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Copied from "Speak unto the Almighty Glowing Cracker":

By the way, Human: for someone who opposes the implementation of enforced rules, you seem all to willing to make up your own rules and brutally force them on other people. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:19, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Why do you persist in this meaningless pissing contest? To what rules, which I "brutally enforce", do you refer? ħuman 01:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)

I refer to your forced sysopping of Cayce Pollard. Wherein, you made up your own rule (that non-vandal users must be sysopped, even if they don't want it), and brutally forced it upon another person (Cayce Pollard, who explicitly stated they didn't want to be a sysop), who then left the site because of you. It was clear to me that you really didn't give a shit about their feelings. Adding insult to injury, you, bizarrely, blamed the problem on Cayce, diagnosing her with "issues". (Human—closet authoritarian and psychologist to boot!) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Wow, dig back as far as you can? And call names, blame me for someone leaving... Whooee. Please forgive me, but go fuck yourself, "Almighty Glowing Cracker". ħuman 02:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)

(1) RationalWiki is almost twenty months old. Three-and-a-half months ago is not that far back. (Nor is it as far back as I can go.) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:25, 12 February 2009 (EST)

(2) As for "calling you names", I think that your actions on Cayce do qualify as "authoritarian"—how else would you describe it? You had power (the power to demote/promote other people) and you used it to enforce your own arbitrary rule to the detriment of another person. Concerning my sarcastically calling you a "psychologist", remember that you did ascribe emotional problems to Cayce that I doubt even an actual psychologist would have trouble diagnosing, what with only 4 sentence-long posts and a template to go off of. Yet you presumed to know her well enough to say that the reason she left was because of "issues".

Rereading that post again, I am struck that at the end you idly speculate that "Maybe they just got bored of us anyway?". So, after callously disregarding Cayce's feelings and thoughtlessly forcing your arbitrary rule upon them, you had the nerve to say what amounts to "maybe they would've left anyway". How much shit were you willing to make up to justify your actions? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:25, 12 February 2009 (EST)

(3) I also find it bemusing that you use the word "blame", as if I was wrongly accusing you of something. Unfortunately, as is clear to anyone who reads the talk page, Cayce left as a direct result of your actions. In other words, it's your fault. Suck it up and quit pretending otherwise. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:25, 12 February 2009 (EST)

(4) Is that all you can think to say—"Go fuck yourself"? What I described was a gross injustice (by wiki standards), yet you don't even try to defend your actions. You can't even own up and apologize for it. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:25, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Does any of this matter right now? Cayce Pollard isn't a good example of anything: it was SusanG, who obviously had a few issues with site authority at the time, having already "left" shortly before. I don't think a genuine new user would have reacted the same way she did. But the whole thing should be ancient history by now, to everybody involved. We now have a clause in the Community Standards that users can ask not to be sysoped, so the situation shouldn't come up again. What good is stirring up the past? Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 10:13, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Cayce Pollard was SusanG? That... certainly does explain a lot. (*sheepishly* I really need to work on my ability to "read" people...) However, my argument still stands: Human was an incredible ass about the whole thing.

Regarding the use of "stirring up the past"... there isn't one. But I am very, very bitter, and no amount of advice to "get over it" is going to remedy that. I have witnessed what to me are many injustices (the Cayce Pollard incident is but one) and I refuse to let them go—injustice should not fade with time, especially when those who participated in it are still here, and have not changed all that much. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:14, 12 February 2009 (EST)

My original point (which I unfortunately drowned in bitterness) was that Human often utilizes his own interpretation of the rules (as so many of us do—the sometimes vague nature of the community standards almost guarantees that everyone have their own interpretation), but then assumes his personal interpretation is a site-wide standard. This was the thrust of my post that touched this discussion off: that Human considers the idea of rules to be a big joke (judging from his not-so-subtle sarcastic comments), yet he has no problem criticizing other people for not following his interpretation of them. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:14, 12 February 2009 (EST)

To address Human's original criticism—that it was unwise of me to sysop CUR, because he was not "mostly harmless"—: This is your own interpretation—that CUR being a pest disqualifies him as "mostly harmless". Yet my interpretation of "mostly harmless" is strictly technical: will a potential sysop vaporize half the site, or block a bunch of non-vandal non-sysops? (Blocking sysops is, at worst, an annoyance. And as I recall, he stopped blocking them when he was asked to stop.) Thus, I concluded CUR to be no more harmful as a sysop than he is as a non-sysop, and accordingly demoted him. I continue to hold that there was nothing wrong with doing so. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:14, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Eh. Guys? Do you think you could cease pissing your own little catfight all over the wiki? A) RA - no-one cares; B) Human - no one cares; C) you're both bored because of the boycott. Yet another reason to cancel the boycott. D) RA - I thought the idea was that you were going to do your homework and stay off the internet, in an attempt to avoid having your internet machine access cut off by your parents? It might be wise to avoid petty little squabbles like this in that interest; E) No-one cares; F) At the very least, duke it out, but please don't use the Intercom to draw bored boycotting users into it. DogP 23:57, 12 February 2009 (EST)