Talk:Crisis actor

Real crisis actors

If crisis actors are real and a different thing from CTists' use of the term, then what are these real life crisis actors, what do they do and how are they different from CT crisis actors? That should be clear on the article. Faunas (talk) 08:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Go-to article on topic

We appear to have the go-to article on this topic. We could do with expansion, sections, etc - David Gerard (talk) 12:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Shame it's a load of fucking shit then! ^{— Unsigned, by: 188.30.171.232 / talk / contribs}

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Poe? Evil Reptilian Overlord (talk) 22:02, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I will tacitly agree with you that some of this content is a bit too faith based. There are numerous cases in history where upper class members of society work in close coordination with one another to achieve propagandist aims. This being true, it does not mean that American mass shootings are hoaxes or the people at them are crisis actors - the evidence is a bit too scant and the idea that were they such massive frauds, they couldn't use different people is pretty unbelievable. The most prominent recognizable situation where this has occurred - the upper class working together to put on a serious emotional show for the lower class - is in North Korea - evidently staged/culturally enforced behavior to try to manipulate those outside the inner circles of North Korea or ensure social compliance amongst the populace. Incredulous (talk) 05:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

This is exactly the type of stuff that brings me to the site in the first place. Goat speed, crazy raving talkpage man! Goat speed. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

crisisactors.org

We point to crisisactors.org (now defunct) as evidence that crisis actors are a real thing (footnote 2). Conspiracy theorists do the same. Is enough actually known about this short-lived site to confirm that it was actually what it purported to be & not just something somebody set up to perpetuate the crisis actor myth? Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 15:05, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Crisis actors are indeed a real thing, but there's nothing sinister or conspiratorial about the actual phenomenon which concerns "extras" used in various emergency drills to create a more realistic scenario for those being drilled.

For instance, one of my friends (himself a trained and experienced "health & safety officer") played the role of an "unhelpful helpful" passenger in an emergency exercise concerning the evacuation of a burning ferry. He jumped up and proclaimed that as fire and heat rises, it was a good idea to head down into the lower decks and got some of the other "extras" who played the "pliable" passengers to follow him, necessitating an intervention from the ferry's crew.

It would appear that crisisactors.org was a website for this type of real crisis actors, not the men in black/black helicopters chimaera of conspiracy theory fancy. ScepticWombat (talk) 16:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

You mean; that's what they want you to believe. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:43, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Looking at JorisEnter's page, you cann see the calibre on this site - a bunch of masturbating morons, in both the mental and physical sense. If you hold their viewpoint, great - if you don't, you're a "vandal" and your viewpoint keeps getting ignored. JorisEnter, PaulS, Reverend Black Percy - how do *you* explain the video you keep taking down the link to, where people blow up a car and a load of people rush the scene, lie down, and pretend to be injured? Hmm? ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.23.80.239 / talk / contribs} 09:33, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Putting aside the tedious personal insults, what do you think the video depicts, BoN?

What I see is some guy filming a video being played on his TV while talking to himself and, I think, his young daughter. Now, I don't understand Arabic (which I presume is the language spoken in the video), so I have no idea what's actually being said (do you?). Judging from the stuff happening on the TV, and mind you this is but a 2- minute snippet, I'd say it's either depicting a training excercise in how to deal with the aftermath of a car bombing or some raw footage of a stunningly bad attempt at a propaganda video with a faked terrorist attack with laughable production values.

In fact, the lack of any attempt at making the people in the video look seriously injured by using makeup, false blood etc., argues against a nefarious plot involving crisis actors (of the conspiracy theory variety). Either that or the crepuscular conspiracy is being run by a remarkably and hilariously inept cabal which would be hard pressed to organise a piss up in a brewery, meaning we can all relax anyway. ScepticWombat (talk) 15:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

You got a link to this video, Wombat? For all the 10 pages this guy blanked and replaced with shill gambits, he didn't actually spam the link to the video in question. Not exactly Pulitzer-level investigative journalism, methinks. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Eeeh, Rev.? It's not exactly difficult to find in the fossil record as it's in the reverted edits by the BoN, but just to make it easier, here it is again. Note that the video contains no context or indications of its origins whatsoever, yet all the comments seem to be by conspiracy nuts yammering on about crisis actors and CNN (as the representative of the dreaded mainstream media). I wonder how many of them understand what's said in the video (I suspect few, if any; now, the number of Dunning-Kruger effect examples, on the other hand...). ScepticWombat (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. And really — he did in fact mention the video more times than he linked to it, like I said. () Anyways, I'll check it out and get back to ya, buddy. Something tells me your analysis is already more than nuff' said (read: it's spot on), however. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Crisis Actor Skill Level

I'd like to add a small section about how frequently a CT crisis actor is labeled bad/terrible/horrible. As opposed to not being an actual actor therefore not having any actual acting skill. I have some links to reference. Lots of YouTube videos that have been deleted and some blog posts.Antigem (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Without knowing what you want to say, or link to, I think it would be hard for people to respond to your question. I personally don't find Youtube very credible - and links to deleted youtube videos might be less than convincing. But if you add content and - if it is well-sourced, relevant and not part of some conspiracy theory some - it should stay. If not, then it may not last long. Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 14:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Actually, one of the Parkland students pointed to his lack of acting skills as a snub to the conspiracy theorists in an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN (used by Stephen Colbert from 04:50 in this clip). ScepticWombat (talk) 14:41, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I could have been more detailed, but I wanted to see if it was so unworthy that nobody cared before proceeding. The lack of YouTube is part of the problem in the whole crisis actor theory. These don't last long because the content inevitably contains harassment and bullying in the video and comments. I have a link to a Yahoo News article for the Sandy Hook grandfather specifically labeling him the subject of "bad crisis actor" dialogue. I have a conspiracy theorist blog post of a poll for naming the worst crisis actor ever. These are proof that there's content out there. Even though the poll has a bunch of broken video links attached it shows that the content is there. That bypasses the worry of linking a current video that will likely disappear soon. And I saw Colbert's clip and it's part of the reason I thought to add to the article. (Also, before the new Parkland section I put up the most recent edit prior). It should be intuitive that the makers of the conspiracy content are not qualified to offer a legit opinion on acting skill, simply labeling them "obviously bad, you're too stupid if you don't see it". How about if I sandbox the proposed addition and mail the two of you when finished to give thumbs up or down?Antigem (talk) 15:30, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

This is what I had in mind. User:Antigem/sandbox/bad crisis actors Antigem (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Redundant Content

After reading this edit and examining the article I found that the subject matter was already covered in other areas and noted so here. My edit was then reverted here and as it shows I was advised to use the talk page. I have now done just that rather than edit warring and request additional input on this matter. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 19:05, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this to talk. I don't see anywhere else in the article where the "same girl" allegation is either referenced or refuted. Ithaca8 (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ithaca8 Look closely at the photo caption where it says "Here's a clue: no." ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Ithaca8 (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2018 (UTC)