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http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#Future_web_traffic_growth_of_Conservapedia "Here is the latest Alexa data of Conservapedia's web traffic and it appears as if Conservapedia has had a significant increase in web traffic since August of 2009:"

Typo, or the ability to see into the future; you decide. --140.184.40.134 01:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Diff for the above Frohlich 01:31, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Assuming it was a typo, and he meant 2008, well, firstly, the categorisation of the web traffic being a 'significant increase' since August is debateable. Secondly, if you simply click on the 'max' button at the top, to get a wider picture, the current figures are actually merely towards the higher end of the range that CP bounces about in anyway. Could this be first known attempt to 'quotemine' a GRAPH? Zmidponk 15:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah it is up from 3 months ago, when we had our boycott. WE WIN !!!!1111!!One thousand, one hundred and eleventy!1111!!!! - User $\scriptstyle 4\sum _{n=0}^{\infty }(-1)^{n}(2n+1)^{-1}$ 21:25, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Rivendell

Seriously, is this the biggest deal Ed could find? I went and found a copy of the text, and it looks like there was just an honest mistake on Tolkiendil's part, since Lothlorien is called a city frequently, and the actual size of Rivendell really doesn't seem to be referred to anywhere. Did Tolk argue the point with Ed, or is he just latching onto any little error to paint him as History's Greatest Monster^tm? --Kels 10:20, 13 December 2008 (EST)

In the Hobbit, it is referred to as "the last homely house." --CPAdmin1 11:06, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Well, far as I can see, it says "the last homely house" is in Rivendell, but it doesn't say whether anything else is there or not. I don't think it says Elrond's place is the only structure there, although it could very well be. --Kels 11:14, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Tolkiendil likely assumed there was more than one house in Rivendell. There were alot of elves living in Rivendell other than Elrond and family. More likely its more a city in terms of its facilities and demographics than in its buildings. Ed's really nitpicking here. EternalCritic 11:16, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Elrond's house is called The Last Homely House (possibly nicknamed by the Hobbits who visited), which is one of the larger/largest structure(s) in Rivendell. It is not by any means the only house. There's also guest houses (where do you think the Fellowship and their respective cohorts slept?), and a notable other Elf named Glorfindel. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 12:16, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I think of Rivendell as mostly a waystation and military outpost. At any rate, it was big enough to withstand several year-long sieges, so... --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:25, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Wikipedia and even LOTR Wiki doesn't say explicitly so I doubt CP should concern itself too much. But Ed is always keen to learn... ArmondikoV^theist 14:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)

It all fits TK's MO of driving out any editor who isn't a hard-right fundamentalist Christian young Earth creationist. I don't know why Ed is doing TK's bidding, but it's abundantly clear that that's what's happening. JazzMan 14:38, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Are you referring to this diff, or did Ed explicitly accuse Tolkiendil of writing "city" instead of "residence" (WTF?) as an act of vandalism? ...At any rate, Rivendell is certainly presented as at least a large township in the films, and I don't remember feeling like that was a jarring discrepancy with the book. --Marty 03:59, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Kotomi

What's up with her? She seems to be generally respectful and thoughtful, but I haven't seen many of her edits outside her subject areas. Is she as straightforwardly nice as she seems? dream^ing _{Hail Eris!} 10:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Yes Bjones 10:31, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Far as I can see, yeah. I get a bit of a quiver at her Japanese stuff, but it's probably just a reflex from having been exposed to Fangirl Japanese too much. --Kels 10:33, 13 December 2008 (EST)

So I'm not the only one. Upon seeing her write "Kami-san" I knew I wanted to see her burn. Publius 10:40, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I can sympathize Kels. EternalCritic 10:55, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I've never seen her say anything I didn't like - she's even nicer than Dinsdale and HelpJazz.--Kriss Akabusi^{AAAAWOOOOGAAAR!!1} 12:07, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I am sorry for that, Kels, Publius and EternalCritic - it is just that some things are better to say that way. Kami-sama is God to us and always will be and I use mina-sama because it is more respectful to them than just saying 'everybody'. I will try to be more careful though. And a belated thank you to everyone for being kind (I hope it is ok, SpinyNorman said I would be ok here). --TokyoRose 11:17, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Good for you for standing up to everyone. Ed's little reply almost made me hurl, though :)-caius (spy) 11:20, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Offense wasn't intended. There will always be problems when Internet users don't understand the culture of another user. People who know how to be polite in their own culture will make mistakes in other cultures. Proxima Centauri 12:48, 13 December 2008 (EST)

(Don't EC me, bro!) Oh, not your fault, and nothing wrong with you. It's more a case that I've been exposed to way too many anglos trying to mimic that sort of language, and generally doing it really badly and self-consciously.

