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[edit] Cover story?

Please do not archive this section

Do you think this article qualifies to be included on the main page? JJ4eGuava marmalade! 10:23, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps in time, yes, but for now it's not remotely ready for that. Needs lots more research, less snark, more focus. We need to move away from the article's current CP focus - it's not about CP, but CP provides us with evidence for how he is. DogP 17:15, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

I wonder if anyone thinks this might be ready for prime-time now? DogP 18:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I do. it's awesome. PFoster 18:37, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I think this is now of a sufficient quality to be a cover story article. Thoughts? DogP 13:39, 2 February 2009 (EST)
I want this on the frontpage under one condition. Fun:Andrew Schlafly (satire) appears under the best of fun. - User = \scriptstyle h/2\hbar 05:25, 3 February 2009 (EST)
I've no problem with that at all, apart from the fact that there is no 'Best of Fun' category. I added the 'Best of amusement' category instead. DogP 10:39, 3 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] Another Bloody Vote

Place vote here to vote for this as a Cover Story. No goats will be harmed if you vote the wrong way. Well, maybe one goat will be harmed.

[edit] Yay

[edit] Possible Yay's

Presuming their votes still hold from the old discussion above, we may also have the support of:

  • PFoster
  • Mr.Mathematical Signature

[edit] Nay

  • I think we should hold fire on this until we decided who's entitled to vote. Image:redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 17:34, 3 February 2009 (EST)
  • I don't think it's a good idea to have this the front page material. It's not accessible to an outsider and even if it's anti-CP, it's rather indirectly mission-related. Sterilerationalize 19:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)
    • Sterile has a good point there, re: the mission. Although I just cleaned up the intro and added some links, and surely Schlafly is on-mission? And the article is a good one? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:10, 4 February 2009 (EST)
    • Agreed...good point on the mission. But I don't think it should stop us. Familiarizing the community with factual evidence about Schlafly, Hovind, Ham, etc. is on point. Neveruse513 14:13, 4 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] Discussion of votes

Genghis - do we really have to drag all future votes on things off into the realm of 'qualifications for voting' and all this mad-eyed bureaucracy that's beginning to overwhelm this site? How will we know if we have a quorum? Will the votes cast have a fair gender balance? Will voters come equally from blue-collar and white-collar backgrounds? RW is rapidly developing the 'British Disease' of the late '70's, Brother. And as for Sterile's point - isn't the man principle we've all adhered to against Schlafly that he's welcome to his opinions, just not to promote them to children under the guise of it being 'education'? I can't see what could be more 'refuting the anti-science movement' than that? And what outsiders? Who comes here who doesn't know about Conservapedia anyway? Finally, if we remove this, then there's at least three other Conservapedia-related article that need to also come out of the Cover Story article list. We could discuss that, but we'll need to pay a stipend into a fund for the American Auto Worker first. DogP 20:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Anyone and everyone should be entitled to a vote. Even Fall Down (only one sock, though). Even TK. They have rights, even if they don't deserve them. That's what makes us different from CP- everyone and anyone has rights. If we start restricting voting, then we become little better than the people who we set up the wiki to protest against. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductorRusty-spotted catspeed! 20:47, 3 February 2009 (EST)
I concur with CUR. DogP 20:50, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks. More on my position: When we start restricting votes, we creep towards right-wing authoritarianism. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductorRusty-spotted catspeed! 21:06, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Minors can't vote ;). ħumanUser talk:Human 00:11, 4 February 2009 (EST)
But you don't know that I'm a minor. I just say I am. And that law doesn't count for wikis. Here, everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductorRusty-spotted catspeed! 14:16, 4 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] Promotion

In the abscence of any Nays (at the time), this article was promoted to be a cover story article. DogP 16:54, 3 February 2009 (EST)

[edit] Surname

Having come across a book at work called Wo die Sonne schlafen geht I decided to look up what "Schlafly" means. Apparently it's from the German Schlaefli "sleep" (Schlaef and the diminutive suffix -li). So, "little sleep." Totnesmartin 14:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

