to go see the Atheism article has made them exceed their bandwidth allocation? CЯacke® 16:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, actually, Homosexuality had gained about a million views in the last couple hours, that's probably why... it had become their "most popular!" Lyra (I know a man with a goat) 16:47, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia Has a Problem

*Chewbacca noise in disdain* Too many connections? Is that like, a DOS attack or something? I can't imagine millions of people swarming to CP for trusworthy advice. Norseman^Wassail! 17:04, 19 May 2008 (EDT) (moved 17:10)

Yup. Looks like it's fucked from where I'm sitting. Repeated server error pages, 404s, 500s. Bot attack/DoS? Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 17:26, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I believe one should first apply Hanlon's Razor and ask yourself "is it possible that Andy has no comprehension on how to administer a wiki and did something to mess up the database or misconfigure the server (thinking he knew better than the hosting admin)?" --Shagie 17:42, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia is down?! This calls for a celebration! -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:46, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I suppose it is possible that Assfly was poking around inside the server with a screwdriver or somesuch malarky but, realistically, with CP's Homosexuality article jumping a million views in about an hour, it looks like a bot/DoS scenario. I'm 85.65% certain that assfly will claim something to do with librul someting or udder. Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 17:57, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I assumed it was us? Also, I recall Uchiha discussing a DDoS attack. Perhaps we should ask him if his acqaintances went ahead with it? -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Maybe they got slash dotted by The Michigan Daily[1]? --Shagie 18:04, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Wow. I thought the blogosphere forgot about Conservapedia months ago. I figured it had become old news and we were all alone with it. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:08, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I demand the return of my favourite fundie loon soap opera! --Robledo 18:12, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Is that the CЯacke® Andy Warhol version of Chewbacca? : ) -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:15, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

AaronP

I'm sure he means well, but given his intro on his talk page [2], I think we can start the countdown to a banhammer falling.... now. --Psygremlin_Whut? 08:18, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, he's going to violate the first implied CP Commandment: "Do not add facts unless they are compatible to a liberal-hating, YEC POV". --Sid 09:06, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

He already got reverted twice for removing some Andyspeak from the Professor values article. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 09:23, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

His professor values edits never stood a chance. Quickly reverted by Andy who threw this little gem in food good measure (and likely as a "fuck you") immediately afterwards. So if 3 or 4 professors have done something once, it's suddenly something professors do? I also just love the way the protest of the crusty old bitch contradicts what CP always says liberals do, which is shout down any conservative who tries to speak on a college campus, as opposed to conservatives, who protest their opponents silently. I guess even that is now evil liberal behavior. DickTurpis 09:43, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

RW editors will never get tired of the same old biased shite about evil professors, "martyrs" for the YEC cause, lieberal conspiracy theories and all that other insane crap from Andy & Co., will they? :) Angband 10:20, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I can't speak for my friends cell mates, but I never get tired of hypocrisy from any side.... Whether it's Andy claiming that degrees from non christian schools are worthless, while bragging about his degree from Harvard or Former Gov. spitzer prosecuting prostitutes while visiting a very expensive one on the side or even good Rev Haggard, who makes a wonderful cameo in Jesus Camp, which makes his scandel ever funnier. I love it from all sides, so to answer, NO. I never tyre of it (that was an intentional spelling error) SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 15:35, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Predicting Andy

In response to this, Andy will say that "Conservapedian" doesn't always mean somebody who is associated with Conservapedia and/or that liberals take things too literally.

If he doesn't I'll stop mocking him for a week. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 11:30, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm guessing you're right, in that he'll simply redefine what it means to be a "Conservapedian". He may also throw in an accusation of Liberal Style #48 for good measure. --SpinyNorman 12:37, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

NIGHTFLARE FTW!!!!!PFoster 13:49, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I love the way Ferno's talklink now reads "All my funny lines are banned." Andy is really being a dick (more than usual) over that signature. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 14:46, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy vs. Hollywood

You have to admit, it's properly labled. The "Falsehoods Section" is, indeed, full of falsehoods. --Kels 15:59, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

en passant: the educator Schlafly apparently thinks that a troika is the same as a trio.   ^Contribs_Talk 16:01, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