Back to your own post over there, I'm amused that RickD thinks the admins are just peachy keen and that they're following the "Great Commandment". Which is funny, since not only doesn't there seem to be a whole lot of love for anyone but themselves going on, but CP's own article on the "Great Commandment" is awfully fuzzy on what said commandment actually is. I had to leave the "christian friendly" CP and go to the Great Satan WP for a clear answer. And that's just sad. --Kels 11:22, 13 December 2008 (EST)

It's just a symbol of CP's EPIC FAIL. It's not for nice people of conservative persuasions; it's for blinded ideologues who want to spew about gays, "liberals," etc.-caius (spy) 11:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Tokyorose-san: As I told you moments before I was banned for 5 years, you are perhaps the person over there i respect most. The second most just got banned and deleted a day ago. As far as my sumpathizing over fangirls. I went to High School with some crazy otaku-ko. Its rampant use of the word "kawai" and "sugoi" etc that drive me nuts. EternalCritic 11:35, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Hi Rose. It's really nice to see people being respectful at CP, although sadly rare. Good luck! dream^ing _{Hail Eris!} 11:32, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I’d guess she’s been reading this. That’s made her question if she should be accepting what Aschlafly etc do. See this. Proxima Centauri 11:39, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Seeing as how my comments are directed against a respectful person, for once, I should explain. Throwing in Japanese terms into English speech is not cute, nor endearing (I realize by stating this on the internet, I place myself against majority opinion). It is the bastion of sad, white teenagers. If you are saying something not easily translated, fine. That's interesting and informative. But mina-sama? I'm afraid that if you have to explain that something is more respectful, it simply isn't. It leaves those of us who have an understanding of japanese going "Why doesn't she just say everyone?" Publius 12:07, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Wow - so many comments. Let me start from the top. Thank you Caius! I must confess I have read it a few times and I am honestly not sure if he agreeing with me, or mocking me. I also found Rick's reply...odd, but then I can not expect everybody to think as I do... even the 'little people' :). and Kels, I share your pain - otaku (and especially fangirls) are bad - a millions times more so in Japan!) and there are sadly many cases on CP where people do not come close to practicing what they preach.

Thank you too, Dream! Proxima - I have seen the article (and I must confess I like it - thank you - I seem to have made a good impression!) but I have been reading here long before then (I think that is all that is safe to say for now. Publius - again, I can only apologise, and promise I will not do it here. As for 'mina-sama' I know, it is obscure, but there was no way I could think out in English to express my respect for the editors over there - "everyone" did not 'cut it' so to speak . Thank you all for making me feel welcome. --TokyoRose 12:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Truth is, it's commendable that you're joining Jazz, LowKey, and others in taking a noble stand. Unfortunately, I don't see it going anywhere in the end. People like Ed, TK, Bugler, and RodWeathers quite obviously don't have the best interests of the site at heart, and both have power to act how they want as well as encourage others with power to act as they do. The only one who could do anything about it is Andy himself. He really is the sole bottleneck, and the one who either lets it stand, or tears it down. And as we've seen, he's not been providing any leadership at all, and giving tacit approval (and sometimes outright approval) to the worst of them. So unless there's some major change in his attitude, no change will occur. It's sad, and frustrating, and certainly a tragedy for anyone who's put a lot of honest effort into the project. But it's the reality that must be dealt with. --Kels 12:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)

The problem is, what are the "best interests of the site"? We all know, as this site contains the dark annals of CP's past, that countless well-intentioned Christians have done their best at CP, become disillusioned, been ignored, and have left with a cry for improvement. Of course, nothing ever improves. This is because CP is not a wiki for Christians. It is a wiki for ultra-right-wing paranoid Christians. The bullying, hypocrisy, and indeed parody are part and parcel. If you expect you can change things, you are wrong, and at the wrong place. The best interests of the site, so far as Andy is concerned, are purging all non-ideologically-pure thought and users. This will not change, no matter how many manifestos reasonable people post. Publius 12:54, 13 December 2008 (EST)