So now we know his delusions stems from insomnia. SuperJosh Winner of RationalWiki's Biggest N00b Award for 2009 10:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Insomnia seems to be an endemic problem over there.... DogPMarmite Patrol 11:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
And it's not just Ken. TK frequently exhibits similar editing patterns. Obviousy sleep deprivation is a major contributing factor to their delusional state. I guess they want to tire themselves out so much that they will sleep for three years and wake up just in time for the next Presidential election, so that Obama's term of office will just seem like a bad dream. However, I believe it wil probably turn out like Dead of Night (that movie sent shivers up my spine as a kid). Image:redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 11:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I now have a terrifying scenario in my head with Andy as the ventriloquist and TK as the dummy. Gulp. Image:redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 11:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
In the end, the dummy got the upper hand entirely. Aaaaargh! Image:redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 11:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Imagine that. A power-shifting coup d'état by TK over at Conservapedia. Now that would be some WIGO. SuperJosh Winner of RationalWiki's Biggest N00b Award for 2009 12:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
And one of the last WIGO CPs ever. Totnesmartin 12:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I hope that day never comes. I love Conservapedia and all its wackiness. Without it, RW would be fairly pointless and I'd have to go back to the real world. SuperJosh Winner of RationalWiki's Biggest N00b Award for 2009 13:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Without CP of course, there would have been a RationalWiki in the first place, let's not forget. Still, a bit early for obits just yet. Totnesmartin 13:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Andy's side job

I am sure we probably went over this already, but check this out: Andy as an educator in Eagle Forum University. So he also claims expertise (since he teaches them) in (upper case intact):

  • Supreme Court 101
  • AMERICAN GOVERNMENT 101
  • AMERICAN HISTORY 101 (scroll down)
  • Evolution and Politics
  • EVOLUTION FALLACIES
  • Principles of Microeconomics
  • SUPREME COURT & CURRENT EVENTS
  • THE CONSTITUTION AND CURRENT EVENTS

It is unclear why some of them are in CAPS and some of them aren't.
Also, registration is free! ThiehZOYG I edit like Ken! 14:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

ZOMG UR STALKING HIM!~!! — Unsigned, by: Neveruse513 / talk / contribs 15:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, I was trying to work on the stuff on the Eagle Forum and one of the link happens to be Eagle Forum University. I thought Phyllis Sr. would try to teach something, but turns out it was her offspring. ThiehLooking for potion recipes 15:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oversight...?

I do believe This section require insertion of information regarding the new (ab)use of Oversight powers by the CP sysops, but I don't know how best to do it. ThiehLooking for potion recipes 18:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Archived talk?

Is it even possible to find Archived talk on AShlafly's user page? This is asked primarily due to archived talk links in our article reference section. ThiehAsk me for relationship advice 19:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

When I first joined Rw there was some annoyance that Andy "misfiled" his archives - tbh I think he just deleted old/unwelcome stuff without actually creating archive pages for what he removed. You might have to wade through the edit history, if it's still there. there was some discussion about whether this was against the mediawiki licence. I'd wish you happy hunting, but when it comes to CP I'm a pessimist. Totnesmartin 21:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, found the archives up to circa October 2008. They don't seem to bother to archive anything that comes after. ThiehBlocked by TK (Who isn't?) 22:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, change "when I first joined" to "nearly a year-and-a-half after I joined" - details, details... Totnesmartin 22:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually the first archive misfired/misfiled (working archives run from Archive2 to Archive46), so you are right about when you first joined ThiehCP≠Child Porn? 02:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Grade inflation

In that section, it has the sentence "However, when grading his students' homework, Mr. Schlafly has yet to give less than an 8 out of 10 on any question, even if the answer is clearly wrong."

Which "wrong" are we talking about? Contradicting his teachings or contradicting to facts/established orthodoxy? Big difference between the two (primarily due to his inability to teach facts). Thieh[Talk needed] 12:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I think we're speaking to both.... But the issues is really when he writes something like "that is incorrect, this battle actually happened three hundred years later and involved two seperate armies. 8/10" That's the problem. SirChuckBObama/Biden? 2012 20:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can I link my article?

