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help with mathematics - catenery - hyperbolic cosine curve

I am trying to write a script to drape a chain in a 3d program and was using parabola. I am told a chain is actually a catenery, a hyperbolic cosine curve. y = cosh(x) esentially. The problem is calculating the curve if the endpoints are known and different heights. Anyone know enough about this to suggest a solution ?
Oh, anyone know of a band called Aerosmith , song Dream On , my niece sent me a download she payed for herself. She thinks its from the 1970s. :) Hamster (talk) 03:29, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually ignore idiot Pi, it help to write it out as Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle \cosh x = \tfrac12\left(e^{x} + e^{-x}\right)} . The smallest value it ever obtains is 1/2, so adding and subtracting a constant will effect the final height. The slope can be effected by scaling x. - π 03:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and I do, and they are. Good song. Google the "toxic twins". And the "Gateway Arch". ħuman 04:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC) PS and "catenary", I think. ħuman 04:12, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Pi was about right the first time around. Up to translation a catenary is defined by Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle y = a \cosh (x/a)} . So the general form for a catenary, scaled and shifted to the right place, depends on three parameters Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle a,b,c} (just like the case of a parabola):

Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle y = a \cosh \left( \frac{x-b}{a} \right) + c} .

Say you want it to go through the points Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle (0,0)} and Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle (E,F)} . You need to find the values of the parameters to make it so. When Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle x=0} , you want Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle y=0} , so

Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle 0 = a \cosh \left( \frac{0-b}{a} \right) + c} ,

so Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle c = - a \cosh(b/a)} . To get Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle (E,F)} you need

Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle F = a \cosh\left( \frac{E-b}{a} \right) - a \cosh \left( \frac{b}{a} \right)} .

But that gives use two equations in three variables. You need one more relation to uniquely pin down the parameters -- the length of the chain between the points! Otherwise it's not determined. This is just like how there are many parabolas through, say, (-1,0) and (1,0), given by Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle y = c(x^2-1)} -- you have to specify the length to figure out Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle c} . The length of our catenary is given by the arc-length integral

Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/":): {\displaystyle \ell = \int_0^E \sqrt{ 1 + \left( \frac{d}{dx} \left( a \cosh \left( \frac{x-b}{a} \right) + c \right) \right)^2 } \, dx = \int_0^E \sqrt{ 1 + \sinh^2 \left( \frac{x-b}{a} \right)} \, dx = a \sinh \left( \frac{b}{a} \right) + a \sinh \left( \frac{E-b}{a} \right)} .

Now you need to solve for a and b given these two equations. Probably you'll want to use some numerical method to do that, I doubt it's possible to find an exact solution. Maybe it's easy to just find good way to numerically approximate the parameters directly. Or just use a parabola, who can tell the difference really. --MarkGall (talk) 04:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I now feel dumb for struggling with the substitution rule for definite integrals. TKEtoolshed^{Frag Out!} 05:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I now feel dumb for struggling with the conversion of waffle ingredients to a British measuring system. Then I read CP and realise I'm not as dumb as some.-- ^{Spirit of the Cherry Blossom} 12:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

ok, thanks for the replies. The code is to be written in python which is very fast, it may be possible to just try a range of values. Hamster (talk) 21:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Damn uncyclopedia/dramatica!

I think i need to stop going there...these people are hateful and offensive but at least they do it for everyone(no favoritism) but still...i hate these people!Waronstupidity (talk) 04:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I like going there but they have really creepy ads that make me look weird when people walk in my room. TKEtoolshed^{Frag Out!} 05:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

i think they need to get a life... i never saw so many Disgusting and offending article on any-other place... even /b/ are nicer, that why i wont go there anymore these people are fucking asshole. Waronstupidity (talk) 05:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Well it has been said that RationalWiki is an over-glorified /b/. - π 05:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

A but what about /g/ at RW? I just made /g/ up. Perhaps it stands for "goat". ^{— Unsigned, by: Bob M / talk / contribs}