You could try looking for a Christian wiki that suits you better. These vary. Some are good some aren’t. Christianity Knowledge Base tolerates a range of different Christian viewpoints. Japan Wiki may suit you. I don’t know anything about it. You can adopt this wiki and revive it. Proxima Centauri 13:02, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Bugler responds. He branded you as someone who is no better than "us", Kotomi. 新しい家にようこそ！ Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 15:35, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Yup, definitely a parodist. --Kels 15:48, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Let's just summarize: "We are in a conflict for our very survival". "Think of what we're sacrificing in this fight." "I'm not in it for the power, but for the cause." "Being compared to a fascist insults me." "Your collaboration with the enemy makes you suspect."

Simply a classic. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 15:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A masterpiece designed to stitch up Kotomi and prod another useful editor in the direction of the exit. There's only one parodist I know of who's this good.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 15:53, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Needs moar Churchill. If you're reading, B, this one's for free as long as you apologise to PJR once it's all over:

"...when we see the originality of malice, the ingenuity of aggression, which our enemy displays, we may certainly prepare ourselves for every kind of novel stratagem and every kind of brutal and treacherous manoeuvre."

--Robledo 19:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Sorry again - I ran out of airtime last night. I have just replied to Bugler - he responded almost word for word as I expected he would - and I have called him on that. He (and TK) clearly have no indication on improving matters and are only there to subvert things. I also agree with the comment that Andy needs to be more assertive, but that said I do not think he is that oblivious to what goes on there (for example, I have spoken to Andy exactly once - ironically to ask for edit rights the day before one of the sock drawer ran riot on a blocking spree - yet he was obviously aware of me enough to promote me. Hopefully if more voices are raised from those he seems to trust, then action might happen.

I feel my days there are probably numbered now anyway - I have become "the enemy". Bugler has his knife out for me. If he is really Auld Nick and he reads this, please be gentle when you bring the axe down? That said, I am not giving up just yet.

As for another wiki? Well I do write on ja:wp (but that is very territorial and full of otaku too). CP gives me the chance to edit and practice my English (and I get to be territorial too!) and it could be a better project if certain people are removed from it. In the meantime, I can handle Bugler - at least we are on equal footing and I am itching to drop the hammer on him - he has been warned here and there. --TokyoRose 05:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Zomg, ah feel as if ah've gotten tha vapuhs! /swoon

Bugler is already on you. Notice how he reads this site regularly (well, obviously). He provokes you into responding in such a way that when you respond, he's the victim and cries and cries. It fills Recent Changes, and other sysops/admins will see it and join in... most likely against you. Poor little Bugler was only keeping CP's best interests at heart. Your entire speech was more directed not at the blocks that were happening, but the blocks that weren't, causing all the dissent among blocking right users to spill out everywhere. Bugler is doing his best to turn it into an individual case (against himself) to discredit all you've said. At least your words got to me, right here... *points at his heart* ♥♥♥♥♥ :D Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 07:32, 14 December 2008 (EST)

*blush* Thank you Norseman (I am copy/pasting those hearts ♥ thank you). I have specifically called him on the playing the victim bit and I know he will read this and hopefully he will know that somebody at least has seen through his little plan. Not that it will help. I suppose we need at least one enemy in our lives to make it interesting. Honestly though, is he really a parodist, or am I exceeding my welcome by asking that? --TokyoRose 07:44, 14 December 2008 (EST)

No one really seems to know, or at least they're pretty good at keeping it to themselves. Either way, he's doing a good job at being an annoying little twit. Just don't let him drag you down to his level, and you'll probably be fine. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 08:03, 14 December 2008 (EST)

TK uses Schlafly Statistics

• "Given the fact that perhaps 95% of those being blocked never write in to protest or ask reconsideration, pretty much shows we have gotten pretty good at knowing when and who to block."

