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ides

You saw the message about the viral extension I left a GK's talk? Sterile^xx 20:20, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I did. I'm in the middle of beta testing Phase 3 myself, but also making sure these functions enhance each other when crossing paths. It's a bit tricky, I wouldn't mind some help over there. human 20:23, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Darn. I'll take off the extension for the evening... I'll have to reload in the morning. Still, the subtly of what we have amazes me. They won't notice for days. Sterile^xx 20:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

No, leave it on. It's easier for me to tweak my end, after all the work you did getting it right. human 20:33, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

One hopes you aren't doing anything illegal, what with your running around secretively muttering technical-talk. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:25, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Why, you gonna call the Fibonaccian Bozotros Institute on me? Of course I'm not doing anything "illegal". :) human 21:38, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

RE: Phase 4. DarthNader and his crew require up to 50 stooge PCs for a dry run on Sunday. You don't need to do anything except visit a URL and leave your PC on. I have personally been able to commit 10 computers (including some neighbour's PC's whom I'm fixing) but need help with the remainder. How many can you provide for the test? On the day they will use zombies. Also I think we should change the code name to Botulinus - its appropriate on so many levels. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 05:09, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm good for 3, 4 if my old laptop works still. Do they each need to get behind a different IP, or will they work from the same one? I'll see if I can scuttle up a few more, too. I agree on the code name. human 12:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Being on the same connecion is not a problem as they use IP spoofing anyway. I've got most of mine connected to an 8-port router with the rest on wifi. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 12:32, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Cool, just keep me up to date on the timing & url in the other place. human 12:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I can bring about 100 systems online from various installations I've done over the years. I can ssh tunnel them through the main rig and we can handle the port allocs easily enough that way. DogP 13:38, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the help on that. Can you get on the hidden namespace at the moment? It seems to be locked for our timezone. We need to get D-hour sorted so that everything is synched. I propose it be GMT on the 16th so can we please get an agreement on the actual hour so everyone is singing from the same hymn-sheet? Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 06:55, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Guys, guys, I think we're all becoming just a touch too open in these discussions. I know I'm equally to blame. Let's revert to email or Forum 3 if we're gonna chat like this. RA's little 'open letter' business has done us in a little, I fear. Anyway, last note - that test worked just fine, btw. Over and out. DogP 14:36, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes, and agreed, and perhaps, and that's good to hear! human 14:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Ransom

Make me Ides. See here for details.^{— Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs} 13:36, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't that be "make me Ides, please"? Sheesh! No, not Sheesh!... human 13:39, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

What I lack in courtesy I make up for with a surfeit of gold. Precious dwarven gold.^{— Unsigned, by: 85.25.151.22 / talk / contribs} 13:40, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for culling my luls. Sigh.^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 20:54, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

You're quite welcome ;). I liked the randomly generated link pipe text though! That was teh funny. human 20:57, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

They were definitely funnier than the "I'm not AmesG" links. Maybe we should have a "liberal pipe-cleaners" article.^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 21:02, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Have you added the "rndnum" template to our template list yet? (Like it, btw) human 22:17, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

We have a template list??? Also, I can't really think of a use for rndnum beyond my self-centred signature stuff...^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 22:20, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, sorry I provided no link. Click on "help" in the upper left, and find the link to "template list" or some such. Then add it and describe it. Goatspeed! human 22:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

ides - Doubts

Having now found out what this is about I feel that it is appropriate to make my misgivings public. Some will already know my feelings about this. I am sorry about the public posting, but as there has been so much other public comment I felt it best to be in the open about this. I have two objections.

• We are discussing a nuclear option here, the consequences of which will probably be severe and far-ranging. Are we really prepared to do this and have we thought through the consequences? The procedure we are envisioning will be nothing short of devastating, and I am not sure I want a part in it.
• I am not at all sure about our new "allies". Although the seem to have been helpful (indeed surprisingly helpful) with the coding I, for one, don't trust them - and I don't mind saying so. Once they have control of so much information and access to so many passwords will they really just shrug and walk away. Somehow I don't think so.

So I make this public request that we think again before the process goes too far. --Bob^{bing up} 09:04, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

You make a good point, but the most damage that is likely to occur would be about 2/3 of teh innertubes being permanently deleted. After the fire the burned ground will spring afresh with life, I'm sure... human 19:42, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I fear you do not take my objection seriously.--Bob^{bing up} 07:00, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't that be the nucular option? Either way, I just want to know how big the BOOM is going to be? --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 15:09, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Loud enough to be heard in space... the aliens are lining up for front row seats! human 15:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Hi

Where the hell is everyone else today? This is/was Saturday! The day before I realize I have a lot to finish before Monday!