And at the height of the troll-baiting and bickering, it is. ^{d hominem} 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Some stuff over there is gold, but I can't hang. Those people are creepier than you guys, and I'm creeped out enough here as it is. ED is the creepiest place next to a /b/. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 18:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Obviously nor enough time on the net if RW qualifies as creepy. -- CodyH (talk) 08:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Obama... now i dont agree with you.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/yahoocanada/100414/canada/the_finger_wag_that_launched_a_thousand_blog_posts He scolded Canada Prime minister! Waronstupidity (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

What, because of a single still image that appears as though he is condemning the Canadian Prime Minister? Even reading the article it says that the image is completely out of context. Grow up. - π 05:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

shut the fuck up moron i was SARCASTIC, damn......i think its you who need to grow the fuck up.Waronstupidity (talk) 05:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, it is hard to tell when INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS or not. - π 05:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

i used the word SCOLDED that doesn't really fit in a serious political post, with his big finger he looked like a angry father scolding his son.Waronstupidity (talk) 05:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe not in Francish, but it makes perfect sense in Englich. - π 05:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

also swearing make me COOL! its on mah RWW article. Waronstupidity (talk) 05:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright for those that have RWW articles, obviously I need to up the n00bishness Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 15:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That picture is so full of win. Canada is our bitch. Someone needs to make a witty image macro out of that. Canada - NOW YOU LISTEN HERE ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed that the pic is full of win. Harper is an ass, and he's been ruining our rep around the world. The kind of guy who gets on just fine with a scumbag like Bush Jr., and would be only too happy to turn a perfectly good country into Jesusland North. He deserves all the scolding he can get. --Kels (talk) 16:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Icelandic ash

Bloody hell. First they fuck our economony, and now they're buggering up our flight schedules as well! What gives? _{Disclaimer: joke. Not blaming anything on the people of Iceland} Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 08:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Just on that - without wanting to sound all conspiracy thingy - is it just me, but have there been an awful lot of big earthquakes this year? --PsyGremlin講話 17:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been thinking that too, and I'm surprised there haven't been conspiracy theories about it (that I've seen, at least). Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 18:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

i saw one on a youtube comment, blaming it all on HAARP, but that's fairly standard for YT. Where's David Icke when we need him? Hiding in his secret base with his infrasonic earthquake device, that's where! Totnesmartin (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

And last year, remember the big tsunami was caused by a big earthquake, right? Or was that late '08? Either way, yeah. It's probably just a fluke though, but they could be related geologically. ħuman 21:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

2004 you mean? Boxing Day? Missed it by a day - left Phi Phi to have Xmas on the mainland. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 13:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey! a plane just flew overhead. Admittedly a small single engined thing, but the skies are open? ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 15:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

IIRC it only affects stuff at the sort of altitudes jet engines fly at: low-flying planes aren't affected. Stupid cubic Hoover! 13:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Just been out photographing the setting sun: big bright orange ball. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 19:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

On the move

Hooray! My application to live in somewher bigger than a red and white stripy workmens' hut has succeeded! I'll be moving in two or three weeks, and will therefore be offline for a bit from then, until I can afford teh innertubes. Totnesmartin (talk) 12:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Cool! Where are you moving to? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 15:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

About half a mile up the road, so I don't have to chnage my username. Totnesmartin (talk) 17:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Must be the gypsy in you. Gawd help your username if you ever move to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch. --PsyGremlinPrata! 17:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If I moved there my username would be the last of my worries. What if I got lost and had to ask the way? Totnesmartin (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

testing my sig

Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 15:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It works! Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 15:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to also test it in your sandbox or on your talkpage. SJ ^Debaser 16:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

This guy makes you look like a pro, SJ. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I know. And Waron. SJ ^Debaser 17:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Testing my sig too:DickTurpis (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC). Yep. That's it alright. Still workin' fine. DickTurpis (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

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Funny Godwin

I dunno how many of you keep up with politics down here, but here's a funny video on the whole Julius Malema / Eugene Terre'Blance mess, having a go at that stupid right-wing fucktard of a newspaper (Daily Star?) and their 'machete race war' crap. I'm sure you know Hitler's XBox... same clip, diff subs. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 18:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