I know this is a serious article, but could I link my Fun:Death Note article at the bottom of the page? I was thinking that since I spent a good part of the page comparing Andy and Kira, it might be passable. Truthfully, nothing but my userpage links to the article.--Nate River 02:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps Conservapedia article would fit better for your Death Note article, like the one for Stalinist Republic of Conservapedia or Andyland. ThiehMonitoring virgin birth experiment 02:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Also Andrew Layton Schlafly (The satirical article) would be befitting for the comparison (Seeing there is a Obama Comparison to Schlafly from the serious article, I guess a comparison of Kira to Schlafly would be a satire of our own article) as well. I added the article at the see also section of CP. ThiehAsk me for relationship advice 02:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, not this article, K/T is correct. PS, why is it now red linked? Ah, because you got the title wrong, I fixed. Oh, and my answer? No. Don't link it from anywhere. It's boring unless you are really into Death Note. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
K, thanks K/T. Hu, harsh man. That is why I ask before I do--Nate River 02:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to be harsh, but really, the article in question is really oblique. And, yes, asking made sense. Also, of course, I am not the last voice on the matter! Just one editor. Suggestion: you could add the "conservapedia" category? I don't think there's be any objection to that. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
For the record, I never read Death Note and I get the idea, though I am relatively interested into manga ans stuff (so it doesn't take that specific of an interest of Death Note). So I think if the article can be worked up to a certain standard it can link to the satirical article (double satire: Satire for Andy and satire for this list found on the serious article)? ThiehBlocked by TK (Who isn't?) 02:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I got that idea. It's kinda funny comparing Andy to a psychotic killer with a God complex. That is what inspired me to write the article in the first place--Nate River 03:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Video games essay

I'm sad I missed that.

I would have loved to tell him that I was more prepared to write college essays in 9th grade than most of my fellow non-gaming classmates when they graduated. Kettle Kin (Version 2.0) 01:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

And to think, you were almost "family". You could have schooled him every thanksgiving for the rest of his life... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] His dad's name?

I have found the following two passages in the article:

  • "Andrew Schlafly is the son of John Fred Schlafly (1909-1993)"
  • "He was homeschooled until the age of seven. [8] There is some evidence to suggest that he later attended Saint Louis Priory School, a private Catholic boys' school, graduating in 1978.[9] His father, lawyer Fred Schlafly, may have encouraged his children to follow him to law school."

Did his father changes name from John to Fred, or does it requires fixing? ThiehBlocked by TK (Who isn't?) 18:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I noticed you fixed it, but I suspect "John Fred Schlalfy" (full formal name) went by "Fred Schlafly"? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic

Do we have sources that says that Andy is a Roman Catholic (or of any particular church denominations)? ThiehAhh! my eyes!! 23:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

This might be the closest: "Schlafly was christened Phyllis McAlpin Stewart and brought up as a Roman Catholic in St. Louis." at her wikipedia article. I think she stayed RC and raised the kids in the RCC. Kettlekik mentioned Andy's church once recently though I thought, wish I could remember where... ħumanUser talk:Human 00:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
He has spoken on Conservapedia about the Pope being infallible. ListenerXTalkerX 02:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, unless they disagree. Then Andy's right, not His Holiness. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
TK: Oh Andy, you're so wise you should run for Pope!
Andy: I don't know TK, can you even do that anymore?
TK: C'monnnnnnnnn!
Andy: I'll do it!
I suppose in Conservapedialand anything's possible. SuperJosh Winner of RationalWiki's Biggest N00b Award for 2009 09:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not Quite Wrong

"What do you find most inspiring about Christopher Columbus?"[60] A student answered "That he learning how to be a captain at age 10"

I was suspicious about this when I first saw it, and checking Wikipedia confirmed my suspicions. While it's certainly absurd for a 10 year old to have captained a ship, it's not absurd for a 10 year old to have served on a ship. Wikipedia seems to agree that Columbus began serving on ships at the age of 10, although they don't directly cite a source for it. So while I will say that, given the context of the class, it is somewhat reasonable and accurate for the teacher to interpret the student's answer as stating that Columbus began his sailing career (and by association his learning things relevant to captainship) at the age of 10, I'd still say it's a question of dubious significance and I don't think the answer should've warranted full credit.Ziiv (talk) 19:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd imagine one could get full credit for turning in a turd wrapped in a page from the course text. Conservapederast (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A thought

Should we run capturebot on all the CP links for this article? DickTurpis (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

There's one or two articles that would benefit from that. This message brought to you by: Toastrespondand honey 20:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Retranslate revert

I agree that the statement could have been made a tad more neutrally, but the conclusion is appropriate. If there are no objections to tuning up what I wrote I'll do it tomorrow. Nutty Rouxnever mind 18:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling Emphasis

