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Hey goobers, it's my talk page!

Just so's you all know, I have a distinct preference for continuing conversations on the talk page they start on. Otherwise my aging brain hurts! (ie, no table tennis conversations, please)
Anyone is welcome to nominate editors for demotion to sysop, and discuss the nominations here.
Sysops can summarize the nominations here

Let me rephrase that. If you have edited RationalWiki for several days, and haven't wreaked havoc (in an unfunny way), why aren't you a sysop!?!?!?!!?

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See the history of vandalism to this article

So what is next?

Now what? tmtoulouse ^nettle 19:25, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, polishing up AotW:Cpatheism for Monday, but that's "easy", right? Isn't it time for a drink again? Hahahahaha, lemme think of what we need... ħuman 19:33, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Yea AOTW needs doing, figure we would aim for sunday night at this point so we are back on our old schedule, I also really need to get the Best of bot working with the new WIGO. So can do that? Are we doing something with the other wigos? tmtoulouse ^nettle 20:13, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, the other WIGOs next "best ofs" too. Full automation would be nice... move the "end of section" thing I put in WIGO CP each night to about 5 entries down from the EZ edit button. When total list hits about 75 entries, move 50 to archive/best of. Build archives til they have 100 or 200 entries, then start another... By the way, I mellowed out the buttonz on the intercom a bit. ħuman 21:11, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Blegh, archiving is a whole other beast...so I have a new version of best of bot that works with the new wigo. After vandalizing the main page, it seems to be working now :). Check out how I am handling the archiving of wigo votes and see what you think. I added a "closed=yes" parameter to the wigo and that turns off the voting on that instance of it and instead adds small vote total at the end of the item. tmtoulouse ^nettle 00:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Okay, Best of will nightly adjust the EZ editing section for each WIGO. Once a month it is set to archive and send to Best of WIGO CP. It creates an archive for that month, then moves everything >10 over to Best of and sorts by up votes. So we should wind up with an automatic monthly archive, and a Best of per month ranked by the voting. It leaves I think 15 entries after an archive. Etaroced 23:29, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

The other WIGOS I am not sure they get enough votes to justify a "Best of" or enough entries to justify anything but infrequent archiving probably best handled manually. And size of pages means a whole lot less than it used to since there is no longer a hard limit and also since you don't have to reload the page per vote. Etaroced 23:30, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Half your idea

Come help :). tmtoulouse ^nettle 17:00, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Heh, I'm back to disapproving the whole concept. People can make their own bookmarks ;) ħuman 17:51, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

Eh, that was my feeling. How hard is it to drag and drop and build what matters to oneself? Way the hell easier than arguing to customize the site to one's own preferences... I could argue that all my "personal" hotlinks should be sidebarred - but it never occurred to me to be that lazy. The time it took me to write this comment would have been enough to create a tab of bookmarks. ħuman 00:01, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Rounding error

:P <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 15:27, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Hehe... they did actually round it the wrong way, but still. ħuman 15:28, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

You're right. I probably wouldn't have covered it in the article if I'd noticed how close to a whole number it is. It's still a number they pulled out of thin air, though... <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 15:30, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Right... you just grabbed the wrong joke ;) The 48/61 itself is BS. And that's a tiny sample! ħuman 15:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Especially considering how small Swedish people are. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 15:38, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

By the way, I've replied to you on talk:Narconon. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 15:54, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

Block Reasons

If we created a random selector for funny phrases (like we do for Signatures and the Bush countdown thing) and then posted that into [[1]] Would that create a random block reason? Or would it just freak the site out and cause massive harm? SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 15:26, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm thinking it might be possible. First make the random reasons as a template, then try adding it as {{random block reason}} to the list and test immeditaly after creating to make sure it works. I see no reason not to try. ħuman 15:29, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

PS, you spelled ellipses wrong, I think... ħuman 15:31, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Three things: A, sorry about posting that on your page... That's what I get for Rationalwikiing from work I suppose. 2, I will try that and see what happens, and III, no, it was intentional... no one ever gets my intentional misspelling gags...... ::Cries::SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 15:36, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

How about "el...ipses are fun"? ħuman 15:40, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

That's good, I'm gonna steal that one. :) SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 15:50, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

More Holydaze

I have the last of the month thing working. So now it displays a hard date in the Gregorian calendar, the #th (fil in day of the week) of the month, the last day of the month and Easter in any year (I thought of a quick fix later that would have been alright for the next 97 years or something of that order). If we had some extra functions we could also automate Islamic and Jewish calendar events as easily as the Gregorian. Anything else you need? $\approx$$\pi$ 22:52, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Most of what you are doing seems to be working, congratulations. Here's the hard part to keep in mind: document how what you're doing works, so people less skilled can work with your production and not create disaster? In other words, write a "help" file (noincluded at the holydaze page) that explains how you accomplished all this stuff? So if other holydaze get added, people can do it right? PS, awesome work, I can't wait to go "live" with it. ħuman 23:12, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

IP Block

I don't think most vandals know anything about proxy IPs. Look at Jinx, for example... ^_^ <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 16:32, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Maybe trolls don't but vandals do. tmtoulouse ^nettle 16:38, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Why? Vandals are just people who've stumbled onto the site and decided they don't like it. They're less well-versed in these things than trolls. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 16:51, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Every vandal that I have seen is just a standard "wiki" vandal ala GRAWP/Hitler is a sensitve man. tmtoulouse ^nettle 16:55, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

No they aren't! We have exactly two serial vandals. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 17:01, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, we have a rather large number of vandals - and most of them are sysops. They just don't vandalize RW. ħuman 17:04, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Do I detect a Jellyfish reference, Human? :) <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 17:08, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Rule #1: We don't talk about Fight Club. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 17:07, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, actually, we do—just not when anyone's listening. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:11, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Shhhhhhhhh! ħuman 02:14, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

How do you feel now?