Refreshing the recent changes brought me no joy. :(

Um. So what are you up to. Uchiha^KATON! 00:13, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Wait, I see excitement not far above! I will leave it to the techie type people and await exciting results impatiently. Uchiha^KATON! 00:15, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Just came in after a nice little campfire... Oh, SNL news, the only part of the show that *doesn't suck*! Then I will make me an omelet, and enjoy food... what's up with you? human 00:18, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I am up late not studying for exams and seeking out new and exciting thrills on the interbutts.

Actually that's a lie, I'm just looking for recent and somewhat-interesting thrills on all my usual hangouts. "Ides" looked promising, but confidential. Hmm. Uchiha^KATON! 00:23, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I also blocked a wandal a few minutes ago... I feel I should ask, do you think one day was excessive? He was, after all, linking to repulsive and disturbing content. I just figured since nobody else was on, it might be necessary to fix it such that it remains fixed until other janitors come back to help clean up as well. He was mildly amusing, so his block can be shortened if anyone cares. Uchiha^KATON! 01:54, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Did you undo the wandalism? A day is a bit longer than we usually bother with, since an hour usually sends them away to other pastures. However, I would have no problem with one day. What I like, is when I look at our block list, that it fits on one screen... People tend to block for different time lengths, sometimes based on their experience, and sometimes based on the travesty the wandal is presenting to us. I'm sure you did fine. human 02:08, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Fox

You know, we already had a Headless Chicken Hour over this like twelve hours ago. Why bother reviving it now? Yes, dropping Nazi bombs ain't cool, but I think letting sleeping dogs lie may be a better call sometimes. (for the record, I blocked and unblocked Fox when this all went down.)PFoster 00:31, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah... calling someone a Nazi is just "ok". Sorry, my trigger was late - because I spent some time thinking about it. It's not OK to call another editor a "Nazi" with no reasonable provocation (Gee, did the editor call for the extermination of the Jews? For the rise of the 4th Reich? No!!!). I called this one as I seed it. Fox was an ASSHOLE in this case, and deserves to get woken the fuck up. My block will most likely lapse by the time he awakes, but it should be on his record.

PS - what are your terms, degrees of talk, etc., by which you would call another editor a "Nazi"? If you want to absolve Fox, you really have to answer that question. I blocked him for just cause, in my opinion, and gently, considering the time of night. human 01:02, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Now I HAVE to answer questions? Is that like last week when when Karajou told somebody - "You are going to answer that question whether you like it or not" ? And don't put words in my mouth - that's you being a bit of a jerk. I NEVER said it was "just ok" to call someone a Nazi. Okay then: my terms for calling someone a "Nazi" - I probably would not unless they were acknowledged, card-carrying members of some sort of white-supremacist/anti-semetic/racist group. It's not a word I throw around lightly. Other people have different standards, all the way down to folks who use the term "grammar Nazi." Fox was verbally abusive and obnoxious (he even told me to "fuck off) - but he also recently made an argument-not one I agree with, but one that I can at least understand - as to why his use of the term "Nazi" was warranted.I disagree wwith him, but I at least see where he was coming from. But the important thing to me - and others can tell me if they agree or not - is that I found it Karajou-esque for an admin to go digging through the edit histories and deal out a big block to a regular editor (not a bonehead vandal) the day after the offence happened, after a spot of HCM, after people had started to make a few tentative steps toward trying to patch things up a bit. Peace. PFoster 11:44, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, it's all history now. I see he was unblocked after about 4 hours, which is fine, of course (I probably should have set the block at 3-5 hours or so, my intent was for it to be over by the time Fox was in daylight again, and the nine or so hours overshot that mark). The reason for my delay was to let it get resolved with all parties being able to edit (one problem with "HCM" is disputes getting hung up while some editors can't comment). Had he apologized, say, a few hours later, it certainly would have been a non-issue, we all sometimes say things that are over the top. Realizing that and admitting it is usually all it takes for feathers to become unruffled again. I didn't go digging through histories, by the way, I had simply kept the tab open to see how it worked out. Hopefully all is well by now. human 14:19, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

And I'm sorry for comparing you to Karajou. I'd rather be called a Nazi. PFoster 15:13, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Unblocking Fox

I've unblocked Fox (after 4 hours, 20 minutes) on the basis that 8-9 hours is a bit too long by our standards, plus the thing seems to have died out by now. Re-block him if you disagree. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 04:35, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

See above, I am fine with that. I should have set it at just a few hours anyway, I didn't want him to actually be prevented from editing. Just wanted to "put it on his record", as it were, without interfering in any dialog. human 14:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