An interesting poll on U.S. taxes

http://www.aei.org/docLib/AEIPublicOpinionTaxes2010April.pdf Where's the Teabagger's God now?Ryantherebel (talk) 19:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That's a TL;DR if ever I saw one. Know of any blogs interpreting the document and providing charts? 194.6.79.200 (talk) 11:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Fascinating. Especially as it is provided by AEI, a conservative stink tank. ħuman 04:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Live slap-o-meter

http://www.slapometer.com/ Watch the UK Election debate and slap your leader in the face. Live. ^{d hominem} 20:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

UK election survey

A survey which tells you who to vote for here. EddyP (talk) 20:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That gives 10% to the BNP and nearly 30% to the Greens, please don't implement this system ever. ^{d hominem} 21:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I have little confidence in a survey that claims " ... @gmail.com" isn't a valid email address. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 21:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Consider that in the UK GMail is called Google Mail, so try @googlemail.co(m|.uk). Stupid cubic Hoover! 21:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That was my first attempt, I retried with "gmail" (either works: it's a legacy from someone domain squatting yonks ago I believe) PH. I'm 25% Conservative, 25% Libdem & 50% Green (who aren't standing here!) ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 21:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Being able to vote doesn't seem to be all it's cracked up to be. Stupid cubic Hoover! 21:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It seems to have failed just after I clicked "submit", which is a shame. I was looking forward to finding out that I was actually a closet BNP member... ^{d hominem} 21:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Same for me. Must have been overloaded by the sudden influx of Rationalwikians. Broccoli (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

James the Preacher vs. Westboro Baptist Church

Who do you think is more insane? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOj6DCXZ40 --Mustex (talk) 22:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Aimchair psychologie?

WTF is it? can someone give me an explanation since i am officially the village idiot of this wiki. Waronstupidity (talk) 23:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Let me Google that for you... Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 23:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

(ec - google's results are not good enough for a lmgtf) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=armchair%20psychologist -- Nx / talk 23:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

thanks. Waronstupidity (talk) 23:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

(EC) @Nx: Damn, I was hoping to trap him into going to TVTropes, which was the first result. I never visit there anymore, since it's once you start it's impossible to stop. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 23:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated topic, Firefox has a built in spell checker ^Me!Sheesh!_Mine! 01:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Premusably he(?)'s using a French Canadian version though. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 01:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

His spelling is passable, but he has a very poor grasp on English grammar. Stupid cubic Hoover! 07:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Support this excellent artist

Good teeshirt could be official RW teeshirt. DogP^{Marmite Patrol} 01:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Horrid model, though. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 01:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

One of these days I will eventually get around to making a real RW t-shirt with the brain logo and all that. Someday. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 02:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

We have the logo. We even have animations. But we still haven't got around to posting anything onto Cafe Press. I think a brain logo on a mug with the phrase "You don't have to be rational to work here, but it helps" sort of thing. ^{d hominem} 11:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Brain logo with random slogan, plus "rationalwiki.com" of course. Trouble with cafepress, as I understand it, is if you don't sell some shit pretty quickly, they remove it. How about we just post some nice hi-rez printable shit here, and everyone buys color inkjets and iron-on paper? Works well. ħuman 04:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You WILL listen to this...

...in its entirety. Then you will click this link and skip to 1:45 and listen until the end of the song (crucial that you listen to the very end of it, startig at 5:10). And then you will come back and comment how awesome they both are. Capiche? --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 01:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Meh, nice, but tl;dl. ħuman 08:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Guess what some schools in Mississippi are still doing

It's 2010!--Thanatos (talk) 01:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm, frankly, not surprised. Just because de jure segregation is illegal doesn't mean de facto segregation doesn't exist. Especially in the Deep South. Lord Goonie ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 02:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Makes me think of the old jokes about rejected state mottos:

Mississippi: Come feel better about your state.

Alabama: At least we're not Mississippi...

I mean hell, look at the prom incident a few weeks back. --Ravenhull (talk) 12:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Good Rational Podcasts?