Do you feel bad and ashamed... or liberal, after this grave accusation? Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 17:43, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

For the public:

• 15. A preference for complaining rather than submitting new entries. Many liberal editors have complained 9 times more often than they have made a substantive addition, which violates the rule against 90% talk per 10% substantive edits. In some cases this has even necessitated blocking accounts.
• 20. Instead of just correcting a grammatical error, liberals like to dramatically announce their superior ability to correct other contributors. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 17:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, man, why do I have to read about everything that happens to me on CP here on RW before I know it's happened? ħuman 18:33, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

That's what RW is for! WIGO, WIGO Talk and the occasional Talk page notice are much faster and more efficient than skimming through all the CP Recent Changes. Happy to oblige! Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 18:36, 29 August 2008 (EDT) (going back to self-imposed block)

Redlink

Sorry, my page has been like that for quite a while, I understand why you changed it, but in the future could you please just leave me a message instead of changing it yourself? Thanks, I appreciate it.The Alien^{Sick Freak!!!} 02:30, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Sure, I'll try to remember that... but as I said (?), obviously you are free to revert. No offense or trespass intended. ħuman 02:37, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

That is fine, no offense taken. I really could care less.The Alien^{Sick Freak!!!} 21:25, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Fred Phelps

Is Fred’s contribution acceptable? This has been deleted many times. Proxima Centauri 13:40, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads-up. Someone else already reverted it... ħuman 17:06, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Seems to me like we have an obsessed detractour... ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ My computer has two mowses!

Hallo

^{— Unsigned, by: Chaos! / talk / contribs Please sign your comments by making me a bureaucrat.}

Hullo ħuman 23:30, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Hollo.

Gone all depressing now :( <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 23:31, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Hillo.

I told you not to eat all those tongue depressors! ħuman 23:33, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Hɘllo.

No you didn't. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 23:38, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

Hollow.

Dang, you're right. Well, next time remember how icky you felt after eating them this time. ħuman 00:58, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Defacement

I didn't de-face, I added faces! --Kels 20:11, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Hehe... ħuman 20:14, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Samuel

If you have any advice on how to make this less wordy, please let me have it. It's just so damned long of a book, I'm having trouble writing a concise synopsis. --CS^{impacted with knowledge} 03:12, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

It looks fine to me? ħuman 17:00, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Goat!

Did anyone notice that Deletedpage is now the fourth most-popular page? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:47, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

No, but why don't you tell everyone now that you sort-of can? But at least make the link to "popular pages"... Also, are you off "probation"? Gonna do better in school this term? Can you use us for "homework" credit at least? ħuman 23:51, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Was that sarcastic? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:53, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

No, my parents are just being nice and letting me use their computer for an hour or so each day. And I'm not going to school this year; I'll be getting a job instead. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:53, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

No, silly, it was "friendly". I hope things are working out for you! The tell "everyone" thing was a suggestion to put it on the "random" intercom... Some hot crackers are slow on the uptake sometimes ;) ħuman 23:58, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Dollhouse

It's good to be here...but isn't this the goat monkey house? Or has Kurt Vonnegut lead me astray? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 00:24, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Whatever it is, you're home, bro. ħuman 00:25, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

It's Slachthaus Fünfzehn for fundies.   ^Contribs_Talk 00:37, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

<sniff> It's so good to be home. PS: Human, I completely missed your directive at the top about keeping conversations to one page. My apologies! --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 00:53, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

No blood, no foul. Glad to have you here. Your signature is a source of endless amusement (for tonight, at least). ħuman 00:58, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Finite infinite amusement is my speciality. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 01:03, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Please

Would you please demote me further, and bureaucrat me? Pretty please? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:05, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

After all this time, I have finally grasped the policy behind demoting people If you trust 'em, demote 'em! Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:05, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

By the way, your suggestion to link to Conservapedia via the intercom was epic phail. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:05, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Dang, I thought it was a good idea. Maybe we should ask Trent to add that function. Oh, and the beachrat thing? You're too angry and issue-oriented for me. Maybe some other beachrat might be convinced? ħuman 02:18, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I see. Thank you for telling me why you feel I shouldn't be a bureaucrat—I hate being left in the dark on people's reasoning for behind that sort of thing. And I dislike the idea of hitting up all the other bureaucrats. It would feel too much like that trick kids use to get around a firm "No" from one parent by going to the other. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:25, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

By the way—what do you mean by "issue oriented"? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:25, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

"Oriented to issues". Ask Ed how to stay on mission and contribute to a wiki. Ask him to recommend you as a beachrat, if you really think you want the responsibility. Personally, I think your 'rents made the decision for us... ħuman 02:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Sorry for the rather rude responses above, RA, it appears I was not being very nice. When I suggested asking another 'crat to do it, I did mean explicitly that I was fine with that - kind of the opposite of the "asking the other parent" thing - ie, you wouldn't be "going behind my back". I'm not saying "no you can't be one", I'm just saying "let someone else do it"... ħuman 21:41, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I understand now. And thank you, Human. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:43, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Look

if you want me to go away, just say so and we can discuss it. However deleting my work when I am in the middle of doing something (check the times) is . . . well fascist behavior _ or Stalinist or are they the same thing? i forget. So how 'bout you just back off for a second or two. okay? Carptrash 21:33, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

First, I have no idea what you are talking about, can you at least tell me which article? Also, the nature of a wiki is that is "live" - other people are editing at the same time as you. If you are trying to work intensively on something, leaving a comment so people know what you are doing makes sense, so they also know when you're done. Oh, and try not to take things personally if possible... ħuman 21:36, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Swastika And I've already been identified (correctly, I might add) as as having few lucid moments. This is not one of them. Carptrash 21:39, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey, I take things personally all the time, yet I do just fine. : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:40, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Copied from Kels' talk page: "I am trying to edit the Swastika article, this picture is part of that process. However while I was uploading this picture, a slow process in my part of the universe, sorry, my edits to swastika were deleted. And so it goes. You guys are pretty trigger happy here. - Carptrash" The trouble was that the "intermediate" (?) edits made no sense. As I mentioned above, letting others know you are "half done" will tend to ease such problems. ħuman 21:44, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

That wasn't especially helpful

I was going to write something here, but I think the title encapsulates my point quite succinctly, really. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:19, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

And is utterly opaque???? ħuman 01:21, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Your comment on my page was what I meant.

