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1984/Newspeak

Did anyone else get a kick out of this footnote?

"p. 312, 1984 - George Orwell, Penguin, 1984"[1]

Note the alleged publication date... human 14:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Yes...? An edition of 1984 published in 1984? That's moderately amusing, I suppose...? ;-) --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 14:49, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Maybe the editor's copy was a special edition. Or it could be a typo. Either way, it's dumbass, and should say 1948(9?) - when did it actually get published?. human 16:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)

First edition from '48, I think, but when quoting a specific passage, it actually makes better sense to mention the specific edition you're using, since pagination usually varies among editions. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Ah, good point. Of course. Thanks for pointing that out. human 12:27, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Oops. Well spotted, H - it should be 1989, like the Crimestop entry. --Robledo 12:59, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Sounds about right...

Courtesy of Jinxmchue..."based upon the belief that editors and readers are flipping morons" [2] I couldn't have described CP any better.--Jdellaro 16:08, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Well, that's Jinxmchue for you. Booted from Wikipedia for being an unproductive ass. -- Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 16:18, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Foxes on the chopping block, RW dudes on the loose

Okay, wow. I gotta give credit where credit is due: Fox impresses me.

I do acknowledge that a lot of it may be connected to him "not really liking TK" to put it mildly (just look at his references to a certain disgraced ex-sysop...), but I applaud the reasoning.

For shits and giggles, let's test it in an extreme case: Here is mine. While I doubt I'd actually go back there since I'm fairly incompatible with the stuff Andy claims to be The Truth (though miracles might happen), I would appreciate some justice. In the end, I got a perma-ban basically for restoring the user page I've had for MONTHS. And for some other made-up charges like trying to play sysops against each other (which in reality was just Rob contacting me for some reason - see my CP talk page and my RW user page).

The case got memory-holed quietly whenever it was brought up. I'd just like to be unbanned so my account could go on idle without giving me block messages each time I use it. --Sid 16:47, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I too would like justice. I think a lot of us went down for calling TK an asshole. When he was. Now that they know that... but then again, remember that this almost happened like five months ago, and it was shot down by Karajou hating anyone who's not, well, Karajou. We'll see.-αmεσ (pirate) 16:49, 7 March 2008 (EST)

For the record, CP people: Please do not unblock my account. I left voluntarily and have no desire to return. That is all. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:54, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I should add that I think this is probably a critical juncture for Conservapedia. If you've been following it lately (and who hasn't?) it's becoming clear that Karajou and Crocoite are becoming simultaneously more insane, and more important to the site's survival. Especially viz. their conflicts with SSchultz, Jdellaro, Barikada, and PhoenixWright, their blocks are becoming less justified, more ideological, and more defensive and tacit admissions of their meritless stances. All this while both are generating more ridiculous content (with Andy's help). So the way I see it, CP can make a choice: become more of a fringe site, and more irrelevant, or become more accepting of dissent, and less accepting of far-right craziness, and otherwise more normal. Although I have my guesses about which side they'll take, I hope I'm wrong, for the sake of the kids that actually use that site.-αmεσ (pirate) 17:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I am also quite impressed, though I should point out that TK also did large IP blocks. Some of the usernames that may be unblocked may still leave the users themselves unable to log in because of various blocks. I would suggest that sysops at CP look at the IPs used by users there are unblocking and check to see if there are any IP blocks on those ranges that might need to be lifted too. --Shagie 17:05, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Uh huh. If Reynard really wanted to help, he'd leap down Karajou's throat for his insane blocks in the present rather than digging over insane blocks long past. It doesn't help righting the wrongs of TK, if you're simply going to let the new TK get on with it. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 17:06, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Replaced lost content. Also, Karajou is totally the new TK. Good call.-αmεσ (pirate) 17:08, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Speaking of IPs... it appears mine's been banned. If I try to edit, I get the message "The block was made by Karajou. The reason given is Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Barikada". The reason given for Barikada's block is: "stopping a fight before he begins it"." Barikada 16:38, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Why do I get the impression that over at the New Special Discussion Group (or whatever they're calling it these days), Fox is getting a royal reaming from Karajou and/or Andy? I feel bad for the guy, but he really should have seen it coming. --Kels 16:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Unblocking Human