Anybody know good rational/skeptic/etc podcasts that are worth downloading. I work by myself on a midnight shift, so I've found podcasts something that help pass the time. I have found a few decent ones, such as The Reality Check by the Ottawa Skeptics and such. This would also seem to be a good article fodder for RW, for alongside the YouTube list. --Ravenhull (talk) 03:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been enjoying The Atheist Experience podcast, which is just the audio of the weekly TV broadcast, for a long time. You can get it off iTunes or elsewhere. 04:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Ja, Atheist Experience is pretty good. Non-Prophets Radio is also worth a look. A Christian and an Atheist is interesting, if only to learn a bit more about modrate Christianity. Point of Inquiry has some interesting guests, but I find it to be very hit or miss. ^{Ask me about your mother} 09:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

have a look here. The Skeptics' Guide to the universe archives. --PsyGremlinFale! 09:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Looking over my iPhone, I currently have episodes of The Conspiracy Skeptic, Rationally Speaking, The Reality Check, Skepticality, The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, Skeptoid, and Token Skeptic. Definately a wide variety of styles and content. I will say that I've enjoyed Reality Check because they present a rather fun atmosphere. Overall, I've found good in all of these that I've heard. --Ravenhull (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

You could try righteous indignation for some good stuff. On an associated point the BBC has a good selection of science and nature podcasts. Sticking with the BBC and a little off topic the daily "Friday" vote now podcast making fun of the British election is hilarious. --Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 10:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, I have created Rational podcasts. Please link to your favourites.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 14:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, The Skeptic's Guide is very good. Nature also has some great podcasts. Corry (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Help! Help, HELP!

I have had Wu-Tang Clan's "Bring Da Ruckus" from Enter the Wu-Tang: The 36 Chambers stuck in my head for at least three days. Normally, this wouldn't be a bad thing, but I'm waking up in the middle of the night muttering "Bring Da motherfuckin' ruckus" over and over again. I don't know if I can keep this level of intensity up much longer and I find it HIGHLY inappropriate to be bobbing my head to the tune while changing my son's diaper. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Try this song - [1] ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ I know Anonymous user subpoenas on Xbox Ones. 18:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

"This video contains content from Vevo, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." Bloody Australia.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 02:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I had this beat stuck in my head for a few days...maybe we can switch them? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 18:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Apparently this is the best song to sing to get another song outta ones head. SJ ^Debaser 19:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

You are all bastards. Now I have some weird mishmash of four songs, all of which I hate (well, strongly dislike), and shant be sleeping tonight because of it. Aboriginal Noise ^{Oh, what a lovely tea party!} 20:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

But, here. Get this out of yer headz. Aboriginal Noise ^{Oh, what a lovely tea party!} 20:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

only cure , not "achy breaky heart" cause you not in a coma, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA 199.242.176.85 (talk) 21:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

What a waste of a great voice. ħuman 03:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

None of you can complain. I have had the hold music from a hospital stuck in my head for days. Corry (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

three years ago i looked up the words to I've Got A Lovely Bunch of Coconuts, and that's been my earworm ever since. This might explain a lot actually... Totnesmartin (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I've always found the opening line from Aga do do do to be the most effective mental flypaper. --PsyGremlinSnakk! 11:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, shaddap you face. Real first name and last initial (talk) 12:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The evil one's come to sort us out (?)

The Iceland volcano by radar. Now that's really pareidolia. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 23:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

If skulls could have hairlips, that would be the image I'm seeing. Aboriginal Noise ^{Oh, what a lovely tea party!} 02:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm seeing the rabbit from Donnie Darko. ^{d hominem} 11:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Really? How did you meet? Totnesmartin (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thunderf00t vs Ray Comfort (sticky)

Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2FskTKrx40 Mei (talk) 23:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

For people who have not seen it. Mei (talk) 23:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Too good to let it go to archives so fast. Thanks everyone for the fish, and especially to Mei for being useful. ħuman 08:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Rationalwiki Volcano Club