But do you know what Ed@CP was talking about there? I do wish people wouldn't panic me by saying inspecific things like that... <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:22, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

See, that's why pingponging is silly. I'll go check out your jellypage... ħuman 01:24, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Even worse. See me after class.

<font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:25, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Do you even know what happens to a jelly when it is turned upside down and left to dry out??? ħuman 01:27, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Goes to Jelliheaven. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:28, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Exactly. Is that a sad or happy jellything? ħuman 01:42, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Jelliheaven and Jellihell are the same place. So, both. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:45, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

That sounds nice. Do they both have grapes? ħuman 01:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

No.

Oh, wait: yes.

No, hang on. I was thinking of "suffering". There is a lot of that in Jellihell. Suffering, not grapes.

What was the question again? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:52, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Human

Calm down, OK? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:43, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Just to avoid confusion (yeah, I know), I was talking about this: [2]. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 01:45, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Heh, thanks, I'm fine, it's just when I encounter such utter garbage (supreme court cases misnamed??? WTF) I get pissed. Let's at least "try", people? Thanks for your concern, though. ħuman 01:49, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

You know, Chaos raises a valid point. You do have a bit of a temper, and all it does is take people aback and, often, hurt their feelings (which I can't help but find ironic in light of what you said above). Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:06, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

He certainly does. Have you checked the diffs/article in question? Misspelled Supreme Court cases? It was only an edit comment... not a general perspective. ħuman 01:22, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

"Rockway" -> "Rockaway"

Yeah, it's the latter; it was a typo on my part (which is why I never did well at CP) MIP 17:42, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Eh, no biggie, I just wasn't certain if the change was correct, not being a "local". Someone seems to have intimate knowledge of the subway ventilation system, they might should be reported to teh FBI and DHS. Especially if they are peeing in them... ħuman 17:49, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Personally, all I know of Far Rockaway is from this song. Not sure what that says about me, to be honest. --Kels 21:36, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Was that "Rockaway Beach" by the Ramones? That's what I based my edit on ;). Google map it. Neu Yawk has lots of "outlier" culture... ever hear "Coney Island Whitefish Boy"? ħuman 22:17, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Not until now. =3 Thank heavens for YouTube. Although now I'm on an "old rap" kick, looking for 3rd Bass, MC Serch and Dream Warriors. Too much to hope I'd find an old Toronto crew rapper called Donovan, though. --Kels 22:25, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Best of luck to you! I was never a big [glue sniffing] Ramones fan, but I am aware of their more relevant tunz. PS, glue sniffing is bad for you. ħuman 23:28, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

As for the vents for the subway, I'd say the knowledge is more perverse than intimate. But I don't take a piss in public, trust me. Except one time when I was in Salt Lake City during the Olympics, but that is for another day.

P.S. - that was the first time I used the word "perverse." What a silly word. MIP 00:42, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Btw, do you know why CP doesn't have an article on RationalWiki? I was soo looking forward to what they had to say but, I'm assuming this is Conservative deceit, it's a redlink. MIP 00:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

I prefer to stay above ground and share cigarettes with occasional "bums" - I dunno, just guys without butts? And I pee wherever it looks good ;) but I still watch for cops! ħuman 00:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

'Cause they suck? ħuman 00:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Here's the deal : [3] - Andrew gets the last word, he's so smart. No one else can comment for at least eight hours... that's why. ħuman 00:47, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

I see you discovered my leftover InvisiBlocks

This might explain it, if you're still mystified. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 19:34, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehe, interesting. I don't bother with RC, but I do check the current blocks fairly regularly. Especially since I seem to to get blocked every day or two, it's the easiest place to unblock, um, the "innocent" from. Didn't I undo some others a couple days ago? ħuman 20:03, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

They were invisible on RC as well, though. Bwahahaha! Anyway, yes, I think you went on another unblocking spree recently. It's always perversely amusing to me when you release a vandal ahead of their scheduled unblock time with the comment "time served" ^_^ <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 20:06, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

RC is what you said at the image page, you silly. They were perfectly visible at current blocks. Hmmm, unblocking vandals after a couple of days? Block that long are highly frowned upon here, a short block for cleanup and then putting them in the vandal group is what we do. ħuman 20:10, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

I usually block for 8 hours these days. Although a number of days might be suitable for a persistant troll. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 20:21, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Eight hours is more than enough. Days is just silly and pointless. The vandal group makes life here very boring for persistent trolls... both of them. ħuman 20:44, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Now, be nice...

And please don't delete my latest off-mission, issue-oriented : ) venture, the Museum. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:01, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Aren't we supposed to be able to talk about these things?

You know, the template classification effort does serve a purpose. Can we at least talk this over before mass reverting? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Better idea: let's "talk this over" before mass weird categorizing? See how talk works? Idea, intercourse, discussion, then mass reworking. You program seems to be "I can, therefore I will", with no discussion with anybody on the site at all! ħuman 01:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

*Sigh* That's makes things exponentially more difficult. But you're right—I should have discussed it first. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:51, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, your ideas were probably good ones, but discussion helps a lot. We'd probably need to do more than just cat a bunch of templates, we'd need to figure out where to show those cats to people. I know, I know, you went through a lot of work (all that default sort stuff), but you've got to get a few people working with you for the final results - have you ever tracked how Trent & I work together at times (and then present the beta version to the mob)? Really, all you need is another "power user" working with you (hint: the edit comments make everybody else back off in awe) and you could probably do what you are trying to do. ħuman 01:55, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Incidentally, I think RA's categorisation thing is a good idea. It could be more useful than our current template list -- although it obviously couldn't replace it completely. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 21:56, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

It very well might be - but shouldn't we talk about it first? ħuman 23:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Sure, that's what I'm trying to do. In fact:

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We should categorise our templates! It's useful!

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We shouldn't categorise our templates. Why change things? Things are already quite good. If you change them they might become... bad somehow...