If you see fit to release me to parole from this 8.5 months of blockage, please don't forget my IP address, 24.128.205.73, and the block ID is #17944. Thank you. I may not edit much, if at all (maybe some pretty pictures for my building trades series?), but as Sid says above, at least I won't have TK yelling at me every time I want to check the source of something. human 16:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Holy of holies, batman, they did it! Me too, Fox!-αmεσ (pirate)

These might not unblock anybody, remember that there are quite a few range blocks that are still in force. Or does unblocking a specific IP get around a range block? I dunno. CЯacke®

I'm not blocked, but I could never contribute seriously to anything which so perverted the mythology of religion and the 'Might is Right' philosophy displayed by so many of the current Sysops & editors at CP. Susan^purrrrr 18:30, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Whoa. Yeah but my IPs still blocked, and so is NYU. Poor law school kids.-αmεσ (pirate) 18:35, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Shit, I feel sorry for the poor guy, he probably has no idea what range blocks to undo. Wasn't he just a pee-on when all this took place? Robin Redbreast 18:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Ames, what's the reference to "...eg my kids" Susan^purrrrr 18:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I have no idea. Also, our discussions together were about unblocking the entire cabal, but his message makes it sound like we'd corresponded about me specifically.-αmεσ (pirate) 18:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

This cannot last. Andy's been offline for the last three hours. Once he gets back and sees the furniture turned over, milk spilled everywhere, and styrofoam peanuts stuck to the kitteh, Fox is for the chop, I reckon. DogP 18:51, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I dunno. Fox is (1) an objectively nice, reasonable guy, (2) a good administrator, and (3) a hard worker. It'll be hard for Andy to completely crap on his plans.-αmεσ (pirate) 18:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Ames, you have obviously been at the booze this afternoon. Mandy and Kinkydoodle's history (let alone Crocabybaby) when it comes to reasonable people is, uhm, kinda like the French Silver Kilogram of Conservapedia's raison-d'être, no? I'l happily lay bets here - I'll donate pi's to the Pi Pledge if I'm wrong. DogP 19:07, 7 March 2008 (EST)

The NYU block also covers at least one major midwest isp for rural areas. --Shagie 18:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)

216.165.0.0/16 is the NYU one. linked here for Fox's convenience. Thanks again MexMax for the shout-out on that one.-αmεσ (pirate) 19:11, 7 March 2008 (EST)

While I disagree with fox about several things, he, along with PJR, are the more reasonable types. Note that I've already started reverting parodist liberal vandals. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן ^{שְׁלֹום}

I directed him to WIGO talk to look to our IPs. My home IP has changed, so that's fine, but when you're at school, you're at school.-αmεσ (pirate) 19:19, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Also, concur on PJR. A Conservapedia run by PJR and Fox would be very different than the Karabully infested place it is now.-αmεσ (pirate) 19:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fox, would you care to unblock meI never vandalized, and was blocked for being someone I don't even know. Pinto's5150 ^Talk 19:26, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fox, considering my long history of valid contributions to CP, I'd like to be unblocked as well. --Hoji^die! 19:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Wow, Human and Ames unbanned? Never thought I'd see the day... (Me next! Me next!) :P --Sid 19:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fox, any chance of unblocking User:PortlyMort? No vandalism there either, just a block by TK for "preferring the LULZ site". -24.29.72.31 20:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Re. renewed blocking of everyone - I rest my case. Those bozos don't do Fair Play. However, I've donated to the Pi Pledge anyway. DogP 17:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Why?

Why do you guys even want to be unblocked? tmtoulouse ^annoy 19:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fair play, mostly. Plus I need to illustrate my construction articles. No real interest in adding to CP, though if they'd let me "discuss" things sometimes that might be cool. human 19:50, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I mentioned my reason one major section above ours: My ban was simply not fair - I was banned on made-up nonsense charges right after negotiating my return. Plus, if I was unbanned, I could finally go back to actually using my account without getting a "WHAAAA YOU'RE BANNED AND YOUR BAN REASON IS X" message every time I accidentally hit a red link or want to see the wiki source text of an article. It's mostly out of principle - CP wants to be taken a bit seriously, then they need to implement some sort of actual ban review. Right now, pointing out that a ban/block was unfair is basically a death sentence. Editors simply don't have the right to ask about other blocks, the blocked editor often can't contact the blocking sysop (or has Kara finally enabled his mail?), and other sysops often default to "You should discuss this with the blocking sysop. I'm sure he had good reason, and I really don't want to get on his bad side, so you're on your own." --Sid 20:13, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Also, I'd have the power to actually communicate directly with sysops (and sysop wannabes) instead of using the WIGO Communications Center. Heck, how often did we have to make WIGOs to point out inaccuracies or vandalism? See for example the bit about the Sun entry (somewhere above). --Sid 20:16, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Here's a current case: DanH corrects an entry... but forgets to change one instance of the wrong name. Right now, I have to post it here and hope that one of our lurkers picks it up (and can claim credit for it :P). --Sid 20:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)