It isn't?? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 16:03, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Also pretending to be stupid brings out my intolerance. :-)   ^Contribs_Talk 16:06, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I can't win! Halp, halp! <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 16:12, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

troika /troyk/ • noun 1 a Russian vehicle pulled by a team of three horses abreast. 2 a team of three horses. 3 a group of three people working together, especially as administrators or managers. — ORIGIN Russian, from troe ‘set of three’. PFoster

Oh, that makes more sense. I've always wondered what the hell "troika" was for. Thanks. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 16:12, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

"green-lighted a troika of Matthew Shepherd movies" Schlafly quote.   ^Contribs_Talk 16:14, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Good job Rob Smith's not around any more. He'd burst a vessel seeing his boss use a Russian term! --Kels 16:15, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Whatever happened to him, anyway? --Gulik 17:48, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

The low-flow toilet mafia caught up with him. It wasn't pretty. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 17:49, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Minor Grammar quibble... shouldn't it be "living in backwards America?" Also, I love how Andy is willing to take the word of convicted criminals as the absolute truth. No reason a convicted Felon would lie about his motives to avoid a lesser punishment right Andy? You fucking idiot SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 18:22, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Deletions

What has DanH got against Adolf Hitler in that he keeps deleting the article? Surely it would be to CP's advantage to highlight his faults? It just looks like they are ashamed that he was actually a Catholic. Isn't it about time you deleted and recreated another homosexuality related article Dan? You can't be too proud of all of them surely? Come on Dan, we know that deep down you have some integrity. Be a man not a sheep. Genghis^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 18:32, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

I think he just wants to get rid of all its pageviews, they get restarted after a deletion. Lyra (I know a man with a goat) 18:37, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Now he's done it with one of Ken's Homosexuality pages too...PFoster 21:18, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Won't Kenservative be a little upset? I'm sure he'd love it if his articles were artificially inflated like that. Perhaps we should try and induce Dan to reset Atheism and Homosexuality as well? Than would really piss Ken off. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 21:24, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

If we can get him to delete a few more out of the Top Top, we can get David Beckham, Unicorn and Kangaroo into the mix. Time to change up the Top Ten! I'm delighted to see Portsmouth is #2 now. I hadn't realised CP was such a hotbed of support for 'Arry's boys. DogP 00:17, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Wierd Ed

His edit summary in that item was "yes, my sweet bubbly friend." What? Is this some kind of CP in-joke, or what? (Or is Dan really "sweet" and/or "bubbly?") Lyra (I know a man with a goat) 22:29, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Ahh! I know the answer to this one! *calms down* DanH used to be called Mountain Dew. *preens* <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Hysterical and useless} 22:32, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

That was back-in-the-day, I complained his moniker was offensive to me since it was a euphemism for illicit alcohol. He complained that "Cracker" was racially offensive to him, that's when I became Rob Pommer. This was Tax Day 2007 I'd guess. CЯacke® 22:46, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Hee hee. I remember that. Good times... SHahB 23:00, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

The image of a jellyfish preening just made my head explode. Rational Ed^think! 13:46, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Cults

This is kinda funny http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=51028&diff=456338&oldid=456187

Also, anyone notice (or pointed out to Ed) that the Unification Church is under Category:Cults

Ace McWicked 23:27, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Liberal Skeletons

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Anybody read the article? Fucking hilarious!

Given how young I am in comparison to the events mentioned in the article, I have no memories of the events. I'm very skeptical of his assertions. He offers no specific information, aside from vague claims that "Joe Bloggs was a hero to American leftists." Are we sure that this isn't Andy under a pseudonym? Lardashe

Isn't it obvious?

I'm sorry, but isn't it a bit more newsworthy when a churchman steals as compared to junkies? DLerner 03:07, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

The headline "Dog Bites Man" is not really of interest, but the headline "Man Bites Dog" is considerably more of interest.Lardashe

Not if you really hate dogs! human 12:37, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Modern Christian Parable you WON'T see on CP

One day, a well known author receives an award for one of his books, including a substantial sum of money. While going out to his car though, he's approached by a woman telling him about her child that is deathly sick and needs an expensive operation in order to get healthy again. The author moved to tears cuts a check and hands it to the woman who then goes off and cashes it. Later, a friend of his notes to him that she had lied, and that there was no sick child. The author replied, "Wow, what a relief. There is no sick child!" The moral is... shut up, money ain't be yours, an the only thing that matters in life is the well-being of others, not whether you got ripped off. The CP version likely ends up with the lady going to jail for ten consecutive life terms before being killed in prison by a gang fight after overdosing on heroin. --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 03:16, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Which wouldn't have happened if the inmates had been allowed to carry guns :) :) SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 03:39, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Subtle Vandalism

Look at the last line LOL --DLerner 12:23, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I wonder when they'll find the one in Battle of Gettysburg. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 12:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Aziraphale's Parthian Shot...