I don't want to do this unilaterally, but I think the section on teh Fly's spelling would be better if we weren't ramming it down people's throats with italics. Wouldn't it be better if we just let his teaching writing stand on its own? –SuspectedReplicantretire me 19:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It does seem like a bit of overkill, yeah... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I disagree; when people do not know how to spell "its," all grammatical errors must be explicitly pointed out to them. ListenerXTalkerX 07:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
If people don't know how to spell then they aren't going to be bothered by the fact that Andy can't spell either. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 07:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
We're hypocrites, remember? :P Seriously though, I agree, it's unnecessary to point these out, it's like explaining the joke. -- Nx / talk 07:47, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Remember that this is an article meant to convince people that Mr. Schlafly should not teach their children. If they have to puzzle over numerous sentences trying to find the spelling errors, they might lose interest. ListenerXTalkerX 15:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
It just seems inelegant to me. It's like we're pointing and sniggering. I also think each sentence is brief enough that people won't have to look very hard for the errors. –SuspectedReplicantretire me 16:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Karma

I recently made a change pointing out that the suggestion given by one of the conservapedia students that in Buddhism, there is no "God you have answer to when you die." contradicts the idea that of Karma, which is fairly important to Buddhism. I understand that what the student said about their being "no God" to answer to is technically correct, but still feel that Karma invalidates his basic premise that Buddhism is an accountability-free religion.

"I also submit that it is also silly to talk about Buddhism's lack of a God, since in the original Buddhist scriptures, Siddhartha spends a fair amount of time arguing with and being tempted by various Hindu gods, and since at least one branch of Buddhism (Mahayan) believes in celestial buddhas who have god-like powers. For these reasons, although I agree with the basic gist of the critique of the answer (that it is totally and completely wrong,) I feel compelled to argue about the specifics (why it is wrong)." - CP user

[edit] Insulting students

Worth adding? His liberal vandal paranoia has leaked massively into his teaching and he has resorted to being exceptionally rude to some of his students. I don't have the original one, when he blocked a child and then unblocked them when their mother complained, but I do have this one.

[edit] Student's essay:

UNGRADED. ANSWERS SEEM IMPLAUSIBLE AND STEREOTYPICAL, SUCH AS THE "15-PERSON PASSENGER VAN." "REFORAMATION"??? SEEMS A LIKE A MISTAKE AN UNINFORMED PUBLIC SCHOOL PERSON WOULD MAKE.--Andy Schlafly 13:40, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

'Economics Homework One Answers

LydiaM

1. An example of goods could be the Bernese Mountain dog puppies I raise to sell; an example of a service could be the care my siblings provide for the dog in exchange for compensation if I happen to be out of town.

2. The option of going to McDonalds definitely includes more transaction costs for my family which has thirteen members. One transaction cost would be the fuel needed to drive our fifteen passenger van twenty minutes into town and back; another would be the effort required to tie the six youngest siblings' shoes, zip their coats, and oversee their hair combing and face washing!

Also, as many people eat much food, it is certainly cheaper for us to sup at home on burgers bought wholesale!

3. Scarcity can be defined as the state of any good or service that can be bought or bartered for-- something that does not exist in a naturally plentiful state. Again referring to analogy of my personal experience raising Bernese Mountain dogs, because these dogs are quite "scarce" (the original breeding pair was not brought into the USA from Switzerland until 1950), they tend be more expensive than better well-known dog breeds.

People often exaggerate scarcity to themselves when the place high personal significance on something that, in reality, has very little monetarty value. For example, it is becoming not uncommon to hear of a pet owner suing someone thousands of dollars for the accidental death or injury of his animal friend, even though he could generally easily purchase another pet for far less. Even more logical would be for him to adopt a shelter animal... But because he feels that his stong emotional ties to the animal should be accounted for in the loss, he demands far more recompense than simply the monetary value of the animal. However, if a person's feelings can be "fixed" for the right price, can he be said to have any feelings at all?

4. The "invisible hand" is a guiding force which directs people who are working for their own ends to better the state of others around them, whether it be physically, economically, or even spiritually. For example, Martin Luther, a German monk who lived in the fifteen hundreds, searched the Scriptures ceaselessly in pursuit of spiritual truth-- something that was deemed heretical by the Roman Catholic Church during that time period, and worthy of serious punishment. In seeking answers to his own personal questions and doubts, he helped to bring about the Reforamation, which produced religious tolerance and freedom as had not been previously known for hundreds of years atleast. Had Luther not begun his own personal quest despite the threat to his life, who knows for how many more years men may have continued under the burden of stifled thought, speech, and religious belief?

