Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

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Sid

Sidney Pollack just died. Too bad. He did some good stuff. Think Andy will finagle a way to blame it on Hollywood Values? DickTurpis 22:23, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

No, he'll just imply that he's in hell now, peppering his words with 'we'll pray for his family' and 'godspeed.' Czolgolz 01:21, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Aw, and here I thought somebody had sent me my very own "T0 gentleman at another site" shout-out. And if I'm looking at a non-vandalized version of the WP article, he died of cancer, so Andy might try to fit it into the "Hollywood Values cause cancer" theme. --Sid 07:56, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Double standards?

I wish you could put {fact} tags on editorial comments, like this one Bondurant 08:02, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I started to comment on this but thought "Oh what the F*** - It's just CP's Double(triple? quadruple?) standard again."   ^Contribs_Talk 08:07, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Interesting case of "He does the right thing for the wrong reason" - should we cheer or should we protest? --Sid 08:34, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

That Homeschool Video

I'm late to this (bandwidth stopped me watching the vid) but how is that video homeschooling? He's got a respectabl are) e sized class there. Surely that's a "private school". Isn't there legislation - or something? If this was an extracurricular club then OK but it's apparently how they are full time. Something's rotten in the state of NJ.   ^Contribs_Talk 10:32, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Susan like all liberals, you are guilty of taking things too literally. I am 97.68% certain that you believe that "Hollywood" is a an actual location on a map, too. Srsly, though- the difference between what you see and a private school is that Andy teaches a history class (as a historian, I'm appalled...) to kids who get schooled outside of formal institutions, public or private - there's little chance that any kid's parents could expert themselves up enough to teach everything at a Grade 10-11-12 level, so they'll pick and choose tutors in group and individual settings...PFoster 10:39, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Exactly (the only thing scarier than Andy teaching history is being taught by a parent with Andy's views but without any knowledge of history at all; it seems Andy has at least some, warped view it may be). Now what makes you say these kids are full time? I think Andy is only teaching them a world history class, surely that's not 6 hours a day 5 days a week? I think these kids are taught at home, but come together for this class, I'm guessing for a few hours a couple times a week or something? I don't know. We could ask Andy; it seems to be one of those things he likes to talk about. Or Fuzzy must know. Fuzzy? DickTurpis 10:45, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

When does a "group become a school?  ^Contribs_Talk 10:47, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

1. When all the kids get all the schooling in the same setting from the same staff of educators. 2. and this is key to understanding homeschooling (an aside: you see Andy, some of us are very much willing to engage with some of your ideas on your terms...) When the school, and not the parents, has the last word on curriculum and other related questions...PFoster 10:50, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I see (I think). Andy's (or his minions are) apparently teaching about the evils of homosexuality and also (?) science. We know his maths is dodgy so who's teaching that? Is that done in a group? Seems like a dispersed school to me. I suppose that without knowing what each of the 'pupils' curriculum is, we can't answer.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:01, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

We know his maths is dodgy so who's teaching that? "Maths". That's sooo cute. Well, if a particular kid has a mother who's an engineer, she might teach that kid math at home - maybe along with a few others (I've seen that sort of thing happen) - or maybe some of them from the same group go see some other tutor for math. I gotta say, as much as the content of this particular homeschool crowd's education troubles me politically, the concept has a lot of appeal - if I had a kid, I would be tempted to explore something along these lines - with a worldview which I believed in underpinning it, of course...PFoster 11:13, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

For cute read British!(last person who called me cute is still in traction!) If I had the knowledge & the friends/aquaintances with the ability or the money to buy them then I'd prefer to self educate too, but what I'd wind up doing is starting my own school and expect to be regulated as much as any other.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:24, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

What? He teaches for two hours once a week and it lasts just as long as a normal semester. This past semester he taught writing, next semester he's going to teach US History. Is that all you wanted to know? =-= Candlewick 12:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