You know, I wouldn't mind being unblocked either. I would accept either my Stile4aly login, my JohnSmith login, or even my SSchultz login. Was I sometimes snarky? Of course, but I never vandalized the site, and I'm sure you'll see a lot of good contributions mixed in those usernames. CP is deeply misguided, and I doubt very seriously that any of these unblocks will last for any length of time, but if nothing else I'll get to be part of the Night of the Blunt Knives part 2. Stile4aly 22:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Hey, I just realized that I'm not blocked over there. At least, I don't think I am. Can you log in if you are blocked? GrandSoviet 23:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I believe you can still log in, e.g you can send an email protesting your block, it's just that you can't edit. I would have thought Ed "I'm a respected Wikipedian" Poor would have implemented the 'users can still edit their user page facility' but maybe that's asking too much.  Lily ^{Thank you very much!} 04:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Doc just got totally pwned by teh assfly: see LD #14, wherein I disprove your assertion, Dr. "specialty not in breast cancer"!!! human 00:05, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Heh. I'm just waiting for the smackdown of Mr. "specialty not in anything" Schlafly --Kels 00:11, 8 March 2008 (EST)

From IRC: "<@human_bean> ... pwned instantly by teh assfly (specialty not in anything)" great minds think alike, apparently. human 00:17, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I'm getting a total sense of deja vu from last year here. Could someone run over to Talk:Bible and argue a bit with Karajou about proper Koine grammar just to make the circle complete? --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 07:36, 8 March 2008 (EST)

My presumed final post is up.-- -PalMD ^{--'scuse me, while I kiss the sky} 08:52, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Hey, the crazier the act, the more I have to write about. Gotta love how bat-friggin insane assfly and TK Karajou are. Fox is ok i guess. Just gets cranky.-- -PalMD ^{--'scuse me, while I kiss the sky} 08:52, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Okay, why in blazes is this BS a template? Also, the irony meter just rock slammed! --Kels 10:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Why anyone would want to seriously edit at CP is a mystery - unless you're slipping in links to push your Google rank for some site or other you may have. The recent treatment dished out to James Carmody shows that the Assfly is aff his heid. He's trying to run CP like a Soviet labour camp not a collabrative effort of volunteers, where every little help is thankfully appreciated. Christ! Even Conservatives don't take CP seriously, to date I can't find one Supportive link from an influential/well known Conservative organisation or personality except, perhaps, blog entries from other crazies. Anyone adding serious content is just another gullible slave labourer helping fuel the Assfly's delusions of grandeur (about 23,300 educational, clean, and concise entries ...over 51,800,000 page views...The truth shall set you free) by helping to disguise his wacky blog as an encyclopedia. Anyone who stumbles across CP and is stupid enough to take it for a source of useful/truthful information is beyond help any way. Auld Nick 10:28, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Anyone else notice that two of CP's doggedly sane contributors fell off the map a while back? (Dpbsmith and JoshuaZ) Smith trickled down in output and hasn't edited since January, while JZ walked away around last October. human 12:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I've encountered Dpbsmith quite a bit over at WP, and always found him to be one of the most clear-headed folks over there. I was surprised to see him at CP, until I realized he had not drank the kool aid, and wasn't terribly active in any case, at least not since last summer. He was welcomed there because he didn't get involved in controversial topics much. Of course, if you're going to avoid the controversial elements there's not much reason to edit there. You can write a hundred 5 sentence articles on mundane things that are covered far better at Wikipedia anyway, or you can get into the very limited range of things that CP actually cares about. I think Dpbs is one of those smart people Andy likes to brag has "abandoned" WP in favor of CP, even though he's been much more active at WP this whole time. I think all the other ex-WPians (except Eddie) were kicked out for being retarded trolls, rather than abandoning it to work for a "better" project. Basically, unless you're batshit insane, you're either going to tire of CP quickly, or it will tire of you. DickTurpis 17:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Evil Professors