No, TK, it doesn't. (I won't even bother to question your completely unprovable "95%".) It just shows that these people left in disgust. Silence after abuse isn't evidence that the abuse was justified. It just shows resignation. People will see what assholes are in power (especially when they watch how the Abuse Helpdesk is being handled and how everybody who gives a damn about unfair blocks will simply be blocked, too), and they will realize that they wasted their time trying to improve CP. --Sid 18:04, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Actually I bet he's right about the 95% number. Karajou probably blocks about 95% of all blocked, and he doesn't have email enabled. Tada! No complaints. Also, a couple weeks ago I got 3 or 4 emails from people who were blocked by Ed (maybe closer to 5 or 6 actually) just over the course of a week and a half, because Ed wasn't responding to their email. Soooooo TK's right. Probably only 5% of people who get blocked then email someone who will actually listen.

PS Terry, 5% is a pretty high margin of error. 1 out of every 20 blocks is contested? JazzMan 18:10, 13 December 2008 (EST)

What proportion of users have email enabled before they get blocked? They don't realize they will need it. The ban window says you can discuss the block with the blocking sysop or with any other administrator. You click on the links given in the ban window. You try to edit, you see the ban window again. You give up in dispair.

By the way, to see the ban window in any wiki without being blocked

1. Click on edit from any editable page.
2. Type in {{MediaWiki:Blockedtext}}, I usually clear out the text in the page first.
3. Click on, "Show preview". If you click save this will be considered vandalism and you could see the ban window for real.

The links shown that way work. For a blocked user they usually don't. The ban window here.

You've been blocked. The intended blockee is $7, the intended IP is $3, and the block ID is #$5. The person who gave the block is $1, who gave the reason "$2". The block started at $8 and will end at $6. You may contact $1 or one of the moderators to discuss the block. You can also use the "email this user" function if a valid email address is registered in Special:Preferences and if you have not been blocked from using it. Alternately, you may edit your user talk page if you have not blocked from using it.

Proxima Centauri 02:41, 14 December 2008 (EST)

it's happened again....

I saw this "mystery" essay and thought--"ah, another bit of over-the-top parody. How long 'til it gets deleted?" Nope...an ASchlafly original....PFoster 15:39, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I wonder if this is how Andy (and CPalmer, who wrote nearly half of it) really thinks, or if it's just random crap to continue muddying the waters. Clearly, he's getting more and more into that "everyone who's not like me isn't human" mode, and if he really does believe this, then it's time for the men in the white coats. --Kels 15:44, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Hurray Andy is going to try and do math again! Get ready to take screen shots of the fun everybody :) --BoredCPer 16:06, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Articles like that are just extra special fun, since they're total parodist magnets. Who else would rush in, eager to make it so much better like that? Andy, of course, sees them all as loyal conservatives, who agree with him unlike traitorous liberal sympathizers like PJR and, it would seem, JessicaT. The insanity...it's spreading...must protect precious bodily fluids... --Kels 16:20, 13 December 2008 (EST)

This has got too much like watching a car crash. I'm no psychiatrist but I would put money on Andy now being clinically insane. I can't watch. It's gone beyond funny fundy idiocy. This is a human being collapsing before our very eyes. For pity's sake Benjamin, Jessica, PJR, this is now a real human tragedy. Don't think that you made your points and can leave it at that. And Buggers, come on man! As much as Andy is a piece of excrement he doesn't deserve to lose his mind. If you, Rod and TK keep pushing it this man will have a breakdown. --Toffeeman 17:21, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Do you mean to suggest that he's getting crazier!? I'd like to see some statistical proof of that, as 93% of claims of breakdowns are 78% exaggeration and 22% hyperbole. Publius 17:33, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Sadly, I'm serious. Can anyone with knowledge of psychiatry reassure me that Andy is just a vile, arrogant yet self-loathing, inadequate, selfish, little piece of shit: a pustule on the face of humanity, a "grade A" wanker who deserves far more than he's ever going to get? Or should we call the real (as opposed to "mentioned for effect") men (or women) in white (or other colour) coats? (and yes, Buggers, I did add three to the "mystery" and I am feeling guilty). --Toffeeman 17:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Andy's always been a bit of a nut, but his nuttiness was mostly to do with biblical inerrancy than anything. Sure, he shills for a bunch of quacks, but that's work and he doesn't necessarily have to be a True Believer or anything. Biased about homeschooling, no problem. Even back here, he at least was acknowledging that his wrong-headed opponents on the left (and centre, and most of the right) were at least human. He's pretty much given up on that by now. --Kels 17:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)