You know that doesn't really surprise me. So he doesn't have a real job to speak of, just putting a good face on a bunch of quacks at AAPS and putting in less hours a week than I spend in the bathroom actually teaching. Of course, his user page brags about all those former students who went on to college (to consort with Liberals and earring-wearers, horrors!) as if he was their main source of education. Some might call it deceit. --Kels 12:53, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, that's basically what I wanted to know. Thanks. I was going to say 2 hours once a week seems really brief, but I guess it's not all that much less than kids in school get (I'm thinking about 40 minute classes 5 days a week means 200 minutes rather than 120, but there's more than just quantity). I guess the kids might be getting a half decent education, in some manner. If the exams he's posted at CP are for that class, and if they're reflective of what he teaches, then most of it seems to be rather straightforward stuff, much like you'd get at a public school, actually. I think there were only 2 or so questions out of 50 that actually had an anti-liberal bent (I'm thinking of his US government class here). I don't recall for sure. I remember I got almost all the questions right without having taken the class, but I'm not high school/junior high student, and I'm pretty well informed about US government and politics. I have a feeling his actual lessons in class contain a lot more commentary on the evils of liberals, however. His Supreme Court class (the one which since September is said to be starting any day now) seems to have anti-liberalism as it's raison d'etre, and I imagine any students in that class, should it ever start, will be getting an even more warped view of the world. I was going to say a writing class sounds rather innocuous, then I remembered some of his writing assignments ("Liberals are evil subhumans who should be shipped in cattle cars to camps. Here's why..."). DickTurpis 13:26, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, it is interesting that the least "politicizable" course (writting) is the one with the most politicized questions. On the other hand the Supreme Court course lectures don't seem too nice: "How did our country go from being the world leader to a nation with more metal detectors than Bibles in our schools, some of the highest taxes in the world, and an ambiguous definition of marriage? Liberal judges, and particularly the Warren Court (1953-1969) but continuing until the present, are responsible for our transformation from moral and economic leadership to widespread despair, particularly among our youth." First paragraph of first lecture. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 13:48, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

So, that "schoolroom" is used for two hours a week? Or do other non-teachers take over when Schlafly (who's name be praised) isn't there. If they do then it's a school, if they don't then it's a waste.   ^Contribs_Talk 13:52, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure it's used for something. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a church basement or something. The actual building its in has little significance. DickTurpis 14:00, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I second the church basement (or affiliated building). It's almost a certainty, really. ħuman 15:22, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

PJR (Again)

PJR mainpages "Another teacher sacked for briefly telling his students about Intelligent Design tells his story[1]". Shouldn't the question be " What was the school doing allowing an unqualified musician to take a science class?   ^Contribs_Talk 12:16, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, he was only supposed to be supervising the class in the original teacher's absence while showing a science video. Hardly anything unusual in that. Ajkgordon 12:22, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

And even aside from that, teachers are often assigned classes outside their areas of expertise, especially in the lower grades.--WJThomas 12:33, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Are they? Times change!   ^Contribs_Talk 12:35, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

My favorite part of the article, by the way, was the writer's mention that the fella who did the suspending was "an earring-adorned young man". We all know what that means, eh? They're everywhere--and they'll stop at nothing!--WJThomas 12:33, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Those gays and thier gaygenda are trying to ruin it for everyone. ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 12:40, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

"two-day assignment in a middle school science class" "Just showing a video"; "lower grades"?   ^Contribs_Talk 12:39, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

What's your point?--WJThomas 15:17, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

My point(s) are 1) Some video that takes 2 days; 2) Dunno about the US, but when I was at school in the UK we didn't ever get a part time music teacher taking over a science class. It might be different now - I'm probably living in the past.   ^Contribs_Talk 15:26, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

1) A two-hour movie, a one-hour class = two days 2) Yep, music teachers sometimes have to teach science class. Goes a long way towards explaining crap like Conservapedia, don't it?--WJThomas 16:11, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

How sad is it that whenever I see something posted on the front page over there, I immediately reach for Google to find out what actually happened? --Kels 12:50, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

And then PJR confounds my anticipations by censoring Conservative.   ^Contribs_Talk 13:03, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Substitutes were often "teaching students" in my day (70's). They knew "classroom basics", but mostly either led a pre-arranged lesson plan or showed a movie or told the kids to read something. Longer terms subs would be closer to a specialty. And in the lower grades specialization matters a whole lot less. ħuman 15:24, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

A challenge to Kenservative

Ok sissy boy. You are a dishonest self-promoting, self congratulating coward someone with whom I have substantive disagreements with regards to world view.! I'm calling you out! Don't be such a baby. Stop hiding behind your daddy's leg. Stop relying on the power to block to win arguments. You want to debate your silly muddled world view? Do it here. Tit for tat style! We promise we won't block you and will respond to every ridiculous thing that dribbles out of your cake hole you say. Scared, Kenny-Ken-Conservative? It's OK to be scared . . . but it does make you the coward. ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 13:57, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I see poor Rtum got himself a 1-day block for calling out Ken, so I guess his lies and deciet are the official position of CP. Nice to see it so well labled, I guess. --Kels 14:15, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Ack, WIGO'D!! --Kels 14:16, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

heh!   ^Contribs_Talk 14:20, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I'll go one better than that Ken, my good man. You come over here and debate and we'lleven police to make sure noone resorts to Ad Hominem Attacks (By that I mean actual Ad Hom, not "He beat me, it must be Ad Hom) Come on over, we'll be glad to take you on. SirChuckB^{I have very poor judgement} 14:27, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I hadn't questioned it earlier but what has Micheál Martin got to do with atheism? Could it be that he means Michael Martin?   ^Contribs_Talk 14:30, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