Good thing Richard Dawkins isn't one, eh? Must mean he's one of the good guys! --Kels 22:14, 7 March 2008 (EST)

From my friend, teh professor: "ASS-fly is right. That just pisses me off in about 100 different ways." human 23:29, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Come to that, if Professors are so bad, why does Andy brag on his user page about all the colleges his students went to? Doesn't he know they're full of Professors!? --Kels 00:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And doesn't he know that they are all evil liberal college/universities? Full of atheists and atheism, and not allowing classroom prayer?!?!?!?! Ooh, ooh, and they're all Lesbians!!! human 00:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Sign me up! Oh, wait... --Kels 00:10, 8 March 2008 (EST)

We hav cum for yr homewerk! human 00:18, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Seriously, what the fuck is going on in Andy's mind? NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 01:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Very little, if anything. Barikada 01:07, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I have a feeling this isn't going to go well.69.216.122.61 00:54, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Say, shouldn't the unblocked refrain from dissenting trolling? I mean, it might get Fox in trouble, and he is officially sane. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 01:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Eh, what did you expect him to do? He got unmuzzled, maybe had a drink or two, or a thought or two (uncommon on CP, at least with assfly), and went back to his old haunts. Reading his opening comment, he certainly allows for plenty of "pro-life" argument range - he just says, "not this one". And teh assfly can only pwn him with LD14!!! - as in, argument won, now shut up? human 01:22, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I don't know really, but it looks kind of silly to go there and argue with Don Schlafly when we all know what will happen, right after getting unblocked in what easily is the moment of greatest sysop-responsibility on CP. Its like saying Fox "I like what you did but I'll go there and undo it now."

Then again, maybe he doesn't mind. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 02:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Ah, I WIGO'd it before realizing that it was discussed here. Oh well. XD And yeah, not the smartest decision, but Fox explicitly say that they "are - I hope - all adult enough here to accept dissent." And nobody should be threatened for TALK PAGE SUGGESTIONS. Sheesh, Andy and Kara are really making CP look bad. --Sid 07:15, 8 March 2008 (EST)

It's just fun to watch people blindly commit the same hypocricy of which they are accusing others. And how often do you have a chance to talk directly to a cult leader? When he goes Waco, inquiring minds will want to know.-- -PalMD ^{--'scuse me, while I kiss the sky} 09:06, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I wonder what Andy's AAPS buddies will think when he tells then they aren't experts in human medicine, while he apparently is? --Kels 10:06, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I liked his comment about the other doctors on the site. Who? And, yes Doc, if ever someday poor Andy snaps and creates a "public disturbance", we'll all get to go on TV to explain why. human 12:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)

We'd better secure the book and movie rights straight away! That should put an end to Trent's financial woes for good! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 12:42, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Fear and Loathing in New Jersey? Robledo 13:21, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Yes exactly, Dr. Who. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 13:32, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Haha, I love how Andy's "relatively large number" (doesn't he hate relativity?) of shocking incidents only amounts to seven, including a guy caught jaywalking and one who's been dead for 18 years. --Kels 13:58, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Not enough lulz for a WIGO entry, but...

Hey, any lurking CP sysops around? You might wanna check out the contribs of Mathman and MathMan - especially gems like Mathematical notation which was apparently ported over from a German wiki (German Wikipedia maybe?): See all the redlinks pointing at articles like "Linearkombination", "Verweisliste" or "Betragsfunktion". But something went wrong, and we now see the TONS AND TONS of wiki source text. --Sid 07:12, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Great machine translation there. Love the second sentence: "Please for some no particularly engraving changes make time without it in the discussion to have suggested before." --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 07:40, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And what's up with all that endlessly repeated "County is the English name for county..." stuff further down? >_> --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 07:42, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I think that is something to do with a template mismatch between different wikis. Also the machine translation changes the spacing of things so that the wiki-markup is broken.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 08:22, 8 March 2008 (EST)