The more I see the more I wonder whether he is really a complete parodist, who'll whip off his cloak one day and confound TK, Bugler and the rest. Surely no-one with an ounce of seriousness could (a) tolerate and applaud their actions and (b) come out with crap like this. Fretfulporpentine 18:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)

(Unindent) I was actually thinking about this the other day.... I am a Pysch major after all (not that my training is anywhere near a level where I would offer major therapy or anything) and I think Andy is fighting a very hard battle inside his own head. He's not the only one though. Think of it this way, he was born under the rule of Phyllis, and was raised with the idea that biblical conservativism is the best way to live. But look at the last couple of presidents in this country. Reagan and Bush I screwed millions of people over royally. They enlarged the gap between rich and poor, they sat back and did almost nothing while the AIDS crisis nearly destroyed black america, Gang wars erupted under their watch, to the point where several major cities (LA, Chicago and NY to name a few) were practically paralyzed in fear and on top of it all, the people at the top just looted the whole country. Then Clinton takes over and things start to improve over the next eight years. Now, a lot of that stuff can be explained away as conincidence or that Bush and Reagan laid the groundwork, and you'd have an interesting argument, but then GW Bush comes in and everything goes straight back to hell. Andy is also seeing the allignment of religion break apart. Churches are foregoing issues like Gay rights and Abortion to concentrate on Climate Change and Helping the poor. I think Andy has finally reached a point where he can no longer ignore the fact that the positions he was raised on are flat out false and it hurts. Throw in that he's seeing a former classmate, who lived the "liberal" lifestyle now ascending to the highest position in Government while he's stuck with a fourth rate Wiki that everybody treats as a laughingstock (and he has to know that) As a result of all of this, he's driving himself deeper and deeper into his Conservative shell as a reflective defense until things work out. I think we're either going to see a brand new Andy reemerge from this or he's going to snap once and for all........ Nib High School Football RULES!!!! SirChuckB^{Will Sysop for food} 19:18, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Eh, that's probably reaching too far. For one, Andy just rationalizes everything away and blames it on liberals, so there's no way that he could ever think that any problems are caused by conservatism. I just don't see him having a crisis of conscience. Additionally, many more people than just Andy wouls disagree with your analysys of good vs bad and liberal vs conservative -- for one thing, some of the things that you count as failures, conservatives count as triumphs, or disagree are happening at all. I'm not thinking about anything specific here, but you are starting with an entirely different premise system here. JazzMan 19:53, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Which is why this addition to the George W. Bush article stood for so long despite being lampooned in the L.A. Times article. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 04:42, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I remember calling him on it, saying that it was my favourite bit of the whole article (and wondering aloud how they managed to put their trousers on without killing themselves...) His response? Ah, your spelling of "favorite" gives you away. Not an American, and perhaps a Bush-hater? Why didn't you just say at the beginning that you dislike conservatives, if that's case??? Andy is my favouritest fuckhead by about eleventy million miles. --Robledo 07:19, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Rod's awesome new powers

So RW has gained image upload rights thanks to his "good work". It always struck me as perverse that CP hands out block rights like candy so that people can happily drive away new editors, yet restricts the tools that actually enable people to create and improve articles as a privilege. This is the reverse of virtually every other wiki. However, Rod gets a tip from Andy "Congratulations on obtaining upload privileges! Be sure not to upload anything copyrighted by others." A pity he never mentioned that to Joaquin when he was promoted.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 15:41, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Andy has said many times that people should block with impunity. Not in those words, but it's clear that he and many of the sysops don't really treat blocking as a hard punishment. JazzMan 15:54, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Well, a more recent example is Ed on Jessica's page, with "You have blocking rights. I hope you will use them liberally." Block early, block often, never admit you made a mistake. That's blocking policy at CP. --Kels 15:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)

And the only mistake to make is letting someone bring up the mistake of a wrongful block, so block them too before you make the mistake! Hiyaaaa! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:01, 13 December 2008 (EST)

"Dis iz turnink into vun of dose plans... Hyu know - de kind vere ve keel everybody dot notices dot ve's killin' people?"