There, that should get the debate started. Feel free to rephrase the second one :) <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 23:52, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

You oversimplify. Sure, we should categorize our templates. But, what should the categories be? ħuman 23:56, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

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We should categorize our templates in a way that is transparent and useful, and easy to use, and offends no one (ie, calling their pet template "silly")

Yes, but don't forget:

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We should not worry about that, because "silly" is a compliment.

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We should discuss every one of the endless permutations of this scheme before we do any editing. There's details to squabble over here, people!

You forgot to sign and indent your comment. Bad cracker! ħuman 00:03, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

How am I a cracker? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 00:04, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Incidentally, have you seen the Nag of Four yet? It's a classic. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 00:06, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Would you like a jellybaby? ħuman 00:07, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm torn between two different (yet equally creepy) interpretations of that offer. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 00:09, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

That was my intent. Why only two? ħuman 00:14, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

I wasn't counting slang terms. I think I've counted about five now. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 00:16, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Pwntacles! ħuman 00:40, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Once again, we have the wiki to ourselves...

Perhaps now is the time to put into motion your plan to convert RationalWiki into a gardening encyclopedia? I won't stand in your way. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!^{Sock of BluesPotion, et al} 21:55, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

Silly! I already tried! Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:37, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

I have already surreptitiously uploaded various gardening images. The grand plan perhaps is not ready to be unfolded tonight (awkward passive voice?), but soon, soon... ħuman 23:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

"Phail"??

Come closer so I may sting bite you. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:02, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

If you can't deal with phailing, you are not honorable enough to me a mouse in my trap. Eek! ħuman 03:05, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

I still don't see how that can be classified as phailure. This is the cutest sig on RationalWiki. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:08, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

I didn't classify it, I merely judged. As someone who has personally led over fifty mowses to the compost heap. ħuman 03:11, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

You just hate miwce. Mowse-hater! Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:12, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

"Miwce" want to shit in my ceiling. They try to eat my soap. I set traps, which break their backs. Then I compost them. ħuman 03:13, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Those are mice. Please pay attention. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:16, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Tempermental

I've noticed that you get very tempermental late at night, Human. And it's been getting worse. Perhaps you need to cut back? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:45, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your concern :) I will think about it. However, should an article read:

Title

Is an idiot.

Also, bought sex toys.

Is that good writing? No, it should read:

Title

Title is an idiot, and, also, bought sex toys.

I'm in favor of complete sentences in general. They communicate better. ħuman 23:58, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Certain? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:07, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but you needn't come on so strongly about it. It takes other people aback and reflects poorly on you. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:04, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Should I ask nicely for people to write in complete sentences? Like, many times I proofread badly written prose, and all I EC is "copyedit" - or, even in the case of egregiously crappy writing "tyop". A lot of what gets added to this site reads like low-grade WIGO-CP comments, and needs imrpoovmints. Sometimes I EC my frustration at this, yes. All I am trying to do is make things I come across on here read better. ħuman 00:10, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

I understand that, Human. But when you drop "fuck" into a sentence, you come off as ANGRY MAN. As in, "ANGRY MAN IS ANGRY AND WILL CRUSH YOUR TESTICLES FOR WRITING THIS INCOMPLETE SENTENCE". It's not very diplomatic. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:15, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

True. I should remember to say "please", instead of "fuck". Wait, aren't they synonyms? ħuman 00:18, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Only when professionals use them. : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:19, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Your edits

Keep editing my grammar from Central Appalachian American English to New England American English will you? ;) Like my ma used to say, if it ain't broke it don't need fixed. Where'd you learn to talk like that, Hahvahd? (this is a joke) Secret Squirrel 09:25, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehehe... didja evah reed mah extry speshul olde Noo English fahmah tork at UFO? (Or was it at alien?) ħuman 17:10, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Phi

What do you think about making the Phi on WIGO a permanent fixture? It looks undeniably right where it is now, and I think it's a sweet gesture on Kettles' part.
I think you should know that if you refuse I intend to go over your head! To... er... the Beatles. Yeah, that's right. What do you think of that, then, huh? Not so tough now, are you?? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 01:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm all for it. It's sweet right now, and will become the ultimate in-joke as time passes. I just hope things work out for the kid. ħuman 01:50, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Copying an article?

I would like to import this article to RationalWiki Christian morality. Do you agree? If you like it please copy it yourself. I'm sure once it's imported the team here can develop the article and make it original. Proxima Centauri 04:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

You realise that RW is not actually dedicated to antitheism, don't you? There is nothing in that article that fits our mission. Try essayspace if you really must. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 05:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Essay:Why Christian Morality Sucks ^{— Unsigned, by: Proxima Centauri / talk / contribs}

It appears to be getting rather a bumpy reception... ħuman 16:34, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed. I'll look at it tomorrow. It's late here. Proxima Centauri 16:39, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

You are going to ...

... add how the existence of unicorns shows the YEC is true to the Conservapedia article, are you not? (Sorry, I guess I'm ban baiting...) Sterile^snore! 13:46, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I’m pleased you like the Uncyclopedia article. I’m not allowed to rate it even with a sockpuppet account. You can rate it. Proxima Centauri 02:06, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought it was funny, yes. But I may not have been reading it in the way you intended... still, funny. Rate it? I guess I can, however that works... You're welcome. ħuman 02:10, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

How do I "rate it"??? ħuman 02:11, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, nevermind, I see the "stars" thing in the left border. ħuman 02:12, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

LHC

Hey Human, check the link to an awesome LHC pic on the LHC:Talk page. I cant upload it myself due to my work computer operating on a scale that makes a abacus look fast. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 20:49, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up, I'll go check it out! ħuman 20:54, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Those pics look good man Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 22:27, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks! It took a while to find them at the CERN site, there's kind of a whole series of the ATLAS (and other detectors) being built over the years. Thanks for sending me off to find them. By the way, they can be had in very high resolution versions. They also have pics of Peter Higgs checking out the bosonator... ħuman 22:30, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