Anyone else affected by this? I've just heard that my flight back from Perth to Manchester has been cancelled and because of the backlog I don't know when they'll be able to get me home. It's amazing how many people have been affected and things like fresh veg and flowers which are flown in from Africa have been put on hold which consequently affects villagers in Kenya who are being temporarily laid off. (Not that I really agree with flying packets of beans half-way round the world).  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 11:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Both of my real life friends are out of the country, and at least one of them can't get back because of this. Stupid cubic Hoover! 11:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It's light out here. I'm not sure if that is on-topic. Also, some prick has got his shorts in a bind over on WP at me, I don't know why. I suspect neither of these issues have to do with Iceland, but one never knows. ħuman 11:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

My aunt is in Italy with her family, her holiday's supposed to end today, so I don't know if she's gonna be able to get back. Lily, aren't you from Liverpool, not Manchester? SJ ^Debaser 13:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ha! She's got me all jealous: see here ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 13:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

(aside) This place is getting ridiculous, it's turning into a fiction factory: somewhere Human claimed to have a friend and now PH says he's got two. (Lil's tale is obviously wishful thinking.) ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 13:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

If it's any consolation Toast, I don't have any friends. SJ ^Debaser 13:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

And I haven't met one of my friends in months. Stupid cubic Hoover! 13:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

EC) Obviously, Josh, as a true nerd who's on t'internet 24 hours/day you and I and indeed everyone here don't have not no friends. Can't stand these folk what live in another reality. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 13:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Reality is so overrated anyway. I ventured into it earlier on this afternoon and there were too many people there. I only bother with it when a group of my social associates (not "friends") are at the pub. And who's to say that's a real thing? SJ ^Debaser 13:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hate to tell you this Josh, but what you think of as "reality" is just a butterfly having a dream. Now, do you want the red pill or the blue pill? And on a related subject, it takes a very special person to go, "Oh look, a live volcano! Let's go and live on top of it." --PsyGremlinSpeak! 14:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

And the air they breathe just burns your lungs anyway... ħuman 14:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

"Friend?" What is a "friend" anyways? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 15:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Anybody who replies to, or comments on anything I say on a blog/forum/wiki/facebook/4chan/myspace/twitter/e-mail/irc is my friend. But then, I don't have high standards. --PsyGremlinParlez! 15:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You know who else has low standards? Your mom. :D Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, is this one of those friendships where I actually have to give you birthday presents, or can I just grunt amiably within a week of your b-day and be okay? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I have a few friends , a some are real. I havent asked to borrow money so I dont know if they are good friends. Invite me over for waffles and I will be your friend. Volcanoes are inconveniant. They did spread the smaller animals after the great flood. Is the volcano making Iceland bigger , or melting it smaller ? Hamster (talk) 20:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Acevolcano.jpg

Ace vs. The Volcano..

Aceⁱ⁹ 20:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Idiots

An Irish journalist writes on HuffPo. Dawkins should be arrested for not screaming about "atheist" crimes. Wanker. Why evolution is true blog ^{Hat tip yummy} &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 14:45, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The HuffPo article is nothing more than the same old "Hitler was an atheist!" argument. But I did laugh at the part where the article calls biology and genetics "arcane fields." Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 14:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, I didn't read the second half of the article until now. What the hell do the fertility rates of atheists have to do with the Pope? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 15:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

There's an even stupider guy in the comments section. I can make neither head nor tail of what he's saying. Stupid cubic Hoover! 15:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The basic problem is that Dawkins has failed to deal with Pol Pot. His being unconnected and physically impossible should not be a barrier. Sems a good response to a guy hilighting the demstrable fact that the Catholic Church continues to endorse the involuntary sliding of clerical cock in to the arses of boys. Yup, way to grasp the bigger picture, Rory.^{Ask me about your mother} 20:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Did I really just see that?