More nefariousness

Hey, is it possible you could rename me so that my name has actual dots where there should be dots in an IP address? Right now it just doesn't look quite right, and it wouldn't let me put them in to start with (bad wiki, bad).^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 14:31, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I could try, although much wiki-breakage might occur (a dot might not be a legal character in a user name, or worse yet cause whackly parsing issues?). Also, if I might editorialize, the spaces make it easy to remember that you are you - the joke still works, I think. As far as the first thing I said, it is likely that "user:85.25.151.22" is reserved for direct editing by that IP address - how could the software tell the difference? Let me ask around, I might talk to Trent soon, if I remember I'll ask if it will work. I'd prefer to know one way or another first, rather than making a mess that has to be cleaned up on the server (and potentially screwing up your ability to edit until it's fixed). Okay? human 14:39, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, that's fine by me. Don't try anything that might screw up the software on my account! It's cool the way it is -- esp with my new sig.^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 14:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Yup, that sig is tight. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to come up with it, so that makes you special ;) human 14:54, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I suppose it would be churlish not to agree with you...^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 14:58, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Questions

I have some questions that need answering, Human. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:38, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Apparently you have been Radio Shacked, so no further comment is necessary? human 12:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I lobbied so hard to use the term "Fully Equipped" instead of "Radio Shacked", but you all went, "Noooo, let's make the code phrases even more byzantine." It's not like CPians are bright enough to crack any code we use, anyways. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 12:26, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Fuelled/fueled

I thought we were okay with using the Correct and Proper as God Intended British Spelling here..._{Not really a big deal, I just didn't want y'all to think I was an eee-literate Democrat voter...} PFoster 11:40, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I see. I picked Amlish for my FF speilchucker. We as a site are fine with using Commlish, Britlish, Amlish, etc., though we try not to mix them, unless very intentionally. All I would say is that Aschlafly is an American, so we should use Amlish on his article (whereas, say, an article about a British person or topic should be written in Comlish). human 11:54, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I vote we all shift to Latin—there's no beating a dead language for consistency. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 12:05, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

But then we won't be able to capitalischze "Bible"!!! human 12:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

You stupid fuel! Rational Ed^perception 14:45, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Hey, er, fuel me once, fuel on me (don't light that match!), fuel me twice, er, won't get fuellled agin! human 14:47, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

The term 'Nazi'

When the term 'Nazi' is used in anger rather than in jest (like 'soup Nazi') it should be reserved for use against those who advocate genocide, or, at the very least, depriving an entire group of all their civil rights and confining them to a ghetto. It is not synonymous with the words "racist" "anti-semitic" or ""bigot". I'm not sure where it stands in relation to the term "fascist". I'd like to see Rationalwiki take a firm stance against innappropriate use of either term by users against other users unless there is clear evidence that the term is actually justified. Throwing either term around casually is an insult to the victims of the Holocaust, I don't see that as a joke. Rational Ed^{better living through chemistry} 15:31, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, that's what I thought I did... btw, I think it's worse than "fascist" - for instance, I think the GWB admin comes very close to fascism, but they certainly aren't Nazis. A bit racist, probably, but not to Nazi levels. human 15:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Do either of you actually know what Nazism is? SHahB 15:58, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, National Socialism as practiced in Germany in the 30's and 40's. Now it is synonymous with the aggressive invasion of other nations and horrendous genocide along the way, and usually a nasty dose of anti-Semitism. Why do you ask? human 16:00, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Shabby, your ignorance is only surpassed by your immaturity. Rational Ed^think! 16:12, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Lol, PoorEd. The irony is hilarious. SHahB 00:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Angband

He wanted potentially identifying information to his person removed from his talk page, especially since he's interested in getting involved in the whole anti-MP thing. Since it's quite a way down in the history, I couldn't get rid of it without getting rid of quite a bit of other stuff. Is there an issue with that? --מְתֻרְגְּמָן ^{שְׁלֹום}

Yeah, we don't like to blank the history. There is a problem, since there is a simple solution to his having IDed himself - he could have simply created another user name, either abandoning Angband or maintaining it as a puppet. Having done it once, do we do it again? How much are we willing to "hide" permanently this way? And how are you going to corrdinate people's comments when you start the same conversation in several places at once? human 17:30, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

re:Banning AmesG

I agree with your idea to ban Ames 100%. SHahB 00:09, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

We should ban user:Oscar. Do you know what he's calling himself these days??^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 00:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

User:Oscar (notorious user that he is) now edits under the name User:Radioactive afikomen. SHahB 00:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

I couldn't agree more with the proposal to ban User:SHahB. Pinto's5150 ^Talk 01:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Make me a sysop!^{— Unsigned, by: 23.23.23.23 / talk / contribs} 01:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)