I would kill for my own Bosonator. I get the impression it would pump out some awesome bass. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 22:34, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Just imagine if they diverted the entire project into being the world's biggest mp3 player?! ħuman 22:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Now thats a project I would proud to be a part of. Hell, those proton beams also mean it could probably grill a steak pretty quickly. Ace McWicked^{This Talk Page is growing rapidly} 22:40, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, and they have plenty of refrigerator space available too. Seems like a waste to just use it to hassle subatomic particles, when it could be The Big Bangerator Backyard Grill! ħuman 22:43, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Now then

Please state your reasons for deleting Chaos is great. And be prompt, please, I am a busy fish. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 02:35, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

An untruth in the title ought to be enough reason, Aschellyfisch. ħuman 02:37, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

And what is your argument that the title is wrong? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 02:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

"Chaos Is Not Great, or How Jellyfish Poison Everything". : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:42, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Fine then. Why did you delete 49.9999 percent of Florida, then? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Obviously, signatures tell more than users do, these days. I stepped on a mowse. It went squish. It doesn't work anymore. ħuman 04:24, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

You know the drill

User:Tmtoulouse/test. tmtoulouse ^nettle 21:02, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Did you ever figure out the editing problem? tmtoulouse ^nettle 00:06, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

I was supposed to figure it out???? I just can't edit the (sliver bar) pages. I could "add" a slider thing (on your test/talk page), but then I can't edit it. Or any of them. It's very weird. Do we need to perform an experiment? ħuman 00:10, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

I have zero problems editing anything. Without more information I am at a loss. tmtoulouse ^nettle 00:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

Can we ask another user to try? It might just be me, it might just be you (ie, you have huge, large, giant, thick, and long permissions!) ħuman 00:25, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

One thing we talked about

The "custom" best of thing we talked about was the most interesting for me so I pieced up an initial alpha release here. It displays all the WIGO items in a formatted table sorted by total votes and gives the option to set a "cutoff" value. It is a start. tmtoulouse ^nettle 19:47, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah

That was a joke reason. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:02, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah! I wrote it. Do better! ħuman 03:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah! Take a chill pill. You were the only one who was angry. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:06, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah! Eat some gravel. Angry? No, just bored with childish games. Not that I don't like childish games - as long as hey are... funny, Fred. ħuman 03:08, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Bah! Baaah!

Ahem. I was only attempting to admonish you a little for your whimsical vandalism of RA's userpage. What goes around comes around, you know. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:10, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I improved her user page. Of course, she can undo it. After all, a cigar is just a tubular device for oral gratification. ħuman 03:12, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I tried to "improve" yours in turn, but it seems nothing can compete with what's already there ("Cabbage wedge gank"). Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 03:14, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC) Right. And in return, I improved your block log. Now please to stop corrupting us kids with your incorrigible cigar gags :P Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 03:15, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Paws off

I already preserved that, thank you very much :P Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 19:01, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Preserved what? Oh, the red telephone thing? Oh well, now we have two copies... ħuman 19:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Three, actually. Susan grabbed the plain text. Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 19:49, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehe... ħuman 19:50, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

PAGENAME

sends you to HUMAN not User:HUMAN. (You've got the old ones there still too, or is it just me?   ^Contribs_Talk 20:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

<Annoyed> Where did that Il template come from? Could someone document it </annoyed>   ^Contribs_Talk 20:52, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I know, I am not perfecting it yet. Need to have NAMESPACE too. I assume we want to make it universally usable? Which will make some aspects a pain, lots of conditionals... I dunno who made Il but I like it. In fact, I just improved it. ħuman 21:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, the old ones are still there (I think). As far as the template documentation... you mean adding it to the monster list? Check history and see who added it? Not many people know that the help lists exist. ħuman 21:22, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I've made it atemplate - can be modified but main use will be for user talk pages & the varioius WIGOs which could just have individually tailored ones - No? (I knew nothing of the IL thing & its template page tells you nothing unless you're very wikisavvy)   ^Contribs_Talk 21:26, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

OK... and what did you call it? ħuman 21:31, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Userhead - isn't there a CSS thingy that gives a transparent background as opposed to white? that might be nice.   ^Contribs_Talk 21:37, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

You know, this thing really isn't ready for prime time yet. And a transparent background would make a jumble whenever it's over something else. I'm gonna keep playing with my version - which I intend to make completely portable, with any luck. template:Userhead link is for me to find it easy. ħuman 21:40, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

I like it but impoovement always good! :-)   ^Contribs_Talk 21:41, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

It's ok - I feared you had just copied over what I have, which is purposely in the "wrong" place while I play. What you made looks like it might be useful - the "new section" link is the most important, I think, with "top of page" a distant second. Anyway, no harm in having many options. ħuman 21:44, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Thing is; it's simple - requires no input from user & can be understood easily. If you have to start parsing namespaces, it's gonna be complecks & might(?) require user input.   ^Contribs_Talk 21:48, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

My goal is simplicity. Since the code can ask things like "if namespace = debate then/else", it ought to be possible to make a version that works anywhere, and floats exactly over the existing tabs - eventually. But yours is handy, since I may never finish mine ;) ħuman 21:50, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

There was some snarking about the one on WIGOCP talk, so I killed it. Look at my User page top right, how's that one?   ^Contribs_Talk 15:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I copied and modified your version, see to your left. ħuman 17:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

THANKS

I appreciate the feedback on how to put in links. I'm not particularly wiki-skilled at this point. I run a web site (www.opposingviews.com) that has expert debates on lots of related topics. Technically I'm not allowed to show any bias, as the CEO, but let's just say I REALLY LIKE this site ;). I didn't put in all the names on the debates because I thought certain ones would be more relevant, and many of our debates have 4-6 participants, so it could be very long and spammy. Any help is always welcome. MisterFine 11:25, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

You're welcome on the link help. As far as the names, the one I changed I figured it ought to at least list the prime arguers on each side. You might want to tread lightly with adding links to "your" site, make sure that what is there is really good, to avoid having people think you are just link-spamming. Glad you like this place, perhaps you can find a way to add a link to us here or there if it seems appropriate. ħuman 14:48, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Avoiding

