Talk:Fascism

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A well-aged post I found from a prescient young man in 2017

How could he have been so brave, and so much more accurate than even he could have realized? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 04:56, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Bongolian (talk) 05:05, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I must admit, though, points 2 and 3 of the "saving graces" section were flat out wrong. The rest held up pretty well. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 05:21, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Approaching silver

I think this is getting close to silver. What do you think, @DuceMoosolini? Bongolian (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Some of the shit found in "left-wing fascism" is... questionable. Especially the (false) equivocation of far right movements in the global north with the critical analysis of colonialism and its effects in the global south. It's a 'vibes' "analysis" in other words. For instance the comparison between the regime of the Ayatollah in Iran and leftist support for it ignores how the Iranian Revolution was a popular revolt against a corrupt, Western imposed regime. Also the numerous uncritical references to horseshoe theory are eyebrow-raising. I personally object to this article being raised to silver without a reappraisal of the section on left wing fascism. Not to mention the ugly listicle contained therein. Vee (talk) 21:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I spoke too soon, either way most of my concerns are still prescient. Notably including how the section effectively strawmans or nutpicks post-colonialist (which is only post-modern in the sense that it's a critique of old colonialist theory) theory. Vee (talk) 21:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Good, I think that was the weakest section as I was editing the page. Feel free to delete or edit down. I toned down the horseshoe business, but those links could just be deleted. Bongolian (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I removed the section I found most problematic. I'll prune later as time goes by. Vee (talk) 21:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I’m gonna cut down on some of the big wall of text sections, like Metaxism or American fascism. It’s weird that they’re so much longer than the other ones. They should have their own articles if we are to go so long on it. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 21:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Didn't someone say "Trumpism" should be its own article? Vee (talk) 21:59, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I also think Trumpism should be its own article. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 23:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Me too, also think metaxism, legionarism, national radicalism should be their own articles, along with hungarism. (At the very least mentioned on the article.) also we should be more narrow calling fascist unless we have good reason too, as well as synthesize the sources to create kind of definition of fascism that most people can agree on, that was shared by both mussolini’s italy and adolf hitler’s Germany. I think Mussolini wrote hitlers playbook, Hitler took to another level. Also should have an article on Shōwa Statism in of itself.Jakester499 (talk) (contributions) 21:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Read the Five stages of fascism to add to our Paxton graph+Sources and the quotes

Another https://www.newsweek.com/robert-paxton-trump-fascist-1560652?amp=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/235001 --Jakester499 (talk) (contributions) 03:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Also Recommend https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-movementsJakester499 (talk) (contributions) 03:20, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

More sources by Robert Paxton https://econsystemsthinking.medium.com/summary-anatomy-of-fascism-eed6d626ee8--Jakester499 (talk) (contributions) 19:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Further Sources: https://johnganz.substack.com/p/the-jockcreep-theory-of-fascism https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9inDNkrzIGw&pp=ygUaWWVzIHlvdSBtaWdodCBiZSBhIGZhc2Npc3Q%3D https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu1qoyKNofQ--Jakester499 (talk) (contributions) 21:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Trumpism

Are you sure it’s a good idea to add trumpism in the comparison box for Paxton’s definition? It might be seen as controversial. Rational Dude (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Switching trumpism for desantism

I think we should consider adding desantism to the paxton wikitable? Desantis seems to be more fascist than trump ever was (and trump literally did a coup). Rational Dude (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone help with sources?

Cosmik has stated that some of statements lack citations either remove the claims or add appropriate citation. I'm going through the article and adding citations and removing some of the claims so who would help me ←§ Reichtangle (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)