Talk:Young Earth creationism

Don't mind me...just doing a little copy-editing.--PalMD^{-רפאל ליפשון} 10:35, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Can we get the Jesus on a dinosaur pic up? Or would that be a cheap shot?--Bob_M (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

It wouldn't be very accurate. If I recall some of the dinosaur discussions, it would hae to be Adam, Eve, or Noah on the dinosaur.Prof0705 11:12, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Latest edits by Conservative

I'm not sure where to put this but here is the latest version of text by Conservative on the Ordivican period:

The Ordovician period is a theorized second period in the theorized Paleozoic era. It is posited that it started approximately 500 million years ago after the end of the theorized Cambrian era. Most of the phyla which are living today is posited to have existed at the beginning of the Ordovician period by those who assert that the earth is billions of years old. Evolutionary scientists assert by the end of the Ordovician period, the first land plants, bryophytes, evolved and began to colonize the land. The Ordovician also is claimed to have seen the evolution of fish. The Ordovician is posited to have preceded by the Cambrian era and succeeded by the Silurian era.

More of this and CP will be completely unreadable. ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳ^Hello?/_{I did this!} 15:44, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

And this on the Pleistocene:

The Pleistocene epoch is a theorized period of time that is said to have occurred 1.8 million to 11,000 years ago. It is during this period that modern man is theorized to have evolved The Pleistocene is also posits frequent glaciations. Many large animals went extinct at the end of this theorized period including sabre toothed tigers, wooly mammoths, and neanderthals, our sister species. This epoch coincided with ice ages which ravaged the earth as well as interglacials. It is thought that the Pleistocene ice age is still ongoing and that we are merely in another interglacial althogh global warming may result in a superinterglacial. This will delay or prevent us from going into another ice age.

How did he overlook the neanderthal bit? ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳ^Hello?/_{I did this!} 15:52, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I hate when he opens his webbrowser and edits things.--TimS 15:54, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Considering that he has to have read a lot of research I am amazed that he still is a YEC. I guess his ignorance is absolute.--TimS 15:55, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Conservative doesn't research things, that's been made clear ages ago. Most of what he posts comes from quote mines, and the remainder from Google searches on various word combinations, then skimming for the most damning stuff he can find. There's not an intellectually honest bone in that body, I'm afraid. --Kels 16:09, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Honest? Surely you mean there isn't an intellectual bone in his body? XD Trashbat 16:14, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

His? I went through C's talk page, diff by diff, and it's really funny to watch him try to conceal his identity, even down to not admitting his gender. Of course it's staringly obvious, but it's funny to watch him pretend we can't figure it out. --Kels 16:30, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Re:Google searches - you might like this and this. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Haha, I totally remember that exchange! --Kels 16:30, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Holy Shirt!

173 references!? You sure this guy doesn't have OCD or something? --Kels 21:11, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

On the one hand, it's better than 0. On the other, he doesn't seem to understand that quality matters more than quantity. --jtl^talk 23:27, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

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Dawkins quote in intro.

I ahve removed this quote from the introduction: But Richard dawkins himself put it beutifully: "It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." as it doesn't' seem to really fit.--Bob^{bing up} 06:50, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Cover Story Nomination

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• Nominated by Barbara Shack Marghanita Laski 05:25, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
• I vote "yes" human 21:43, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
• Yes. DogP 21:25, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to have a lot of body at the moment does it?--Bob^{bing up} 04:26, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

It needs fleshing out. SusanG 04:56, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

A Plea for Tolerance

This article attempts to give a scientific refutation of some elements of what you call Young Earth Creationism. It ignores the Fact that people’s Belief’s are based on Faith and not on Reason. It is an Unjustified attack on Reasonable Rational religious people. I don’t dare to edit the article myself because, having spent a short time looking at the site, I fear that I would only receive Disrespect. So could I please ask that some of the more resonable editors review the artiqule so that it shows that Faith is as valid as science as a way of looking at the world? Stephen Gould, who was Wrong on oh so many other things, was at least able to see the Validity of Religious Thinking. I see that similar comments need to be made about many things you, perhaps without thinking to deeply, label, pudoscience. Thank you.^{— Unsigned, by: 78.47.210.67 / talk / contribs}

Assure you, we've thought about it. :-) SusanG 13:36, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah...probably not. PFoster 13:37, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you so much for your positive responses. May I suggest two articlres - one showing the athiestic view shown here and another giving proper respect to the religious view? ^{— Unsigned, by: 88.198.15.112 / talk / contribs}

Feel free to write one. SusanG

Refuting YEC does not equal atheism. It does equal not ignoring every bit of evidence about the age of the earth and universe, though. It is quite unlikely that an apologia for Young Earth beliefs would survive unscathed on this site. But you're free to try to write one (and there is always the essay: or debate: namespace). human 14:03, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

But the two views are equally valid, eqully rational - shoudl they not have equal space? Tolerence.