5. Luke 12:13-21 relates the account of a man who desired for Jesus to settle an economic dipute dividing an inheritance between him and his brother. Considered from an economical standpoint, one could say that Jesus was warning the man about placing too much significance on the security of wealth. Like a crash in the stock market that wipes away your wealth, so the man's death in the parable ended his love affair with gain. The more spiritual point Christ made is that we should beware of selfish and greedy motives as nothing lasts except that which we give to others out of love.

extra credit: The Gospel of Matthew contains more economic parables than Mark does simply because Matthew himself had been a tax collector and was thus much more interested in monetary topics than Mark was.

6. Caveat emptor-- "let the buyer beware." We should act responsibly with the resources God has given us, whether they be money, time, or effort. This includes making wise financial decisions. We should always weigh the significance of purchasing something. This is especially true as certain things such drugs and alcohol will not only destroy our physical lives, but reak havoc on the lives of those close to us, some of whom may require financial support, not poverty.

HONORS

8.

"Money is a Good Servant but a Poor Master"

Christ once stated these words cautioning against the love of riches: "No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money"-- Matthew 6:24, NIV. While it is true that God created us with the ability to gain wealth and possessions, He did not purpose for us to make these things the focus of our lives. Also, if we try to serve both wealth and God, we will end up doing neither very well, and certainly waste our lives in choosing the pursuit of gain.

Money can be a blessing, but also a curse; just as it can also be used both to serve God or also to obstruct our relationship with Him. When God created us, He gave us resources to use, originally our time and effort. Even in the Garden of Eden at the beginning of time God commanded man to "subdue" the earth and to "tend" the garden. He knew that if we applied our energies to th utilization of what He had already begun, (i.e., life forms and the earth), we could become a self-sustaining species. Eventually, though, as culture became more complex and varied, and work more specialized, it obviously became more convenient for man to develop coin and exchange it for his needs. Now not everyone had to plant or tend animals to provide for his sustenance. Man could design things for the comfort of others, such as furniture; or create beauty, such as art or music, for other's enjoyment, all the while receiving compensation in the form of money which he then used too provide for himslf and his family. And so the world has progressed for centuries until this present era in which material gain has become an all-consuming passion for many people. In our era, secularization has replaced God both in the street and in the pulpit; and soon time will show, as it did in the days of Ancient Rome, that our nation has chosen a detrimental and debilitating substitute.

When the gain of wealth becomes the focus of one's life, dissatisfaction and unfulfillment is sure to follow. This is because God created in us hearts of worship that can only be truly filled when they are filled with the worship of Him. When we fill our lives with greed and racing for fame and gain, we are left with possibly a heap of wealth at the end of our lives which we obviously cannot take with us. However, if we utilize the money God has given us to serve others, especially those who cannot easily support themselves, we will reap rich blessings from Him, both in this life and also in the next. We know this to be true from Christ's own words: "Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"-- Luke 6:38, NIV.

[edit] Discussion on Andy's talk page

Professor Schlafly,

I'm sorry about the quality of my homework this past week. I will try to do better in the future. I don't understand the grade, though. Would you like me to redo the homework? What about the essay?

Again, my apologies. LydiaM

"Lydia", try Essay:Quantifying Openmindedness and let me know how you do, with a detailed explanation of your answers.--Andy Schlafly 17:39, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

How and where would you like me to post my answers to the questions? And do I answer the first fourteen questions only, or the follow up questions for each topic as well? LydiaM

You can post them here. By the way, how many years have you been in public school?--Andy Schlafly 19:40, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

I just graduated this past spring from twelve years of homeschool. I'm taking this course because I'm trying to get CLEP credit before going to college in the fall of 2010. This year, however, I'm taking online courses from Liberty College and Bryan College.

As I have a committment in a few minutes, I cannot answer the questions now. However, I'll try to post them tonight. LydiaM

No kidding, "Lydia"! Tell you what, after you learn how to spell "commitment", let me know which online course you're taking at Liberty University (not "college") and I'll put in a good word with the professor for you. I've sent several real students there and am on good terms with the fine school. It's so wonderful to see someone who thinks "Reformation" is spelled as "Reforamation", and who is so easily amused by himself!--Andy Schlafly 21:56, 13 September 2009 (EDT)


The student then deleted the above conversation and blanked their essay. They did not return. CrundyOh maaan, I'm so high maaan! 11:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Worth adding, but perhaps with the caveat that the combination of a "legitimate" homeshooling enterprise (at least in AS's eyes) with a political blog that attracts a certain class of opponent has led Schlafly to treat people who don't conform to his idea of a good student as wiki-vandals. WHICH THEY--AND THIS GIRL--VERY WELL MIGHT BE. Impossible for him and us to tell who is a good faith editor. TheoryOfPractice 11:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
In this case, where no actual Wiki content is being altered, most reasonable people would assume good faith. ListenerXTalkerX 15:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I belive this is legit. Their responses are not parody. They could have written some really weird shit in there if they wanted to. They would not have contested his decision as they did, and they would not have just deleted all reference to themselves and left, if they were a parodist. This is a classic case of Andy's paranoia spilling over into his teaching. CrundySomeone was giving booze to these animals 09:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need a new page for all this. CrundyAsk me about my complete lack of interest 09:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Size...