An observation

Has anyone else noticed that in Andy's little world, Americans are collectively Conservative but individually Liberal? What I mean is, he's very proud of trumpeting the fact that the majority of Americans are Conservative in all sorts of arenas, but when it comes to describing any one individual alive today they are all Liberals. Anybody with any job you might describe as a profession is a liberal... professors, doctors, journalists, judges, teachers... all liberals to a man. Where are all these Conservatives, and why are they all such underachievers? I guess they haul our trash, connect our calls and drive our ambulances. Perhaps we shouldn't fuck with them. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Woah. What the fuck was I thinking? They're all America's ambulance chasing, black-hearted lawyers! That explains it. I guess America really does have six lawyers to four humans now. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)

But why do I have a feeling Andy considers the ABA a liberal group? It's probably just because he thinks every group is liberal; I guess this could be one of the few exceptions. Then there are those lawyers for the ACLU... DickTurpis 12:27, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Damn, forgot about the ACLU. Damn those Liberals, always standing up for the civil rights of people they love... like, you know, neo-nazis... (Also, paraphrasing fight club made me think of another quote to rip off... The seventh commandment of Conservative club is... YOU DO NOT TALK AT CONSERVATIVE CLUB!) --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Well, it's a strange manifestation of two contradictory ideas that the Christian Right use to bind themselves - that they a persecuted minority and at the same time, an overwhelming majority that deserves the mantle of rule in a democracy. The minority persecution complex keeps them well-defined as a coherent, insular group, while the majoritarian mythos allows them to feel comfortable in the idea that "their way" should be "everyone's way". It is much more closely bound to the religious component, with its martyr complex dating back to Jesus sacrifice, but it is also visible in the more political wing. Remember Nixon's "silent majority"? human 12:53, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Lawyer values

Andy is doing such a good job demonstrating "Professor Values" (is he related to Professor Plum?), what with his 6 or 7 crimes (including jaywalking), I think it's time for Fun:Lawyer values; I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to find many examples of lawyers breaking the law. If lawyers do bad things, then Andy, who is also a lawyer, must do the same things, right? Isn't that how logic works? DickTurpis 14:44, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I'm bittorrenting the entire four series of Blake's 7, and not paying for it! You should do Software Engineer values. I'm probably a liberal too, which makes my crimes so much worse! --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 14:51, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I guess that "Student Values" will be next; I mean, it goes hand in hand with Professor Values! --Sid 14:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Don't forget "Voter Values"! Or is that Values Voters? human 15:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And there's surely room for Medical values - chracterized by a tendency to counter well-founded conservative bias and ignorant opinion with mere facts and expert knowledge. GNUSMAS : TALK 15:25, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Strange bedfellows (just a followup)

Referring to the question of evangelicals and jewish, Bill Moyers Journal has an article on Christian Zionism that you can watch. It is in context of McCain courting the religious right. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch.html --Shagie 15:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)

"ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE" [sic]

Gg, Karajou. Gg. The navy must be proud. Uchiha^KATON! 15:43, 8 March 2008 (EST)

s/Asclafly/His Majesty/g --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 15:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Yeesh. Karajou really is the next TK - struggling against his chain as he tries to find the tiniest excuse for bans. In this case... uh... disagreeing with Andy. Wow. So sad. Oh, and Karajou nicely points at RW in his post there: Googling for O'Leary wiki rubbish heap gives you her post... which links directly to us. Thanks, Kara! --Sid 15:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)

He blocked my Chinese proxy IP. OH NOES!-αmεσ (pirate) 17:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Oh, and since it will get buried over time:

1. 16:37, 8 March 2008 Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked "AmesG (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE)
2. 16:34, 8 March 2008 Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked "Palmd001 (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE)

human 16:59, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Gets even better. After dishonestly blocking the both of them for the horrible sin of disagreeing with Andy (politely in Doc's case, even though Andy'd been rude to him), Kowardjou hides the evidence, leaving the most current item as the Sysop Pledge, promising he'll never do what he just did. TK should be claiming royalties. --Kels 17:19, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I think TK at least had the honesty of archiving such debates. Not 100% certain anymore, but Karajou is definitely the worse archiver; he even twice tried to remove the evidence back during his Bible Ban orgy - others had to create the archives after he quickly removed the discussions. --Sid 17:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Nice parting shot, AmesG to Kangaroo: "I just had to clear up the "you hate Conservapedia" thing. Because I don't. But I do hate you." Classic. human 17:58, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Yes, that was a nice touch. Very honest, just like the rest of that post. Some good points raised; too bad that Kara instantly memoryhole'd the entire thing. --Sid 18:00, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Who's for a nice game of late arrivals at Conservapedia?