No they're not! SIGN!!!! SusanG 14:12, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Mr Gould does not agree with you I'm afraid. Tolerence. (How do I sign?)

I know they are equal with the same force you have faith they are not. but I do not criticize you for that.Tolerence 14:23, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

When someone's faith makes a claim about something that is within the realm of the scientific method, it is quite fair to attack them. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean it is immune from criticism and testing. If I was to sincerely believe the Moon was made of green cheese (because my holy book said so) and someone showed me a moon rock and said "no its not" - that would not be an unfair or unjustified attack on my beliefs. As to refuting YEC from a inerrant and literal point of view, I suggest reading Answers in Creation (not Answers in Genesis). --Shagie 15:09, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

The problem with this 'plea for tolerance' is that many Young Earth Creationists have, in effect, made a sustained attack on science by claiming that YEC can be proven scientifically, and, together with many Old Earth Creationists, and Intelligent Designists, have been attempting, repeatedly, to try to get creationism taught in schools as science. What you're seeing here is, in effect, a response to that - a refutation of the idea that YEC (and, indeed, on other articles, OEC and ID) is in any way scientific. The very term 'Young Earth Creationism' is actually a term that is almost exclusively used to refer to this idea when it is being talked about as a 'scientific theory' (to be entirely accurate, it is actually a 'scientific hypothesis', or possibly even an example of a 'conjecture'), so it is entirely appropriate to write this article to address YEC as such. Zmidponk 15:15, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

All that you say may be true. But I cannot speak for others. I do not, in fact, beleive in a young earth, but many do, and for them it is a religious belief. this artiqule is an atack on those religious beliefs. Many hae to believe in spite of the evidence, that is a true example of faith. Tolerence 15:21, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

No; that is an example of stupidity. SusanG 15:24, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Tolerence, I am curious as to whether you write all the YEC web sites asking them for a more open-minded view of science? And whether you show such tolerence for people of other faiths, asking Christian web sites to please remember that there are other religious beliefs and they should not describe their faith as if they were the only correct one? Rational Ed^faith 15:27, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

C'mon, there are better arguments against this than 'others do it too'. That's not going to solve anything satisfactorily. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן ^{שְׁלֹום}

You've misinterpreted. I'm not making that argument. I'm asking if Tolerence is consistent in his or her concern for fairness. Why should I waste my time discussing the point if s/he is just using the issue of fairness as a rhetorical device?Rational Ed^faith 19:02, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

(undent)Here we have a problem. If YEC is a religious belief, what's its god/gods? What's its holy figures? What's its holy texts? YEC, in and of itself, is not, in fact, a religious belief. It is actually part of other sets of religious beliefs. Nobody is actually a YEC purely due a religious belief in YEC. They are actually a Christian, or Muslim, or Jew, or whatever, and part of those beliefs is the belief that the Earth is a lot younger than science suggests and created by their god. Additionally, most people who actually call themselves YECs (as opposed to Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc) actually claim that YEC is science. Therefore, you have to address YEC on that basis. Moreover, on reading the article, I fail to actually see a direct attack on the religious beliefs in question. It only actually states what YEC is, a few details about it, then states that much of science completely disagrees with it, and gives examples of the kind of things that many folk who claim YEC is science do to attack modern science, basically, because modern science says it isn't. Zmidponk 16:05, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Obviously YEC is not a religion. It is a Religious Belief. as such it should be covered by the primciple of NOMA and should not really be subject to scientific attack.Tolerance 14:28, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Of course it should be subject to scientific attack! It makes scientific claims which directly contradicts every single piece of evidence, apart, of course, from a 2000-year old MIddle Eastern fable/novel/biography. Not very convincing evidence, really. DogP 14:33, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflict) I wish that were so, and it might be if not for many of the believers of YEC. It is of no fault but their own that they open YEC up to scientific criticism. Because they attempt to find scientific evidence to back up YEC beliefs, they then must accept scientific criticism of those beliefs. --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 14:35, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

I disagree. the soul could be examind seintificlly but NOMA tels us that it should not be. Why should YEc beliefs be diferent? Tolerance 14:37, 9 April 2008 (EDT)