While I don't like to add to the PeeZed liveblogging, please to be watching the video in this post and then telling me if that's actually real fox "news" programming or satire? I can't tell. Its hilarious, either way. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 15:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Power out

I just had a power outage that effed up my file system (or some such arcane^{[nice word]} thing) I did something called "fsck"^(?) 'cause that's what it told me to do & now it's all back. But now my file browser just locks up. Help? (Ubuntu) ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 15:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What does the terminal do? Try using ls, and see what that reports. Stupid cubic Hoover! 15:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, try running "nautilus", and check what it says. Stupid cubic Hoover! 15:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

EC) I can leap around in the terminal: many files are duplicated i.e. "Ed" and "Ed~" but there doesn't seem to be any hang up. In applications (e.g. gedit) I can move around directories & stuff, it's just file browser. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 15:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The files ending in ~ are backups made by gedit. -- Nx / talk 15:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What error messages does Nautilus spit out? Stupid cubic Hoover! 15:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

(nautilus:3733): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'UploadFinished'

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'DownloadFinished'

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'ShareCreateError'

Initializing nautilus-gdu extension

Nautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory(nautilus:3733): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'UploadFinished'

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'DownloadFinished'

• • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'ShareCreateError'

Initializing nautilus-gdu extension

Nautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory

Please ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.

^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 15:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

My guess it your .gconf directory got corrupted. Happened to me once when someone shut down a computer I was connected to using remote desktop -- Nx / talk 15:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What did you do? Stupid cubic Hoover! 16:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Delete .gconf IIRC -- Nx / talk 17:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Think I'll wait for next Ubuntu (due this month I believe). ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 17:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

And wipe your homedir? -- Nx / talk 17:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Alternately, you can just use the command "mv ~/.gconf ~/.gconf.corrupted", which will back it up. Stupid cubic Hoover! 18:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I hate to be a real jerk here, but Toastie darling, you've been on something like seventy machines since we met ya. Why do they all keep breaking? I understand the early days, you writing the help files on a handheld thingie while flooded out, but why don't you have a stable machine these days? Just asking, really, and curious. ħuman 16:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Twasn't the machine: my power went down. This is the fourth (4^th) machine in the last 4 years including 2 hand-held (or 'phones as some call them) ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 16:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, I didn't want to be the asshole here. And I remember you building the fricking help pages on RW on like a handset. But why is now your big machine dying? You are really computer savvy, far more than me. ħuman 18:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Her machine isn't dying, there was a powercut which caused the filesystem (that's the arrangement of files on the physical disc, not the disc itself) to become corrupted. The computer instructed Toast to run a program to fix the filesystem, which it duly did, but some of the configuration files for the file browser were left corrupted, causing the file browser to fail. Stupid cubic Hoover! 18:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

dunno where you live but consider a small UPS. they arent expensive and you only need like 5 minutes for an orderly shutdown. Hamster (talk) 20:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

That's why I love laptops, they have a built-in UPS (aka battery). Just ignore the recommendation to remove the battery when connected to mains power. --⁠ (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Great advice if you only want your lithium battery to last a bout a year. The main factor in shortening Li-ion battery life is heat. All Li-ion batteries start the road to death as soon as they are made. Keeping a three-quarter charged battery in a zip-lock bag in the fridge (not freezer) will extend its life. Use a proper UPS with cheap lead-acid gel batteries rather than leaving your laptop plugged in and warm all the time.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 22:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Guess it depends on the quality of the battery and/or heat flow of the computer. My machine is now some 3 years old, uptime around 8h/day on average. So far, the battery (never removed) still has more than 75% of its original capacity. --⁠ (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Misfortune

I went into the bathroom, stubbed my (bare) toes on the bath (who put that there?) hopped around, fell over, grabbed towel rail, towel rail detached from wall bringing plaster dust onto floor, flailed about, hit head on cabinet next to wash basin, mirror broke, cabinet door came off, Contents of cabinet spread themselves around room. Think I might go to bed. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 16:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like an average afternoon for me. I ran headfirst into a wall when I was something like 9 years old and I've never been on the same level since. Now I stay out of reality, as aforementioned. SJ ^Debaser 17:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

OUCH hope you are ok. Is your girlfriend at least tending your wounds? I would fix your bathroom fixtures, but, yeah I am too far away. ħuman 18:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds funny, but also sounds painful. Yes, go to bed - you'll be safer there.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 18:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