I'll start us off with an easy one. Introducing Lord and Lady DeSeat, and their daughter Alice De... No, I lie... Beryl DeSeat. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 16:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And, just arriving, Mr. and Mrs. Woodvalues, and their daughter Holly. GNUSMAS : TALK 16:14, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Groan! Oh, here comes Lord Ayer, and his Dutch cousin... Oh he's a touch of class, Voompr Ayer. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 16:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And here comes the professor... sorry, my mistake, it's just Donna Tedpoast. Matt 23:40, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Science

Why should I think that Qwertymn is not wholly on CP's wavelength? Susan^purrrrr 16:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! --Sid 16:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Awesome edits. I loved "Creation of Perpectual-Motors"! Also, I notice that according to the trusworthy bicyclopedia, the Panda is a bear... um, no, sorry. Me = wrong :) human 17:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Union flag

Tell 'em it's not strictly the Union Jack (it's the Union Flag) & look what I found while googling. "Union of Jacob" and "We, of the British Israel-World Federation hold that the main bodies of the modern-day descendants of those Israelite clans now form the generally Anglo-Celto-Saxon and kindred peoples of today." Weird: I'm a daughter of Jacob! Susan^purrrrr 19:00, 8 March 2008 (EST) Hey that site (here and here) is hysterical! Susan^purrrrr 19:13, 8 March 2008 (EST)

My favourite bit of British-Israelism nonsense: Andy belongs to a "sacred bloodline" through his sensitive mom. Scroll down towards the bottom... ;) -Robledo 19:25, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Screw the bloodlines - check THIS out (from your source):

“”Phyllis Bruce STEWART and John Frederic SCHLAFLY II had the following children: 10538 i. John Frederic SCHLAFLY was born on 25 Nov 1950 in ALTON, IL.. 10539 ii. Bruce Stewart SCHLAFLY was born on 7 Mar 1955 in ALTON, IL.. 10540 iii. Roger Sherwood SCHLAFLY was born on 16 Oct 1956 in ALTON, IL.. 10541 iv. Phyllis Stewart SCHLAFLY was born on 11 Jun 1958 in ALTON, IL.. 10542 v. Andrew Layton SCHLAFLY was born on 27 Apr 1961 in ALTON, IL.. 10543 vi. Anne Valle SCHLAFLY was born on 16 Nov 1964 in ALTON, IL..

(Also, Phyllis had a daughter named Phyllis, and her son Andrew also had a daughter named Phyllis? Creativity isn't a strong trait in the family...) --Sid 19:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I mostly just giggled at Roger's middle name when I found it. Sherwood... XD --Robledo 19:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I've almost never (do I mean rarely?) heard of the British Israelites - gonna google & google & google & ... Susan^purrrrr 19:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Check this at CP. Auld Nick 19:43, 8 March 2008 (EST)

What was it Old St Nicholas? - there's nothing there now. Susan^purrrrr 19:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Try again. Sorted link. Auld Nick 19:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Sorry about that - too quick on the trigger! Quite amusing! Susan^purrrrr 19:53, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Return of teh stupid

"The block was made by Karajou. The reason given is returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE."

As much as he might wish to watch teh assfly sodomize me, I don't think that will be happening. If I ever become teh ghey, I'm saving myself for Crockoshit's plural gay marriage. He might have meant "at assfly's pleasure", but who knows...the wording is now enshrined. Hi Kara!!! (waving)..isn't that a, um, girly name? Rum, sodomy, and the lash!-- -PalMD ^{--'scuse me, while I kiss the sky} 23:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)

My theory is proven, Doc, that you only wandered into CP editing-land, "under the influence" -- and, hurrah for you! human 01:10, 9 March 2008 (EST)

Fox

... throws down the gauntlet. Fox Fretfulporpentine 07:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Hey, that means our Jesus Christ article is probably better than CP's.

Seriously though, if you're reading this, you should direct your children to Wikipedia regardless of its flaws, they aren't likely to find political flamewars unless they're looking for it, and their graphic sexy material is not something they can't get from a Google search or two (and they might learn something while at it, I'll add.) There's also Citizendium but I don't know too much about that one. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 08:01, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Fox, if you're reading this too, I'm happy for you that you've discovered the unpleasant side(s) of Conservapedia, and I hope you'll move on to a happier place. While there're people like Andy and Karajou around, it won't be a family-friendly place. It'll just be a liberal-bashing, hatemongering place.-αmεσ (pirate) 15:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Putting a face to the name

Don't know why, but it's always interesting to see pictures of people. Here's PJR (on the left) Matt 07:41, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

It's Bill Bryson! Fretfulporpentine 08:22, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

"The average age of the Wikipedia police is probably between 15 and 17 years old."

