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I'm not anti-gay or anything, individuals are individuals and what they get up to is all well and good. However, I often wonder aloud, with an open mouthed gaze, how former school mates etc. who come out later in life adopt whollely new personalities. Its like they become different overnight, they even walk and talk different than what they used to. It seems to be gay is to conform to a ghastly gay stereotype which paints all gays as sexual deviants, obnoxious loudmouths or simple morons who answer every question with a flutter of the eyelids and a 'I'm stupid' look. I always admired a dear old friend of mine who in rather great difficulty told his dad he was gay. His dad threw him out of the house. My friend now lives with his partner in a normal apartment and leads a very uncolourful life. Speaking to him, you'd imagine he was just like any straight guy, none of the ridiculous bullshit you see in gay bars. Its almost like he made a conscious effort not to conform to a ridiculous stereotype, which so many gay people seem to revel in... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 13:43, 26 February 2009 (EST) | I'm not anti-gay or anything, individuals are individuals and what they get up to is all well and good. However, I often wonder aloud, with an open mouthed gaze, how former school mates etc. who come out later in life adopt whollely new personalities. Its like they become different overnight, they even walk and talk different than what they used to. It seems to be gay is to conform to a ghastly gay stereotype which paints all gays as sexual deviants, obnoxious loudmouths or simple morons who answer every question with a flutter of the eyelids and a 'I'm stupid' look. I always admired a dear old friend of mine who in rather great difficulty told his dad he was gay. His dad threw him out of the house. My friend now lives with his partner in a normal apartment and leads a very uncolourful life. Speaking to him, you'd imagine he was just like any straight guy, none of the ridiculous bullshit you see in gay bars. Its almost like he made a conscious effort not to conform to a ridiculous stereotype, which so many gay people seem to revel in... [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 13:43, 26 February 2009 (EST) | ||
::Any post that begins with "I'm not anti-gay..." is, like, "don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are Jewish, but..." is bound to be problematic. MC, I know an awful lot of gay people and very few if any of them of them behave in the manner you're describing. Argument-by-anecdotal-evidence rarely goes well, so maybe you just need to meet more gay people--or acknowledge that some of the people that you meet who aren't acting like mincing queers are, in fact, also gay. I might also point out that young people tend to adopt cultural cues like dress, speech patterns, etc. that make them feel like they fit it to a new community. Given the particularly close links between sexuality and identity, it would hardly be surprising that that tendency is amplified when it comes to what you call "gay culture." [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 13:56, 26 February 2009 (EST) | ::Any post that begins with "I'm not anti-gay..." is, like, "don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are Jewish, but..." is bound to be problematic. MC, I know an awful lot of gay people and very few if any of them of them behave in the manner you're describing. Argument-by-anecdotal-evidence rarely goes well, so maybe you just need to meet more gay people--or acknowledge that some of the people that you meet who aren't acting like mincing queers are, in fact, also gay. I might also point out that young people tend to adopt cultural cues like dress, speech patterns, etc. that make them feel like they fit it to a new community. Given the particularly close links between sexuality and identity, it would hardly be surprising that that tendency is amplified when it comes to what you call "gay culture." [[User:TheoryOfPractice|TheoryOfPractice]] 13:56, 26 February 2009 (EST) | ||
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| + | This is very much of an argument by anecdote TOP, there's little other way of gauging an opinion on this. I recently spent three months in San Francisco so I know quite a lot about gays and have met quite a lot of them too! Probably what turned me off gay culture altogether (I used to hold comfertable little hippy idealist principles in relation to it) | ||
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| + | Put it like this, if someone came up to you in a bar and felt your ass, your first reaction is 'is that a woman?' When you realise its not you mention quite kindly to them that your not gay. When they make a joke about it and walk on, then its a good person, if they don't and persist, then they are a dick. I don't care if the persons gay, it doesn't excuse a shitty action. I think this was my overall point, people like to excuse it when gays act anti-socially under the explanation that they are gay - my answer to that is that anyone who does that is a dick, and being doesn't gay doesn't excuse it. | ||
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| + | Whats worse is again is seeing 'recent' gays coming out who are about 16/17 and begin to develop an entirely different personality as a result of peer pressure. | ||
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| + | The only way this case/argument can be made is by anecdotal evidence, and believe, I've a lot of anecdotal evidence of my own. [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 14:02, 26 February 2009 (EST) | ||
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What is wrong with being gay
- The silence that falls when you walk into a room full of people (down the pub) and the sudden ensuing burst of conversation.
- The neighbours who have coffee mornings without inviting you.
- The question of how to refer to ones friend/partner/companion/roomie/oppo .... without causing offence to him/her or to the auditor.
- The less than understanding bank staff
- etc. — Unsigned, by: SusanG / talk / contribs Susanpurrrrr 07:15, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Nothing wrong with being gay, everything wrong with conforming to gay culture
I'm not anti-gay or anything, individuals are individuals and what they get up to is all well and good. However, I often wonder aloud, with an open mouthed gaze, how former school mates etc. who come out later in life adopt whollely new personalities. Its like they become different overnight, they even walk and talk different than what they used to. It seems to be gay is to conform to a ghastly gay stereotype which paints all gays as sexual deviants, obnoxious loudmouths or simple morons who answer every question with a flutter of the eyelids and a 'I'm stupid' look. I always admired a dear old friend of mine who in rather great difficulty told his dad he was gay. His dad threw him out of the house. My friend now lives with his partner in a normal apartment and leads a very uncolourful life. Speaking to him, you'd imagine he was just like any straight guy, none of the ridiculous bullshit you see in gay bars. Its almost like he made a conscious effort not to conform to a ridiculous stereotype, which so many gay people seem to revel in... MarcusCicero 13:43, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- Any post that begins with "I'm not anti-gay..." is, like, "don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are Jewish, but..." is bound to be problematic. MC, I know an awful lot of gay people and very few if any of them of them behave in the manner you're describing. Argument-by-anecdotal-evidence rarely goes well, so maybe you just need to meet more gay people--or acknowledge that some of the people that you meet who aren't acting like mincing queers are, in fact, also gay. I might also point out that young people tend to adopt cultural cues like dress, speech patterns, etc. that make them feel like they fit it to a new community. Given the particularly close links between sexuality and identity, it would hardly be surprising that that tendency is amplified when it comes to what you call "gay culture." TheoryOfPractice 13:56, 26 February 2009 (EST)
This is very much of an argument by anecdote TOP, there's little other way of gauging an opinion on this. I recently spent three months in San Francisco so I know quite a lot about gays and have met quite a lot of them too! Probably what turned me off gay culture altogether (I used to hold comfertable little hippy idealist principles in relation to it)
Put it like this, if someone came up to you in a bar and felt your ass, your first reaction is 'is that a woman?' When you realise its not you mention quite kindly to them that your not gay. When they make a joke about it and walk on, then its a good person, if they don't and persist, then they are a dick. I don't care if the persons gay, it doesn't excuse a shitty action. I think this was my overall point, people like to excuse it when gays act anti-socially under the explanation that they are gay - my answer to that is that anyone who does that is a dick, and being doesn't gay doesn't excuse it.
Whats worse is again is seeing 'recent' gays coming out who are about 16/17 and begin to develop an entirely different personality as a result of peer pressure.
The only way this case/argument can be made is by anecdotal evidence, and believe, I've a lot of anecdotal evidence of my own. MarcusCicero 14:02, 26 February 2009 (EST)