Screencap, maybe?PFoster 12:44, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Got it. Opinion later, once I read it. --Sid 12:52, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I already did the WIGO, you wanna add the screen? --Kels 12:53, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Done, and I also adjusted the main link to the section. --Sid 13:05, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I was under the understanding that diffs were preferable because after Andy or Kowardjou delete the post, it'll still be there. Am I wrong in this? --Kels 13:09, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Sometimes the entire page gets whacked and then recreated without the offensive post showing up. !CЯacke® 13:12, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, we know Andy's active. He just blocked StatsFan for telling the truth. --Kels 13:13, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I thought the diff would probably survive in this case, even if the post is deleted... human 13:25, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I linked to a permalink-version of the page. So if Andy just removes the post in a later edit, the permalink will still have it. It's as good as a diff in that regard. And diffs don't survive page deletions, either. --Sid 13:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm actually excited to see his response. It's not really a subject he can generate statistics in regard to. But I'm sure he'll just revert it and that'll be a non-dramatic ending to a well through criticism. Lardashe

If nothing else, A Zero Phile is absolutely right about restricting signup at CP. If Andy simply vetted wannabe editors, he'd have a much more manageable project that might actually grow in a sensible fashion. As it is, people whose main skill is deleting comments and blocking trolls rise to the top of his "meritocracy". Hell, then Poor Ed could spend his spare time trolling WP for abused conservative editors to invite! human 13:31, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

It's true, I love me some zeros. Az -iraphale :p 13:35, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

And let me rephrase that - Zepo is right about most of what he wrote, I think, but "If nothing else, Andy should listen to A Zero Phile about restricting..." is what I really meant. human 13:37, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Aziraphale makes some good points and has good intentions, but I find some suggestions troubling in the details:

• "all editing should require an account and those accounts should be verified in some fashion"
  • Given how willing the sysops are to blackmail people with private information and how often they publish it, NO. HELL NO. I can see the point, but trusting Andy and his goons with private info should be a big no-no. The worst part is that people usually need a few days or weeks before realizing how insane and hate-filled CP sysops can be. And at that time, they'd prefer to distance themselves as far as possible from the site, but they gave exactly those people personal data. Not good.
• "Has a single valued contributor to this site started off as a nuisance user?"
  • Yes: The entire founding team of RW and most of our new members. We all joined the site in an effort to improve it, and almost all of us were branded vandals, liberals, nuisance, or even terrorists at some point simply for not saying "Yes, Andy, you're right! Public schools are Satan and every child should carry a gun! Also, abortions most definitely cause breast cancer and Hollywood and Universities are filled with disgusting liberals who try to brainwash the world into becoming New Sodom," and for offering differing opinions. Or for trying to include facts, even if they are not YEC-compatible. It all grinds down to Andy's definition of who is a nuisance, after all.

All in all, though, he's mostly on the right track. The site should finally drop the pretense of being "open". It's not. Anything that goes against the ideology of the sysops will be removed without discussion. Key articles are protected right from the start to prevent any dissenting view from ever entering it. If you're not a YEC Gun Nut, you are wrong on CP, and the site leadership should finally admit that. CP is not an encyclopedia, and it's not trustworthy. It's an activist opinion site, period. And some sysops should really be booted. "High quality contributors" my ass. --Sid 13:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Sad part of all that is I was recommending bits of that ages ago. Close the site. Kick out the really insane ones like the Koward and Ken. Shift the focus back to homeschoolers and don't open it to the general public for editing. See, that I could respect. Not Andy's Conservative Lie Emporium and Travelling Snake Oil Show. --Kels 14:12, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Surprise, Andy replies....and no surprise, he sounds like a cult leader. Exactly like a cult leader.PFoster 13:46, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Something is holding you back from accepting conservative values across-the-board. Maybe it's the views of friends, maybe it's a personal experience, or maybe it's a misunderstanding of what conservatism is. Well, that's why were here. Let go of what is holding you back, and try accepting the logic and emotion of conservatism. Then you won't leave it again.