I lovie visualizing that whenever I see something he says. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 08:42, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh great. Now you've conflated in my mind Bill Bryson and Bill Oddie, two men I admire very much, with PJR who, to be fair to him, is a complete and total twat. I hate you all. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:15, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

I'll defend PJR; he's a nice and reasonable guy, if a little misguided in his ideas. Okay, very misguided. And posting pics of our friendly foes across the internets is kinda creepy.-αmεσ (pirate) 12:26, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Is "a little misguided" a euphemism for stark raving bonkers? Auld Nick 12:37, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

In this case I believe so. What part of "reasonable guy" goes with "my religion is totally right, all the others are totally wrong"? That's just plain delusional. Even if you are religious, it at least demonstrates some facet of common sense if you can admit that it's a faith position, and that your faith is no more valid than that of any other person. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Nah, PJR does strike me as reasonable(ish), as long as you stay away from anything to do with religion. As soon as you go into that area, he goes a bit mental, doing things like trying to say that Bible literalism is a scientifically proven position, despite the fact that he has to go all around the houses and delve into philosophy and theology to try to make the argument stick, and, still, basically, fails (see the debate on this page between him and Urushnor for a good example). Zmidponk 15:59, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I think these should go, it's stalker behaviour. DogP 12:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Would it help if we added amusing lolcats style captions? --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 12:34, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

People who make arses of themselves in public should accept the consequences. If, on the other hand, they have been diagnosed as suffering some form of mental illness I would deem our behaviour inappropriate. Auld Nick 12:40, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

I've started a topic on the Forum re: Photos. Susan^purrrrr 13:54, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Feminine

I just HATE that word! Susan^purrrrr 13:39, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Calm down dear, and what are you still doing in the internet, shouldn't you be in the kitchen using your feminine talents to cook up something for yout husband, who could be home any minute now? You should learn to appriciate how we are equal, but diffrent. Timppeli 14:17, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Timo - it's a good job we're only connected by interwebtubes - you'd be in great danger of having your throat torn out by my pearly white teeth. :) Susan^purrrrr 14:28, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

NYARRRGH!!!. Susan^purrrrr 14:47, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

"...men are ... more emotionally stable..." Apparently so. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 14:55, 9 March 2008 (EDT) _{Please don't kill me :-(.}

Damn my petard! Susan^purrrrr 14:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

If you can't get others to recognise your brilliance, Do It Yourself. --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 15:19, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

'Twas rather strange - Assfly should take note of this subtle method of self promotion. Susan^purrrrr 15:22, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Now, now. You don't have the natural, god given disposition to suggest anything to Assfly. He's a man, he's stronger and more emotionally stable than you. Perhaps you should make him some nice scones? *hides* --Jeєv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 15:26, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

CP definition of Femininity: The quality of being "childlike, gentle, pretty, willowy, submissive."[3] 15:47, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

That's me! Susan^purrrrr 15:49, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but I heard you charge people to for you to behave that way.... ;) Spica 15:56, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

But not extortionately! Susan^purrrrr 15:59, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

When Andy reads us getting at each other like this he rubs his hands. Perhaps he rubs his Aubergine shaped thing too. He thinks what it says in his mythology, "A house that is divided against itself cannot stand"We should be getting the Conservativwe fundies and not each other.Barbara Shack 16:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Further to 'productive Minister's Sons'

I think this comment from the cp Talk page has got to be preserved here for it's supreme lulz factor:

I am happy to finally see coherent logic on a wiki encyclopedia! I believe this 'google search' logic should be applied to other articles as well! For example, a quick google search of "porn" revealed about 220,000,000 webpages, which indicates that "porn" accounts for about 256,709% more worldly accomplishements than "minister's son"s do (which only returns a paltry 85,700 websites). This should be stated explicitly in both articles. I also firmly believe that we need an article for "gay anal porn", because it returns 229,000 responses, indicating 262% more worldly influence than "minister's son"s.--Castoridae 15:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Zmidponk 16:14, 9 March 2008 (EDT)