That is such a great comic. --Gulik 23:33, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I was likewise stunned to see this. He hands out rights in the fashion opposite to common sense. Block rights are most deadly in the hands of a vandal or parodist, upload rights less so, and edit rights least of all. Congrats, you've been given clearance to fly the Space Shuttle. We'll see if you're qualified to fly an ultralight in a few weeks' time. Publius 16:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I think it's just the Conservative Seige Mentality in its purest form. "Liberals are bad. So if, we block EVERYONE, no Liberals can get in!" Is pretty much the 'thinking' here, I suspect. Much more important to keep the bad out than to let the good in.--Gulik 23:33, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, sweet Zeus, make it stop! Make it stop!

"Conservative principles are based on reason." I don't think LOL does it justice. REASON? Oh the humanity...Jimaginator 20:42, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I think one good reason to be liberal would be "have read something written by one of the Schlaflys". That'd drive me away from the cause, that's for sure. Although I must say, Andy's setting the conservatism bar pretty low here. He just wants folks with low grades. --Kels 20:51, 13 December 2008 (EST)

In fairness, some conservative principles are based on reason. Others are based on preexisting beliefs and/or biases. The same is true of any ideological makeup. That being said, Andy's trying to make it sound as if only Conservative principles are borne from reason and all Conservative principles are born from reason, which naturally is utter crap. Stile4aly 02:58, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Do we want to bring Conservapedia down? Alternatively do we hope Conservapedia will keep people laughing at the worst of Conservative thinking for years to come? Conservapedia does such a good job of showing why Conservative ideas are self serving nonsense. Proxima Centauri 04:09, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Schlafly stats incarnate

This just makes me laugh. Does he even have any idea what he is typing? At least he admits they are "estimates." Though, that probably means for him "I may be off by 2%." --Shagie 20:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)

I suspect Andy doesn't care what he's writing particularly. --Kels 20:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)

How is it a statistical analysis if he just made the number up? I don't mind Andy's values and principals, I don't mind Andy's tendency to cronyism which has resulted in CP becoming a land baron of editors, I don't even mind the fact that Andy compulsively tries to denigrate my beliefs and values by claiming that I am immoral and that I probably would cause the down fall of society. What pisses me off is when tries to make his argument look impregnable by making up numbers on the fly and then defends like the mean shit instead of random crap he made up and he knows it. - User $\scriptstyle 4\sum _{n=0}^{\infty }(-1)^{n}(2n+1)^{-1}$ 21:16, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Hmmm...perhaps a companion article is called for..."Why do Conservapedians exist?" That could be fun and based in reality! Thinker 21:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Does anyone else admire the cognitive dissonance required to believe simultaneously that (a) When judging an objective scientific subject, it is entirely possible that the vast majority of scientists are honestly mistaken in their judging of the evidence, e.g., that evolution is a sufficient and necessary process to explain the diversity of life on Earth, and (b) That people who hold entirely subjective political opinions that are different from your own are simply wrong, and doing it from some bad or insane reason?

I just can't empathise with the Assfly at all. There's something going wrong in his head to produce these things he writes. I'm coming around to the idea he is simply mentally ill. This bizarre way that he sees the world, where everyone in jobs that society places some kind of esteem in, from doctors through to teachers, is a "liberal" and the enemy. It strikes me that he's dangerously paranoid. --JeevesMkII 00:39, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I think you're approaching it from the wrong angle--you're assuming that Andy uses reason to TEST his beliefs, rather then as a means to find PROOF for them. Logic is a puny reed in the path of the battering-ram of Faith. --Gulik 01:27, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Wait, is Kendoll back now?

I thought he was going away, his mission to destroy atheism on the internets now completed? I was kind of hoping people might take the opportunity to muck out the Augean stables that are Ken's little corner of Conservapedia. --JeevesMkII 03:37, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Posse

I see Learn together has undone Ed's block of HelpJazz which probably puts him on the "liberal" side of Bugler's fence. Of course HJ could have unblocked himself but Í doubt that he would have done that after being admonished by a sysop, unlike Bugler's dismissal of PJR. Which actually makes HelpJazz more conservative than Bugler. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 04:49, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Consistency; worse comments are made by other users with HelpJazz's level of authority and no action is taken = Ed is a hypocrite; Bugler said worse and he took no action, so fuck him Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 05:38, 14 December 2008 (EST)