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Proposal: Categories for the To-Do List

This discussion was moved here from RationalWiki:Saloon_bar.

I have a proposal to bring up involving RationalWiki's to-do list.

The to-do list could be split up into different categories and topics to help sort the list, reduce clutter, and ensure that articles do get created. Meanwhile, the existing single list shouldn't really be replaced, and instead named as the "master list", for the people who still prefer the current setup.

Thanks for reading.TheEternalOutsider (talk) 13:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Say, that's actually a great idea! Several of my pet drafts from the last time I was here have either not survived my absence and were since deleted for inactivity or stagnated because I was the only one who knew they existed, especially after Twodots (a huge fan of me and frequent helper with my pet articles, miss the kid) got a life left. And some heavily-requested articles have been on that page since before I deconverted. See my userpage's "Drafts started by me" section if you're interested in lending me a hand (click the "CircularR"). --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 14:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually not a bad idea. I wish that there was an "auto-sort" feature too, that lists to-do's by votes.

But as is, going to have a list of categories below we can vote on; add if you see fit...

Let me know what categories we should add, will update this CorruptUser 16:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Might wanna include more categories as "science" is not the only academic field we cover. Philosophy and history would do as well. Carthage (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

A media category would also do well. Carthage (talk) 16:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Added a media category and a communities category. Media I would envision more as articles that relate to dumb shit like the culture war (but have decent insights into it beyond "look at the angry conservative") and mostly single-blog garbage like Blumenthals The Gray Zone. Communities is for stuff like 4chan, Reddit or whatever list of crank fora and sites you can think of where the main missioniality is the horrible moderation more than anything else. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Topics can fit into multiple categories, so a tag/label system when editing the to-do list can help organize things for said categories too. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 16:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

This is a "soft vote", won't actually decide the outcome, but will affect it in the sense that we should know what categories we need. Add categories as you see fit, and if you don't like the category just vote "nay", if you think the category is better merged with another that's what the "goat" is for. CorruptUser 16:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Would philosophy fall under the humanities or the sciences? Carthage (talk) 19:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Humanities. CorruptUser 20:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

So I understand this is a soft vote here for now, but the next step would be to take this to ATIM or someplace else to implement it into action. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 16:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Why have a vote here in the first place then? I don't mind any particular categories, but would worry this could over-complicate the to-do list somehow depending how it's implemented. Chillpilled (talk) 19:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Chillpilled Then let's get this proposal to ATIM to transition this from a soft vote to a hard vote. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 03:58, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Cranks

Yay

1. CorruptUser 16:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Carthage (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Absolutely, that's what this website is about. (P.S. this is Andrew5, I am just dropping in I promise I'm not making myself cozy here, dw.) 47.16.96.33 (talk) 19:23, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
6. Heck yes. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
7. This is a great idea. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
8. Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
9. Definitely. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
10. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Politics

Yay

1. CorruptUser 16:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Given the rising tide of fascism, this is of paramount importance. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Carthage (talk) 20:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
5. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Goat

• I find general US politician articles a bit dubious to begin with. Do keep in mind that just a couple years back we ended up removing a bunch of stray articles on state level republican congressmen/senators because their total relevance was "be the main character of the media for a day by saying something bigoted". Nothing against a category for non-USA politicans though, just a cautious warning. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• I would prefer a more general "politics" category TBH, simply because it's a much more encompassing category. Carthage (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Anyone mind if rename this "politics" then? CorruptUser 19:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  I don't. Carthage (talk) 19:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Changed. Feel free to amend votes and goats. CorruptUser 20:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Would war and conflict fall under politics or should it get its own category? Carthage (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• I would suggest that people read our existing articles on US politicians. There are many who are no longer relevant and possibly some who are dead. And nobody cares about updating many of them - they are kind of "fire-and-forget" articles.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• Split this category up into relevant contexts, as politics is definitely not a one size fits all. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Ineligible

1. I haven't grown much. Bangers are still bangers though.

Table 2

1. Everpresent 2. Feeling 3. Defence 4. No permanent remedy 5. Frightening 6. Threats to being 7. Death 8. Awareness 9. Finitude 10. Nothingness 11. Solipsistic 12. Difficult communication 13. Inner growth 14. Giving meaning 15. Authenticity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikKOJoagK94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f85BH0qg1Aw

https://youtu.be/V5bHBGYsIQM

not embedded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vrsO3_HpU Torrent (talk) 05:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Pseudo-science

Yay

1. CorruptUser 16:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Carthage (talk) 16:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Of course we need this. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
6. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
7. Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:55, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
8. This category is a shoo-in. Though subcategories are also helpful here too. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
9. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Actual-science

Yay

1. CorruptUser 16:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Carthage (talk) 16:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 17:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
5. I need a list of things RationalWiki actually endorses; I'm running out of ideas for Progress Pokémon. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
6. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
7. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Nay

1. Actually no, it's not our core thing. WP will always do real science better then us and updates will probably not happen.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Media

Yay

1. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Carthage (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. What did happen to our film/movie page, anyways? Luigifan18 (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Communities

Yay

1. -- Techpriest (talk) 16:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Carthage (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Nay

1. Not sure what this one means. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Maybe individual communities could be put into more specific categories? (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Goat

• What would this category be? E.g., the Yazidi? CorruptUser 19:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Pretty sure the Yazidi would fall under social justice, the humanities (anthropology and so on), and politics. Online communities is what I think Techpriest was referring to. Carthage (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Wouldn't a better category be "Inter-tubes"? CorruptUser 20:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

  Probably. Carthage (talk) 20:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

• Best to split this category up into its relevant topics. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Humanities

Yay

1. Carthage (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Pseudohumanities

Yay

1. Carthage (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 17:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Goat

1. I feel like this could go with pseudo-science. What would be an example of pseudo-humanities? CorruptUser 18:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

   Pseudohistory is one. I suppose it depends on whether or not you consider history to be a part of the humanities or the sciences. The social sciences are also a lot murkier than the hard sciences, but they're still considered sciences and not humanities. Carthage (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Social justice

Yay

1. Carthage (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 17:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
5. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Religion

Yay

1. Duh. Carthage (talk) 19:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Ibid. Luigifan18 (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
3. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄^{Ask about our holiday specials!} 20:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
4. Critiques of this are what attracted me to this site in the first place --Goatspeed. _{See what I'm up to}CircularRasoning^{Steal my ideas} 05:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
5. Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
6. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 18:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
7. (っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Natsuki Marx ♥ (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)