What's the Speaker of the House of Commons got to do with atheism? Let's see... he's a dishonest expenses claimant (hypocrisy alert: so am I, for the occasional workday meal - but at least I'm not claiming an mortgage expense for a home I already own.), so by extension, that makes him a deceitful liberal. And, I suppose, by extension, an atheist, since religious people would never ever lie. Bondurant 15:15, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, Kenny-boy seems to indicate he may be willing to debate us here if we delete Summa Homosexualita. Ironic, isn't it? I mean, you wrote the damn thing, we just linked to it and gave it a title. Anyway, my dear fellow, suffice to say we are not going to give in to your demands; that article has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If you need an excuse to back out, pick a legitimate one. Or better yet, enough with the charades, go ahead and do it or admit you're willing to. DickTurpis 15:28, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Come to think of it, do we really want to "debate" Ken here? We don't ask retarded 8 year olds to debate, why make this exception? A rational debate would be fine, but all we're going to get from Ken is "king me biatch!" DickTurpis 15:41, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Guys I'm worried about Ken. have you read his "fly in the ointment" post? He's sounding genuinly deranged, like some guy you meet on a bus late at night mumbling about atheism and how someone stole his shoes. He's just banging on and on and on and on about his fucking rubbish article. Ken, you're aticle is fucking rubbish. RedDog 15:58, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Fun fact: Googling for "Summa Homosexualita" directly leads people to RW. Thanks, Conservative! You keep hurting CP and send more and more people to RW! :D

Also, I thought only people like the Chinese government encouraged self-censorship. Interesting to see Conservative trying to make people "earn" the right to debate him by telling them to arbitrarily delete anything he doesn't like. --Sid 15:59, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Taking a page out of his "Gentlemen at another website" book, we should make a special "Conservapedia:Comments for Conservative" page. People could come here and write comments and messages to Conservative with no fear of having them deleted. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I think debating PJR could be an interesting and rewarding experience, but Ken? Even at CP they don't take him seriously; he's a little puppy dog that yips and nips at people's heels and they do their best to ignore him. He has nothing to add to any debate. I'm willing to take part, but to have to beg him and earn the right? Fuck that. I'll tell you what Ken, I'll personally delete Summa Homosexualita (do you even know what that is a reference to? I'm sure you don't) if you delete every article on CP that starts with the word "Liberal". DickTurpis 16:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Summa Homosexualita? Oh, yeah. I gotta update that, thanks for the reminder Ken! NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 16:37, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Regarding reguards

I wonder how many times Conservative uses reguards and reguarding in his addressing to the masses? Perhaps we should chart it?--TimS 13:59, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

I have often wondered that myself. All one has to do to parody his writing is use "regards" twice in every other sentence. Another broader issue that I have noticed are the words and phrases that will never be the same for me when I encounter them: Trustworthy, Godspeed, "As regards to" (which I now consider bad writing by association!), and probably a couple more. Well, there's Goat, of course, but that's different ;) ħuman 15:28, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

The sheer rigidity of his constructions is what gets me. That, and the monstrous adverbial clauses he often kicks his sentences off with. It all seems to get plugged in to the same godawful framework every fucking time. I've never seen writing like it. --Robledo 15:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

In regards to Conservative and Human's reply, Sid wrote thaDFJSLDKAJL*HEADDESK* Yesssssss, those phrases have been ruined forever for me, too. Godspeed! You're clueless! Trustworthy! Bias! Values! *shoots self in the face* --Sid 16:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Help! Help!

Somebody please archive me. TWIGO 14:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Who the heck is "Franklin"?

From the article Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al FRANKEN:

It is ironic that Franklin, while trying to sell a book that shows that conservatives are misleading and uses some form of the word lying three times in the title, would blatantly lie to try to promote it.

Friggin idiots! --Jdellaro 15:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Now, now. That's unfair. It's just one friggin idiot: Learn Together, and he's at least consistent: First time and second time in that article. Come to think of it, didn't they make a huuuuge fuss about some "Expelled" reviewer getting a name wrong? --Sid 16:02, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Shouty and Stupid

Is it just me or is CP exceptionally shouty and stupid at the moment? RedDog 16:41, 27 May 2008 (EDT)