I'm consciously avoiding commenting on a couple of user's contribs 'cause I'm liable to go Over The Top on them - you're doing a fair job on them - keep up the good work.   ^Contribs_Talk 15:09, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Hehe, admirable self restraint in the face of all those rainbows (I assume...). Don't forget to print out what you just wrote and tape it to the gin bottle ;) (Ooh, I could use that bit of advice myself... if only I could read when deep in my cups!). Oh, and thanks, I try. ħuman 15:33, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

And a certain "Libertarian" (& I'm banned from booze for the foreseeable)   ^Contribs_Talk 15:40, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm not one of them, am I? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 15:48, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

No, I think of you (and Chaos!) as the pets we keep to display their antics to amuse visitors.   ^Contribs_Talk 16:00, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Susan, I am shocked and wounded. If you must defame and injure me, Judas, will you at least use my real name? Pretty please? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 16:06, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

If you'd stick to the same one two days running, then I might. (No offence intended - I like my pets -except when they do a whoopsy on the carpet!)   ^Contribs_Talk 16:15, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

New Nav Box`

Heh! it's off the bottom of my screen. - use "Bottom:0px" or similar?   ^Contribs_Talk 17:36, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

changed it to bottom:10px, I do prefer the top/right version - it's easier to mouse to for me but whatever floats yer boat.   ^Contribs_Talk 17:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Do like the <small> played with font-size - never thought of small!  ^Contribs_Talk 18:02, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm, I really don't like it in the bottom corner, it interferes with things. Are you stuck on the PDA again? I'll hammer at it more in a bit. ħuman 18:06, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Urgh, 'nother "bug" in counting from teh top is the toolbox size varies... and if go bottom up enough to clear the google ads & stuff (we have to do that), it's gonna block the toolbox on a short monitor/window... ħuman 18:10, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

My screen's 1280x 800 & the thing's not visible, where is it? I assumed it was off the bottom.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:13, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Now it's appeared.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:14, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The conflict with toolboxes & ads is another reason for top righting it - jeeves brought my attention to it on the WIGOcp one.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:17, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The trouble with top right is that it will almost always be obscuring "something". Shame to have to allow for small screen :P. Does my current version here obscure the toolbox when in the "home" position for you? wait, 800 high? I had to set to start at 640 from the top, you should have seen it. Hey, can we combine it with Jeeves "hide/show" code ya think? ħuman 18:35, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes it's all over the toolboxen. the 800 screen comes down a lot with all the toolbars @ the top - that's what must have done it. The standard WWW3 screen is 800 x 600 to allow for old & small machines I think so it's probably not a good idea to work top down. (The EEEPCs have fairly small screens) Trouble with Jeeves code: It'll wipe out any div with plainlinks so not too good? probably just usen it on user areas where it's a matter of personal preference, unless TMT can make the whole top of the page float with the screen.   ^Contribs_Talk 18:58, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

800 x 600 is so silly, but yeah, I still "build" to it on my webshites. By Jeeves I might have been thinking of BobM's - you remember the little boxes that could expand/collapse? Might not work well, just a thought. The top float thing could be done with frames, of course. But it would be a nightmare to integrate that with MW ;) ħuman 19:28, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, you meant his collapsing boxes - good idea - thought you meant the code on WIGOcp that he wrote to remove the box entirely in javascript.   ^Contribs_Talk 19:31, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

yeah... at least that way if a link someone wants in the toolbox is blocked, they stand a chance of getting to it. So, anyway, is it really a nightmare to get them overlapped on a short talk page? Like here on mine, you can scroll down a tad and expose the toolbox, right? Most of the point is to deal with talkies like mine, or WIGO, that get ridiculously long? PS, isn't it redundant to have a link to the talk page, on the user talk page-only version? ħuman 19:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

See User:SusanG/Pagelinx   ^Contribs_Talk 19:49, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The same page link acts as a reload/refresh button & means you only need one for both pages.   ^Contribs_Talk 19:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

OK, I guess... I would never reload like that (wouldn't know where any changes were, if any), but... ħuman 19:56, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Me neither but if you're in a conversation with someone you can just hit reload 'til they reply? (Microsoft: It's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE)   ^Contribs_Talk 19:59, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Might even (IDEA) be able to let the positioning be user inputted with default to top right or mid left - dunno if you can use variables inside divs though.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:02, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Should be able to use variables, one would hope. I copied and tweaked your new version, too bad "hide" and "show" are not "small" too... as far as the reload to check for reply thing, I just close my talk page and go back to obsessively reloading my watchlist. The orange box does the rest... ħuman 20:04, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

undent

Give me a while before tweeking any more - I'm experimenting with variables & it's getting hairy.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:17, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

No big deal - I'm only altering the one on this page when I see things I like, your subpage and user talk page are your sandboxes, I don't alter them. Good luck! ħuman 20:23, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The one on my user page now works like: {{name of template}} puts it top right, {{nameoftemplate|left}} puts it top left; {{nameoftemplate|left|bottom}} puts it bottom left; {{nameoftemplate||bottom}} puts it bottom right. How's that? Exact positioning needs sorting.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:31, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Sounds good! Just matter of tweaking the margins I guess. Shame that they'll be all over the place ;) No one will ever know where to look for them! ħuman 21:59, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Side-by-side

I still never figured out that side-by-side template stuff, just for kicks could you at some point toss myths about homeopathy into one or find someone willing to? It is one of the few crazy CAM non-stub articles at Wiki4CAM. I would like to stab at it when I am bored.

I'll give it a shot. Quick tutorial - the current version of the blank side by side is a series of table. Headers outside table, each table has one row, two cells. That way it's easier for people to edit and see what the result will be (they don't get mucked up "half tables" on preview, eg).

So: we've stopped signing, have we?

Yes?

As commanded, the whole pile o'mess awaits our responses at Wiki4CAM: Myths about homeopathy ħuman 19:23, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Honestly!