...oh dear God, you're right. The paragraph starting with "Millions homeschool" makes him sound more like a Bond villain, but the last one REALLY sounds like a cult leader. I've read tons of Andy-posts in my life, but this one paragraph creeps me out more than 95% of his other stuff combined. --Sid 13:53, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Wow............wow..............that whole thing.........I can't even fathom........nevermind I don't even want to try and think about it. tmtoulouse ^plague 14:00, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, we already knew that Andy defines anyone who doesn't agree with Himself and Mommy as Liberal, but this is probably the most blatant he's made it. To him, there's a laundry list of positions, and you must agree with every single one of them in order to be a Conservative. Don't like abortion but allow gay marriage? Liberal. Don't like either one but believe gun control is useful? Liberal. I assume that only PJR's unwavering lying to himself support of YEC saves him, but I'll bet Andy's suspicious of him, too. Ideological test? Check. --Kels 14:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Funny thing is, Andy's black-and-white examples are far from black and white. There are huge grey areas he can't see. The vast majority of people are neither in the "a fertilized egg is a human being with rights as much as anyone else" camp nor the "have an abortion at 8 1/2 months, no questions asked" camp either. Likewise people can be for, against, or indifferent to gay marriage, or against it but not in favor of an amendment banning it. There are even people in the world (unfathomable as it may be to Andy) who may oppose something but not want it banned. But Andy does seem like a cult leader, and I am getting seriously concerned about these students of his. I have no problem with them holding conervative ideals, but this brainwashing is troublesome. DickTurpis 14:41, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) More later, but for now: Sid - you might have been adding a value, but were you valuable from Andy's perspective? Not by individual edits, but net? Accounting for how much effort is spent dealing with the people they disagree with?

I was not, and am not, trying to "diss" anybody here, but imo CP doesn't get more than it costs to deal with the dissenters. Bear in mind, under a "registration required" model I would not be an editor at CP, for exactly the reasons you raised. Az 14:25, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Embrace the dark side, Aziraphile. It is your destiny! DickTurpis 14:31, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

"Sid - you might have been adding a value, but were you valuable from Andy's perspective?" - Heh, that's an excellent way of asking, and it nicely highlights where you are right. The answer is (of course) "No, I wasn't," since most of my edits went against Andy's view of reality. Some of my edits may have been universally true enough to be accepted, but the rest... My protest (that point at least) was mostly based on a more universal view of "value", but you're right that on CP, this definition doesn't get you very far.

That's also why I agreed with your basic point - putting CP into lockdown mode and dropping the act that the project is actually open. --Sid 14:42, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, Kels and I have had similar opinions on this for so long it's not funny. @ Andy: I suspect your discomfort stems from some disagreements with conservative principles. really means I suspect your discomfort stems from some disagreements with my principles. Andy's small-tent "conservatism" is in direct contradiction with his triumphalist view that the world would embrace CP as a fountain of true-majority conservative ideals. And there's no shame in putting together an "encyclopedia" with a closed editor base (open upon request and approval) with a minority stance. Just to get one's ideas out there. Wiki or blog, it's all the same.

PS, @ AZ and Sid - I joined CP an obvious "enemy of the state", but all my edits to CP actually made it a (slightly) better encyclopedia. I just avoided the controversial topics - but not having controversial friends ;) human 14:48, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm not really a fan of labeling a blog or other activist site an "encyclopedia", but it may work if they had the guts of admitting their bias instead of claiming that they are "trustworthy".

And when I joined CP, I never thought that I'd end up being one of those Bad Boys the "good kids" shouldn't hang out with. XD Then again, I hadn't anticipated how closed-off and hostile Schlafly-conservatives would be in the face of dissent on any subject. Small wonder they are mostly shunned on WP and had to flee into niches where they could be king. --Sid 15:03, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Yet another intelligent, thoughtful, willing to listen CONSERVATIVE gone from conservapedia. Wish I could shake AZ's (right) hand after reading that. You go, Republican! Czolgolz 15:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

On open editing and software. Andy wants to use Wiki software and he wants to have it be as open to editing as wikipedia. If he closes it down to the level of Creationwiki, it isn't wikipedia and he can't "win" in his own eyes. Long ago I suggested that H2G2[4] has a much better model for the type of system that would serve him much better - but its not wikipedia.

