Talk:Social class

Socialists have a vested interest in perpetuating class divisions?

This is among the dumbest things I've heard today. Like police forces have an interest in promoting crime, & charities have a vested interest in maintaining poverty. Whatever. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I see what it means: they're working themselves out of a job, so to speak. It is a silly point though. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 18:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

An inconvenient point, I should say. Not an insignificant one, either; this fact is likely the reason we have seen a continuous streak of new "class systems" being hypothesized as the old line between manual laborers and others has blurred. ListenerX^TalkerX 18:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not a "fact" - it's an interpretation, & a particularly wacky one. They're only "working themselves out of a job" in the same sense that people who research towards a cure for AIDS or cancer are. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Those researchers could move on to other fields easily, but the socialist politician, who unlike the researcher is required to believe in (or pretend to believe in) socialism heart and soul, would likely have a difficult time of moving into a non-political field, or a non-class-based political one. ListenerX^TalkerX 18:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Come on. Politicians tend to be educated and wealthy, and they know all the right people. --Swedmann (talk) 19:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

So when you say that socialist politicians "pretend to believe in socialism" and have interests seeing class differences remain, are you basing that on anything other than fractured logic & your own prejudices? Like any evidence for this "fact"? ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is it not a fact that if the class system were to vanish tomorrow, socialist politicians' jobs (with attendant pay) would be finished?

I was only noting the practical requirements for a socialist politician, rather than impugning the sincerity of any actual such politician (though, let us face it, most politicians would fake belief in anything if it raised their poll-numbers). ListenerX^TalkerX 19:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what kind of politicians or what kind of socialists you're talking about. The classical Marxist position is that government will eventually dismantle itself, or rather "wither away", once all economic divisions have been abolished & a society with thorough equality has been established - i.e. the socialist politicians' intention in this schema is to eventually do themselves out of a job, but this a very long-term process. Most modern real world politicians accept that that kind of utopia is never quite going to be achieved, & certainly not in the short term, but they work towards improving what they can. Just like any police force must know that it will never totally stamp out crime, but it works to reduce it as much as it can. To suggest that people have a vested interest in maintaining the problems they work to resolve just because it's their job to keep working on those problems is ridiculous. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Monsters and class

I came across this somewhere:

Vampires are upper class.

Jekell and Hyde, werewolves - middle class

Zombies - working class (the undifferentiated masses).

And this is why vampires and zombies are rarely found in the same story.

How can other 'groups of persons' be classified? 31.51.113.102 (talk) 23:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Even discussing this is a masquerade violation. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't this schema make feudalists ghosts? And how would aliens fit in? Wait, shoot, is Kingdom Hearts communist propaganda? Cause all the nobodies were upper class.70.214.107.244 (talk) krashlia

...is that you, nobs? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)