What is it with you and hammers? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 22:55, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

"This user is handy with tools" ħuman 02:47, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Sounds like a challenge ^_^

Consider it done... Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 00:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, thank you! I just couldn't stomach it, having read it all once. Just put it on your hard drive in some clear way (at least to you) for now? And then we'll discuss how to present it at Andrew Schlafly (no jokes) talk page? Anyway, if you can grab all that, you're my hero. Not as much as you are RA's hero, but still. I'd like to build some sort of side-by-side with it, but I'm not sure how, yet. What I want to show is how that prick silences, censors all intelligent comment about how clueless he is, while maintaining that smug veneer of lawyerly "above it all" neutrality that he affects. I'd like to see the final result hit the blogs (with massive due credit, hoping you get it done, to "Pink", of course) ħuman 00:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Message

Hey Human, PJR left a message on your CP talk page telling you that he answered your question on his talkpage, so I am leaving a message on your RW talkpage telling you there is a message on you CP talkpage that there is a message to you on PJR's page. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 04:59, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, thanks! Oddly enough, if anything happens to "me on CP", I usually hear about it here first... ħuman 15:58, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm Done

I'm also fairly disgusted. What's to be done with our Dossier of Doom? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 11:53, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, thanks! Well, the best idea I've had so far (and it's not really that good) would be to use something like the "side by side" format, where anything that survives deletion is on the left, and deleted talk is on the right, with timestamps of when posted, when deleted, by who (usually assfly) and the edit comment for the deletion. That way we'll have the "entire" talk page in chrono. order, and an easy way for anyone to see what teh assfly kept (scroll down looking at the left) and what he deleted (and "why"), by scrolling down and reading on the right.

Alternatively, we could build the "entire" talk page in chrono order, and bold all deleted comments with a note saying when and "why"? Do you have any ideas? ħuman 16:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, at the moment, I've got the whole thing as a series of diffs, like this:

(cur) (last) 09:34, 20 September 2008 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) (58,926 bytes) (reply re: Point 5)

:::::Aschlafly, have you read the paper on z-transforms which explains the statistical technique used? You can download a .pdf copy of the paper for free [http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118663174/abstract here]. --[[User:BillA|BillA]] 06:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

:::::: You say "statistical technique used," but you should have said "statistical technique ''cited''." In fact, a close reading of the Z-transform paper provides more support for Point 5: combined studies must be weighted based on sample size:

::::::: "When there is variation in the sample size across studies, there can be a noticeable difference in the power of the two methods, with the weighted Z-approach being superior in all cases. As such, we should always prefer the weighted Z to the unweighted Z-approach when the independent studies test the same hypothesis."[http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118663174/abstract see p. 1371].

:::::: In other words, the cited paper actually ''supports'' Point 5.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:34, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

</face>

It sounds convoluted, but it's actually quite easy to follow, and it shows up stuff like reversions and vandalism in perfect, accurate detail. (It's also a lot neater in the actual document than I could get it to look here :( )Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 16:13, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, that makes sense. The diffs are all the data. So that would make it easy to build my second suggestion, as a series of timestamped diffs, right? Perhaps we should then put anything that got deleted in "bold" to make it stand out? Shall we try to build it in a sandbox first, or go straight to a "live" version in the CP namespace? ħuman 16:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I vote live. The formatting on this thing is going to take some time to get right. Shall I paste the whole raw thing into some unsuspecting page? Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 16:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, put it all here: Conservapedia: Talk:PNAS Response to Letter I think that works well enough - unless you prefer to use Conservapedia: PNAS Response to Letter talk page (I'll de-link whichever you don't use once you decide). ħuman 16:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Dont forget User:LArron/PNAS Response to Letter

Yes, I saw that. It has its pluses and minuses - it's a bit hard to tell who wrote what, and uses and awful lot of "page height", but it's quite the project. It certainly won't hurt to have both versions around, I think. They could "see also" each other. ħuman 16:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I'll certainly work on the format, the generation of the output is quite flexible. But what do you think about this ? --LArron 17:39, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Interesting (same 'white" space problem, of course). Can you get your script to strip the links? ħuman 18:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

New Deconvert.

Well, Human, I have just joined the ranks of atheists... now how do I manage this thing? Any hints or words of advice from an experienced atheist? ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ My computer has two mowses!

Well, the nature of atheism is such that I don't think there is any advice to give. I do believe we have a atheism FAQ for the newly deconverted. But my personal view is that if you have what it takes to become an atheist, then you don't really need any advice. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:29, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, RA's link will help. Hopefully, so will parts of our atheism article, which I tried to write some of. First words of advice: Don't fret about gods, since you have decided they don't "exist". Don't sweat the Bible, as in, wasting your time arguing against it. Don't worry about religious issues, unless they encroach on your politics/freedom/government etc.. You "don't believe". End of story - and, perhaps, end of a waste of energy. Better to spend your energy on finding your own core, your own goals, your own friends, your own answers. Enjoy life, treat people with respect, get a little exercise now and then (aw, how does MPFC's Meaning of Life end, exactly?). If you want more, I'll try to write more, or suggest resources? PS, Don't be an "angry anti-Christian" or "angry anti-religionist" in your spare time. If they leave you alone, ignore them. Privacy and optimum use of resources, etc. ħuman 00:20, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

GL?

Your signature on the forum references it, and a comment by Cracker mentions it. Who or what is "GL"? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:12, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

User:GodlessLiberal. Oh, and THERE IS NO CABAL, moron! ħuman 00:06, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

What Cabal? I meant the forum in general. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:10, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

The next person that mentions the cabal that does not exist will be kicked out of the non-existent cabal damn it. tmtoulouse 00:12, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I happen to practice Kabbalism, so that may be a bit difficult. : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:31, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

What is that, some sort of religion? Pleez to wriet artikl? ħuman 00:35, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd love to, but Kabbalism is a sort of uber-spiritual Jewish theology which requires an entire degree in philosophy to understand. In other words, I don't actually know anything about it. : } Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:39, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

And yet, you practice it? Understanding vs. acceptance? ħuman 01:14, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

I was joking. I don't practice it. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:16, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Wait! Isn't Madonna like, really, into it, you know? Isn't it something about wearing a raw cotton wristlet? ħuman 01:06, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Footnotes

"Footnotes" is the proper term for what they are. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 01:21, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Can you at least say that smarter? I'm on your side, but your style could use improovemints.

