User:Toast/CollapsibleNavBoxTest
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== Minor "wikiproject" ==
We probably need to go through this list to update references to the new President where appropriate. I can't think of an easy way to organize it, though, other than setting the RAbot on the task. ħuman
14:24, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- It would nice to get something like AutoWikiBrowser to work here. It semi-automates housekeeping tasks. I've had it working on WP but it doesn't work on CP or RW. I believe the source code is available, perhaps one of our geeks could adapt it?
ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD member 14:29, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I don't know how easily this one could be automated, but it does show a weakness we sometimes fall into, which is writing in the present tense (at times). It makes a lot of places where we need to update as time passes, but of course, we don't know where to look. Of course, some of these "updates" are just reality intruding on things we write about. Major events like changes of administration at least are noticeable, hopefully we'll get it all sorted. But lesser things can lapse into anachronism if carelessly written. Maybe we should use a little catting template for things we know will need updating? One that only leaves, say, a small asterisk in the text, but adds a category like "this will likely need updating", and a defsort for that cat by, say, month/year of the expected updating? ħuman 15:12, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I think a "current affairs" category, for people or issues that are often in the news, could be useful for keeping tabs on these things & updating when things change. Щєазєюіδ
Methinks it is a Weasel 16:17, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- That's not a bad idea... although I'm not sure the name will work well? How about something along the lines of "update", with the reason for the cat listed on its page? "Frequently changes"? I dunno, but, yeah, a single cat alone would do it nicely. ħuman 17:21, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- Instead of an actual visible cat; could put an invisible (style= "color:white") word that wouldn't naturally occur such "currentupdate" on each such page & then just search for that text or even have a special page that picks out pages using dpl like the helpnav template does by having such a keyword on it like: "{{keyword|updatekey = Barack}}" you could have a different keyname for various things.
(Crumpets) and butter 20:14, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I like that even better - so a tiny bit of code goes at the bottom of likely suspect pages, and dpl constructs the list of pages with that code wherever we feel like putting it? That might belong in the useful links box. Now, since I know you can do anything you want with dpl, would it make sense to have some sort of timing/dating function as well? So we know how often to look at things? Or about a keyword of some sort that simple shows up on the main list? Hmmm. One example I keep thinking of are people who might die (any of the living), but I realize that's silly, it's only one article that would need updating and people would catch it. The big candidates are of course things that we are reporting on mid-cycle, like the election stuff, which also has the issue of requiring changes in quite a few places. If you sandbox the dpl idea somewhere can you put a link here so we can come over and
complain it isn't painted the right colorconstructively comment on it? ħuman 20:40, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- I'm not up to it @ the moment, sorry. (Crumpets) and butter 20:42, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- No rush, sorry if I made it sound like we needed it up and running in three hours ;)ħuman 21:13, 20 January 2009 (EST)
- WP does have a template that states that an article "reflects current events", something similar would work. In principle, EVERY article could be affected. Any page on CP Sysops would have to be totally rewritten if one came out as a parodist. Articles on websites would need to be changed if the website closed down. ArmondikoVgnostic 06:49, 21 January 2009 (EST)
- No rush, sorry if I made it sound like we needed it up and running in three hours ;)ħuman
- I'm not up to it @ the moment, sorry.
- I like that even better - so a tiny bit of code goes at the bottom of likely suspect pages, and dpl constructs the list of pages with that code wherever we feel like putting it? That might belong in the useful links box. Now, since I know you can do anything you want with dpl, would it make sense to have some sort of timing/dating function as well? So we know how often to look at things? Or about a keyword of some sort that simple shows up on the main list? Hmmm. One example I keep thinking of are people who might die (any of the living), but I realize that's silly, it's only one article that would need updating and people would catch it. The big candidates are of course things that we are reporting on mid-cycle, like the election stuff, which also has the issue of requiring changes in quite a few places. If you sandbox the dpl idea somewhere can you put a link here so we can come over and
- Instead of an actual visible cat; could put an invisible (style= "color:white") word that wouldn't naturally occur such "currentupdate" on each such page & then just search for that text or even have a special page that picks out pages using dpl like the helpnav template does by having such a keyword on it like: "{{keyword|updatekey = Barack}}" you could have a different keyname for various things.
- That's not a bad idea... although I'm not sure the name will work well? How about something along the lines of "update", with the reason for the cat listed on its page? "Frequently changes"? I dunno, but, yeah, a single cat alone would do it nicely. ħuman
- I think a "current affairs" category, for people or issues that are often in the news, could be useful for keeping tabs on these things & updating when things change. Щєазєюіδ
- I don't know how easily this one could be automated, but it does show a weakness we sometimes fall into, which is writing in the present tense (at times). It makes a lot of places where we need to update as time passes, but of course, we don't know where to look. Of course, some of these "updates" are just reality intruding on things we write about. Major events like changes of administration at least are noticeable, hopefully we'll get it all sorted. But lesser things can lapse into anachronism if carelessly written. Maybe we should use a little catting template for things we know will need updating? One that only leaves, say, a small asterisk in the text, but adds a category like "this will likely need updating", and a defsort for that cat by, say, month/year of the expected updating? ħuman
(undent) While it's true that many things can change, most of them are unique (affect only one or a couple of articles), and would also be on our radar - if a CP sysop "came out" we'd catch it and update. Websites going down are a bit trickier, it might take a while for us to notice and fix an article or ELs. At the other end of the scale was the election/change of administration, which is probably going to affect scores, perhaps even hundred, of articles. People have been fixing some things up, and we'll probably get them all in the end, but it would be nice to have a "master list". I guess just checking the "politicians" category would be a good start, of course. For instance, I already confirmed ;) Clinton as Sec'ty of State, and kicked her out of the Senate, and did something similar with someone else (who?).
Anyway, I think the key is to figure out how "low" on that range of thresholds we want to go. Can someone make a nice bullet list of potential reasons we'd have to change articles, from "most likely to be simple" to "most complex to deal with" so we can decide where to draw the line? ħuman 15:41, 21 January 2009 (EST)
If pages requiring watching had an invisible flag on them (I've used "Template:Dummy and Template:Dummy2 in the examples below) then a page like this could be created which would be a list of them. The titles could be something like T (Time Sensitive ) +: TS Political (US); TS Political (UK); TS Political ...etc; TS Creation Museum; TS Living Person; etc. etc. . Note: The flag templates could all be identical except for the title although some existing template could be used (WP's Biography of Living Person comes to mind)
This:
- <div style = "display:none">1</div>
- is the entire content of Template:Dummy (the "1" could be replaced by anything "& nbsp;" would be favourite)
| Dummy pages for RationalWiki | ||
|---|---|---|
| Dummy2 pages for RationalWiki | ||
|---|---|---|
- These examples could be replaced by Templates like:
- {{AttentionFlag (referring to the master template -at present "User:Toast/CNB")
- | Title = (any suitable title)
- |list = <dpl>
- uses = Template:dummy (replacing with appropriate name)
- shownamespace = false</dpl>
- }}
Note The (dummy) templates would have no effect on the article as they have style = "display=none" in them.
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Cool... How about just one template, with a handful of options for a parameter? Like {{TS|US politics (or just US?)}}, {{TS|person}}, that sort of thing? (Then perhaps we could have a really cool magic page where you pick which list you want to see from a drop-down box?) ħuman 22:05, 21 January 2009 (EST)
- Thinking ... (Toast) and marmalade 22:13, 21 January 2009 (EST)
- Thought. It depends on the actual Template name, not its parameter. So that, as it stands, is a no-no.
- Still thinking ... (Toast) and marmalade 11:14, 23 January 2009 (EST)