Andy also wants to be oppressed. This goes back to a group is its own worst enemy - "The identification and vilification of external enemies". He needs the demons out there that want to put him down. The liberal masses wanting to crush his message. This gives him strength. Just as we vilify Conservapedia and the anti-science types, Andy vilifies liberals, public schools, and wikipedia. As much of a headache as vandals are for CP, they are part of the social structure there and I daresay are needed for CP to feel that it has something of value. --Shagie 15:31, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

That brings up an interesting question: Does anyone actually read Conservapedia, aside from vandals and the couple dozen editors? Czolgolz 15:57, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Of course they do: are you suggesting that all Ken's Google spamming is to no avail? :-)   ^Contribs_Talk 16:09, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure no one uses it as a regular encyclopedia. It's useless as such. Kenny's campaign to advertize a few of his pet projects probably has a few eyes on them here and there, but it's not a reference work. I admit looking things up on it occasionally to get the far-right perspective on topics. I just did so today in fact, but their Che Guevara article is piss-poor; I expected a multi-page hatchet job, but got almost no information at all.

In any case, I've seen no references to anyone using CP as an encyclopedia. If we start seeing educational institutions telling students not to use CP as a source, that's when we should get worried and Andy should get excited, because that means that it's actually being used that way. When that happened to WP I knew that this somewhat obscure project I had taken an interest in had really arrived. That just isn't happening for Andy. DickTurpis 16:28, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Short answer: No.

Slighty longer answer: It's of course possible that thousands of people read CP and treat it as a trustworthy source for encyclopedic information. However, all these people apparently vowed to never post anything about it. I've made various "Who links to or talks about CP?" experiments, and I had extreme trouble finding any source that shows that anybody seriously reads CP (or at least no source that doesn't mock CP). 99% of all references about CP are either mocking posts or "sponsored links" - Conservative either trolling/spamming on sites, or people who link to CP because Conservative explicitly asked them to. --Sid 16:33, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

How could anyone use it as a trustworthy source of information? The first time a casual reader spots a factual error, bias or opinion in an article and tries to correct it or add to it they are almost instantly reverted or blocked. Or, they may see it happening to another editor. Once the Goggles Of Denial fall away, they are almost impossible to put back on again, and one instantly sees every other article as impossibly tainted with the stink of 'Blog'. DogP 16:50, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflicts, sorry for repeating what others may have said)

I have been collating page views on CP for quite some time and from what I can see the site acually gets 50,000-70,000 mainspace page views a day. Only the site admin knows the true stats of how many are unique IPs, how many of are vandals and how many are Ken rewriting the last sentence that he just posted. The main lulz for RW is on talk pages so we probably don't drive up the mainspace views that much. What I don't understand is why people go to CP for information, even if they are conservative, christian homeschoolers as there are very few articles that have any worthwhile content. Andy promotes the concise entry as being more encyclopaedic, well that may be true for an encyclopedic dictionary, but if you want to write an article for school then you need depth. That's what makes Wikipedia so interesting, you can follow a link to something and get a good grasp of the entire topic. The only articles that are not concise are the contentious crap about atheism, homosexuality and liberals, or the dozens of boring copied articles about insignificant naval vessels. none of which make good foundations for an encyclopedia. Nearly 50 articles on homosexual topics, none of which actually tell you much about the subject and mainly comprise acres of third-party quotes joined by Ken's hackneyed phrases. It's just not a resource for homeschoolers. Genghis^{Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.} 17:06, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

In my way of seeing things, his "Something is holding you back..." crap really sounds like "Damn, you got me. But, it's true if you BELIEVE it's true." Sort of a defeatist attitude who refuses defeat, y'know? Now imagine him telling that to a young, impressionable mind, giving a warm smile and patting them on the head. :P Norseman^Wassail! 17:23, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

In response to the bit above about page views. I think CP gets a pretty decent amount of traffic from RW, I also think much of the traffic comes from people who read it as a joke site. Much like Nambla, people treat CP as the joke it is. I think even the few conservatives that still think it holds any accountability recognize that it's not an encyclopedia. In fact, I tried to look something up today... oh yeah, the China Plate thing and like most of their articles, it was completely worthless and uninformative. I had to go to Wikipedia to figure it out. So I don't think many people really use it as a source of infromation, for gods sake, most of their articles are two sentences long and contain failry obvious information. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 17:47, 19 May 2008 (EDT)