I made my "style sheet" "references and notes", because in general, pages sometimes had "references" and sometimes "notes". I agree that "footnotes" is simpler - but can you argue your case (with which I pretty much agree) in a more intelligent fashion? Pleez to use moar werds. Also, if we agree to "change" the style, we should get Trent to bang out a 'bot that changes them all for us. Labor saving device, that's what I consider Trent to be ;) (In his copious spare time, anyway) ħuman 02:14, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

"References and notes" is rather cumbersome. More importantly, at the bottom of each page in the more academic nonfiction books, authors cite their reference material, along with any notes too lengthy or tangential to fit in the main text without breaking the flow, at the bottom of the page—in other words, they put their "references and notes" there. These are called "footnotes". Then, later, at the very back of the book, they give the full bibliography of every goddamn work they're drawing from. We won't ever have bibliographies (that's for stuffy academic materials, not us : ) ), but we can at least have the decency to use the proper terminology for our "references and notes", which is footnotes. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:39, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Sounds good to me, and one benefit would be reserving "references" for lists of books, etc., that were used in writing an article - kind of like a bibliography of sorts. Let's just change them as we find them, and I'll ask Trent to write a bot to just go change what we don't run into en masse - that is, unless you want to go through every article from A to Z (I see you usually don't get past "Ahem") and score a thousand "quick" but tiresome edits... ħuman 21:57, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Endnotes Endnotes Footnotes Footnotes Footnotes Endnotes Endnotes (typo testing). I think that "endnotes" actually makes more sense. The "footnotes" thing is sorta "at the bottom of this page of text", whereas "endnotes" is "at the end of this piece". And some of our pieces are obviously longer than one "page" (earc, ie). So which is easier to type? Endnotes Footnotes... I see them about equal. References is all left hand but one letter, and so sucks. Endnotes bounces back and forth a bit, but is still heavily "one handed" Footnotes is slightly more balanced... Hmmmmm. ħuman 23:12, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

I vote "footnotes" out of purely personal preference, but I won't oppose "endnotes". Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 15:34, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

I vote footnotes too. It looks more... professional, I suppose. Pink_{(I wouldn't say no to "feetnotes", either!)} 15:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

And both are equally easy to type, as demonstrated above. I guess footnotes is more familiar to most people of course. I've seen quite a few books where the "footnotes" are explanatory, and the "endnotes" are the citations (to avoid unnecessary clutter on the pages, and probably to simplify typesetting). I only brought up endnotes so we'd consider it before dismissing it ;) ħuman 15:46, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Endnotes are the work of the Devil. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 17:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

So you are arguing "for" endnotes? ħuman 17:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

No, I'm arguing for footnotes. Footnotes are nice and fluffy and immediately accessible. Endnotes are inconvenient and evil. Of course, it doesn't really matter here since our footnotes will also be endnotes, but it's a point of principle. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 17:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

This is probably the first argument Human and I have had that has actually produced some semblance of "community consensus". Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:14, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Aw, wasn't there another one about six months ago that at least did not result in wiki-fisticuffs? But, yes, thank you for your clear explanation of why we should use "footnotes", I agree, and of course AK, when you said "endnotes" was the devil's work, at first I thought that meant you approved. But now I realize otherwise. Soon I shall drop this in Trent's lap to botfix sitewide (unless one of you beats me to it). ħuman 01:02, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Capture bot beta

User:Capturebot/wigo. tmtoulouse 02:09, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Renaming vandals

How do I rename vandals? I'd like to rename User:Fred 8. Seriously I'm an admin on sereral different controversial Wikis. Legitimate users might ask me to rename them for good reasons. Proxima Centauri 04:11, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

It comes with the extra mop & bucket of Bureaucracy.   ^Contribs_Talk 04:14, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

You're a bureaucrat on Atheism Wiki aren't you? The rename function is at the bottom of the special pages. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:16, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Why the need to mention "controversial"? Vandals appear on every wiki, even the most boring, uncontroversial ones. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Just thinking, don't know if it's automatically in the software or if it's an extension.   ^Contribs_Talk 04:21, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Yup! It's an extension: "Renameuser".   ^Contribs_Talk 04:26, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Watch User:JuanK, he seems to be some type of sock. Proxima Centauri 14:39, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Why, are they being funny? Socks really don't bother us much here, we actually encourage multiple user names ;) But thanks for the heads-up! ħuman 15:22, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Does no-one get the pun in his name? Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 16:22, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Wonk? Junk? I dunno, I give up... ħuman 16:24, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I know you're just being obtuse Huw, but how about hwank? That's really for the benefit of Proxy, poor love. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 16:28, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Suspect

Is funny. Pink_{((And "elect" isn't))} 20:22, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Ya think? Grammatically, the sentence reads clunky, and the word itself "refers" to nothing around it. Are we edit-warring? :) Fun! ħuman 21:01, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

But saying "no one would elect etc etc etc" doesn't actually make sense. And as far as you "refers to nothing around it" thing: nothing in that article is particularly logical -- it's not supposed to be. It's snark! :P Pink_{(Not shark, though)} 21:06, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

The image does illustrate the section on his failed bid for the House of Reps... now, "no one" is a bit strong, perhaps it should say "sensible voters", but... anyway - "snark" is not random jokes, it's highly pointed jokes. ħuman 21:12, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

PS, if it was in a section questioning his ("grooming") fondling of homskollars, then it would make perfect sense. I think we might have an article on grooming, and he might be the illustration... etc.... ħuman 21:13, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

(EC)It was highly pointed. It pointedly pointed out his amusingly evil smile. Now it points out nothing (while still inexplicably retaining the same wording as the joke it used to be), and as such is not pointy or pointed at all. It is pointless. If you want the caption to be topical, make it so, but don't leave the brutalised and mutilated humour in as though it can still pass as a joke if it looks vaguely like one. You gooseberry. Pink_{(Yes, I called you a gooseberry. What are ya gonna do about it, punk?)} 21:20, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, all it mocked was his slimy smile, with no real "point" to what he might be "suspected" of. Groomer does exist, let's make sure the joke is there, and I'll try to improve the "elect" version for the AS article? ħuman 21:22, 30 September 2008 (EDT)