O bet you used little screws to hold your towel rail , thats usually fine , but it doesnt make a grab bar. Grab bar and lag bolts is what you want ;) Hope you arent hurt , hopping on broken mirrors is bad luck. Hamster (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

It seems that both RW and CP are undergoing lots of vandalism lately, is the culprit the same person/people? Opinions? Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 19:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Both Conservapedia vandals seem to be the same person. That's pretty much all that is obvious to me so far. Rodlen (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It's possibly connected. However, we have it under control because while we have no gun control (handing out guns left and right) CP has very strict gun laws, and only awards them to a few of the most trusted acolytes. EddyP (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Haha! That was good :P Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 19:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice one. Also of note: the return of DuncanB. Rodlen (talk) 19:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

A user named Cheerleader has registered at CP, they seem to be the same Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 20:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandals vs Parodists, round 9001. EddyP (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Fuck conservapedia. rational ghey (talk) 20:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Just don't let Human know that they've been breaking his Wiki. It'd make him cry. The Spikey Punk ^{I'm punking my punk!} 21:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course what they just love is to see people talking about them and speculating about them. So perhaps we should just ignore them.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 21:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Bob M is right, as usual, of course. Why should we even acknowledge these stupid idiots here? Gooniepunk2010 ^{Oi! Oi! Oi!} 21:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Also, talking about RW getting wandalized by the same person as is wandalizing CP doesn't serve TK's purpose, so there's another reason not to talk about it. Wouldn't want to do anything to undermine his authority for stating that RW is the "vandal site" would we? 21:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Another update: So, they had another vandal, Ramsey, warned by JulieWeis to stop vandalizing. However, JulieWeis turned out to be a sock of Cheerleader. Whoa. Rodlen (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Lifehacker on getting around Internet blocks and other slow-downs...

Article P-Foster (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

First Contact?

Sorry if it's a repost--What to do if you meet E.T. P-Foster (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

How useful!--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 21:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

That volcano again

So who is going to be buying a mask to survive?--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 21:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Remember to duck and cover under a blanket or newspaper--Thanatos (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

someone trying to hack my rationalwiki account.....

using the "forget password" feature.......damn..i keep receiving email saying someone asked a password change for my account O_O Waronstupidity (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

That happened to another two users recently. User talk:74.63.112.137. Rodlen (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

what should i do ? Waronstupidity (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Nothing. The email comes only to you. It's just a handy way for idiots to troll registered users of a Mediawiki installation. As well as a password recovery tool - David Gerard (talk) 23:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

(EC!!!) You can't keep receiving it because you can only receive one per 24 hours. And don't worry, it's just an annoyance, they can't break into your account. You don't have to use the temporary password, your existing password will continue to work, and the temporary one will expire in a day. -- Nx / talk 23:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you forgot your password, and the you forgot that you forgot it. --⁠ (talk) 23:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

This is actually the most likely explanation - David Gerard (talk) 23:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

well thank guy. but if you see me acting suspicious! it will be because CP hacked my account.Waronstupidity (talk) 23:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Based on your edit history I can only assume you account was hacked at registration . . . I kid . . . ^Me!Sheesh!_Mine! 00:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Good youtube lovesongs?

Ok, basically I've thought of a kinda cool idea for a stunt to win me some youtube subscribers (hopefully). Basically, I make videos to "ship" youtubers (they can be creationists, anti-creationists, ect, whatever I think is funny), but I want to do them as music videos, and I don't want them getting pulled, so I want songs that are available on audioswap. Sadly, the only two love songs I know on audioswap are Every Time We Touch (which I'm a bit reluctant to use, because its SO overused), and Time After Time (which, I intend to check the version they have, and if its good will be used for my shipping video of James the Preacher and Thunderf00t). Can anyone recommend any other good audioswap love songs?--Mustex (talk) 23:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Scratch Time After Time, it appears they had a different song of the same name.--Mustex (talk) 23:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Leaving

I'm going until p foster retracts his accusation of sexual harrassment, it was a gay joke btw, and stops being a general tit and looking for any excuse to pick an argument with me. Goodbye. Tweety^{let's have buttsecks} 00:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Care factor: 0. - π 01:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)