Is it just me, or is the size of this article almost stalker-ish. I'm of course very happy that everything is sourced and referenced but it's like every single little pointless detail is in there... ArmondikoV...I'll baste your ooze! 17:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we should have the details. We are not saying anything that he has not put out urbi et orbi on Conservapedia. ListenerXTalkerX 17:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I know, and I agree. It just strikes me as "obsessive", which is why I was against making it the main article. As I said, it's probably just me, trying to check if anyone else felt the same. ArmondikoV...I'll baste your ooze! 17:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Headers

We really shouldn't be using top level (single =) headers, but right ow I'm too lazy to add an extra = to every single header in the article so I'm just going to raise the see also and footnotes to single = for now. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Nx. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Papers

I have added all of Andy's publications that I can find through my school's library. I think that it is interesting to look at his publication record, but it probably needs some explanation. Feel free to revert and talk here.-- Antifly Merged with Infinity 22:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I tinkered with it a bit, but it fits well there I think. Be nice if we could actually link to them, though. Do you think his name should really be in italics in the creds? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I added references to all of the papers except the VLSI one which only exists in hard copy. Only the breast cancer paper is actually publicly accessible.
I think we should add some more information in this section. This article should steer clear of snark, but I think its important to point out that Andy's publication record is so laughable that he never makes reference to his prior work. Also, we should critique the publications that have accepted his papers. I am probably not the best person to do this, do we have a medical or lawyer type, and an engineer type? I know that the IEEE publications are not high-quality journals, and certainly wouldn't be considered worthy of any note by a scientist.
Feel free to un-italicize his name. I thought it would be good to highlight it to set it apart from the rest of the text.-- Antifly Merged with Infinity 00:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Attorney Andy

The article mentions that Andy graduated Harvard Law in '91, and was admitted to the NY state bar in '93. Is such a two year gap, mmm, unusual? Andy's nemesis (Obama) was admitted to the Illinois bar the same year he graduated...--WJThomas 01:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The gap's fairly normal if he clerked for a judge immediately after graduation. A clerkship doesn't require bar membership and some people choose to take the bar at the end of the clerkship instead of right after law school.

[edit] Andrew Schlafly on Colbert Report

Holy crap, Schlafly was on the Colbert Report tonight. I'm still having trouble understanding how someone who studied engineering at Princeton and law at Harvard could be this dense. I will post a link to the show when I have time.--Wet Walnuts (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Wet Walnuts, Mr. Schlafly's appearance on the Colbert Report has been pretty much the sole topic of discussion on the entire Wiki today. ListenerXTalkerX 05:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] You've changed, you used to be cool

This article was way better when it was funny, with 'I can't believe it's a law firm' etc. 91.104.69.154 (talk) 11:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

That version of the article is now at Andrew Layton Schlafly -- Nx / talk 11:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Charge of Hypocrisy

Would it be worth pointing out in the section that discusses Andy's beliefs about the lack of abilities of girls in math and science that he is married to an MD, and his daughter is an Electrical Engineering major? That seems quite hypocritical to me. MDB (talk) 11:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

True, but as his family isn't really involved in CP or politics, I would argue that it's best to leave them out. Corry (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Expertise

Just noticed that Andy doesn't seem to have ever claimed any expertise in his degree subject (Electrical Engineering). Shome mishtake shurely? yummy Toast&  honey(or marmalade) 05:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Something left in the archive by an idiot

uhhhhhhhhh I see a sentence in the first paragraph that says "Strictly young earth creationism" yet i see many articles on conservapedia that give many different viewpoints including the viewpoint that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and not created by god...careful with the wide sweeping generalizations... — Unsigned, by: 97.96.45.172 / welcome this user / contribs

That's just because Schlafly doesn't know they are there - other people write CP, you know. Witness the recent whitewashing of the astronomy articles of any reference to more than 6000 light years. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
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